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ST JAMES' PARK AND LONDON STADIUM RAIDED AS PART OF POLICE INVESTIGATION - SKY SOURCES

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  • also sorry to harp on about my dislike for modern football but this is some sort of fucking joke;

    over a 1/3rd of tickets will be given to non supporters.


    Both clubs won those game in front of about 33,000 of their own fans.
    However in the final the allocation for each club is just 28,000, it was announced yesterday.
    It means 34,000 of the 90,000 seats at Wembley will be reserved for corporate allocations, neutral fans and other non-club related football fans.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/26/arsenal-and-chelsea-fans-allocated-28000-tickets-each-for-fa-cup-final-6597945/#ixzz4fLszKN98
  • Charlton only got 12,500 and the capacity then was bigger
  • clive said:

    180 police involved in the investigation in north-east & the south-east of England also involving the French authorities,believed to involve tax/customs offences.

    Will the police be questioning an out of work man who managed both clubs and liked to sign French players?
    Or a bloke in work currently working in the Croydon/Surrey area.
  • Charlton only got 12,500 and the capacity then was bigger

    Quote oohaah
    "And we were averaging 75,000 then and still struggled to sell out"
  • Redrobo said:

    The football authorities did a lot of work to stamp out PAYE irregularities following the scandals like Swindle, sorry, Swindon and all clubs were warned about future behaviour.

    If found guilty I fully expect them to throw the book at the clubs concerned. 20 point deduction and a huge fine should be the absolute minimum.

    and it should be applied this season, not allow newcastle up to the prem then to come back down.
  • if a points deduction was given to west ham equally it should be this season would more than likely see them relegated, the olympic stadium would look good in the championship
  • edited April 2017
    Tax / NI investigations are long and complex and so are the trials should it get that far.

    I would imagine that should anything get to court, it might well be two years from now before a verdict is given.

    Any punishment by football authorities would be after that.
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  • That's a massive operation, 50 police officers raiding West Ham at 8am. Sounds a bit OTT unless there is something serious there

    It would only be OTT if the police did a full cavity search of the people of interest. Even then there would be few with any sympathy for the pedlars of porn and Tory girl.
  • also sorry to harp on about my dislike for modern football but this is some sort of fucking joke;

    over a 1/3rd of tickets will be given to non supporters.


    Both clubs won those game in front of about 33,000 of their own fans.
    However in the final the allocation for each club is just 28,000, it was announced yesterday.
    It means 34,000 of the 90,000 seats at Wembley will be reserved for corporate allocations, neutral fans and other non-club related football fans.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/26/arsenal-and-chelsea-fans-allocated-28000-tickets-each-for-fa-cup-final-6597945/#ixzz4fLszKN98

    A lot of those 'non-supporters' are the ones that help pay for the stadium 365 days a year, every year. Without them there would be no stadium.
  • also sorry to harp on about my dislike for modern football but this is some sort of fucking joke;

    over a 1/3rd of tickets will be given to non supporters.


    Both clubs won those game in front of about 33,000 of their own fans.
    However in the final the allocation for each club is just 28,000, it was announced yesterday.
    It means 34,000 of the 90,000 seats at Wembley will be reserved for corporate allocations, neutral fans and other non-club related football fans.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/26/arsenal-and-chelsea-fans-allocated-28000-tickets-each-for-fa-cup-final-6597945/#ixzz4fLszKN98

    To my knowledge, the FA cup final has always been like that - for the FA its a show piece event and (in their view) not only for the fans of the two finalists, but also clubs and leagues up and down the land (plus sponsors of course) to get people along to watch

    I went to the famous Liverpool vs Wimbledon final, which Wombledon won (1988 ?), and my ticket was given to me by the London Banks League - all the people sat around me were from amateur leagues up and down the country
  • edited April 2017

    also sorry to harp on about my dislike for modern football but this is some sort of fucking joke;

    over a 1/3rd of tickets will be given to non supporters.


    Both clubs won those game in front of about 33,000 of their own fans.
    However in the final the allocation for each club is just 28,000, it was announced yesterday.
    It means 34,000 of the 90,000 seats at Wembley will be reserved for corporate allocations, neutral fans and other non-club related football fans.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/26/arsenal-and-chelsea-fans-allocated-28000-tickets-each-for-fa-cup-final-6597945/#ixzz4fLszKN98

    To my knowledge, the FA cup final has always been like that - for the FA its a show piece event and (in their view) not only for the fans of the two finalists, but also clubs and leagues up and down the land (plus sponsors of course) to get people along to watch

    I went to the famous Liverpool vs Wimbledon final, which Wombledon won (1988 ?), and my ticket was given to me by the London Banks League - all the people sat around me were from amateur leagues up and down the country

    also sorry to harp on about my dislike for modern football but this is some sort of fucking joke;

    over a 1/3rd of tickets will be given to non supporters.


    Both clubs won those game in front of about 33,000 of their own fans.
    However in the final the allocation for each club is just 28,000, it was announced yesterday.
    It means 34,000 of the 90,000 seats at Wembley will be reserved for corporate allocations, neutral fans and other non-club related football fans.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/26/arsenal-and-chelsea-fans-allocated-28000-tickets-each-for-fa-cup-final-6597945/#ixzz4fLszKN98

    To my knowledge, the FA cup final has always been like that - for the FA its a show piece event and (in their view) not only for the fans of the two finalists, but also clubs and leagues up and down the land (plus sponsors of course) to get people along to watch

    I went to the famous Liverpool vs Wimbledon final, which Wombledon won (1988 ?), and my ticket was given to me by the London Banks League - all the people sat around me were from amateur leagues up and down the country
    FSF have been lobbying the FA to try and change, the massive free ticket giveaway, to the community shield, rather than the FA cup.
  • big story this .. will it involve 'organised crime' and money laundering ? .. I would love to see a few of the dodgy foreign owners banged up for a few years
  • edited April 2017

    That's a massive operation, 50 police officers raiding West Ham at 8am. Sounds a bit OTT unless there is something serious there

    Well, if it takes one person 2 full weeks to count out loud to a million and there are 50 people (let's say 40 doing the counting only) of £10 notes, how long will it take 40 people to count one million pounds...excluding time to collate, sort and remove vacuum packed notes? Not that this is to do with West Ham obviously.
  • It's to do with image rights. This was the story back in December. It seems that it results from this on going investigation

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4024326/amp/Nearly-200-footballers-facing-HMRC-probe-using-image-rights-tax-dodge-cut-bills.html
  • Jayajosh said:

    That's a massive operation, 50 police officers raiding West Ham at 8am. Sounds a bit OTT unless there is something serious there

    Well, if it takes one person 2 full weeks to count out loud to a million and there are 50 people (let's say 40 doing the counting only) of £10 notes, how long will it take 40 people to count one million pounds...excluding time to collate, sort and remove vacuum packed notes? Not that this is to do with West Ham obviously.
    Do we have to show our working out?
  • Final paragraph of this BBC report just now confirms the image rights issue.
    bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39716009
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  • also sorry to harp on about my dislike for modern football but this is some sort of fucking joke;

    over a 1/3rd of tickets will be given to non supporters.


    Both clubs won those game in front of about 33,000 of their own fans.
    However in the final the allocation for each club is just 28,000, it was announced yesterday.
    It means 34,000 of the 90,000 seats at Wembley will be reserved for corporate allocations, neutral fans and other non-club related football fans.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/26/arsenal-and-chelsea-fans-allocated-28000-tickets-each-for-fa-cup-final-6597945/#ixzz4fLszKN98

    A lot of those 'non-supporters' are the ones that help pay for the stadium 365 days a year, every year. Without them there would be no stadium.
    wembley as a stadium must make millions in profit,

    just for example the stone roses gig in june £72.00 for a general admission ticket x 20,000 £55.00 for a seated ticket x 25,000 thats 2.5 mill before hospitality seats and overpriced beers and food are sold.

    thats 1 event, end of the day i just think its bad that you have season ticket holders of both clubs that wont be able to get a ticket i've got a mate who is an arsenal season ticket holder and probably does 5/6 aways a year. and he says he wont have a chance on a ticket.
  • big story this .. will it involve 'organised crime' and money laundering ? .. I would love to see a few of the dodgy foreign owners banged up for a few years

    I think you'll find Gold, Sullivan and Ashley are all British.
    Thanks Einstein .. glad to see you're on the case
  • Ha, fair play to Gold if he really did tweet that. Genius.
  • Boo, its an unverified account, isnt it?! doh
  • also sorry to harp on about my dislike for modern football but this is some sort of fucking joke;

    over a 1/3rd of tickets will be given to non supporters.


    Both clubs won those game in front of about 33,000 of their own fans.
    However in the final the allocation for each club is just 28,000, it was announced yesterday.
    It means 34,000 of the 90,000 seats at Wembley will be reserved for corporate allocations, neutral fans and other non-club related football fans.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/26/arsenal-and-chelsea-fans-allocated-28000-tickets-each-for-fa-cup-final-6597945/#ixzz4fLszKN98

    A lot of those 'non-supporters' are the ones that help pay for the stadium 365 days a year, every year. Without them there would be no stadium.
    I am trying to work out what you mean by this. Do you suggest they are paying because they are taxpayers? Wrong stadium , if so.

  • That's a massive operation, 50 police officers raiding West Ham at 8am. Sounds a bit OTT unless there is something serious there

    Well as we now know it's not the plod but HMRC (presumably the tax side rather than the customs guys). The main reason for going mob-handed is to attempt to secure the evidence. That will mean swamping the Wet Spam offices with investigators to ensure computers are under control and that nothing gets erased, goes walkabout or gets shredded. (I'd also have expected some individual suspects' home addresses to have been raided simultaneously.) Everything from computers, mobile phones, to tablets and laptops to documents need to be safeguarded and safes need to be accessed. The records for the main telephone switchboard might be needed too. I'd expect numbers to dwindle off after the initial hit but for an operation this size I'd think there'd be a fair few "evidence control officers" and everything would have to be videoed to ensure there is no doubt as to the location of each piece of evidence when it was secured. Then the stuff will all have to be carted off and driven away.

    I doubt we'll hear anything further for aeons. Just scanning in the documents will take forever. (Cheque book stubs are always a right bastard.)

    Just as an aside I once investigated a business being run by Colombians and went away happily having seized all their documents.
    Shortly after my team got back to the office we had a visitor from the spooks. He was there on behalf of HMRC who had had the building we visited under full-blown 24/7 surveillance for weeks. They went frantic when someone (me) swanned off with all the evidence! And they'd tailed us back to the City. The bloke from MI5 thought it was hilarious.
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