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The 2017 Summer Transfer Rumours Thread (Deadline Day from page 264)

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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    cafc_harry said:

    Pelling1993 said:

    Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well

    Huddersfield got promoted to the prem on loans. It'll do me.
    This...
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,261
    Pelling1993 said:

    Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well

    Who said anything about basing the team around him?

    Should we send Dasilva back and play Jacko at left back?
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    Bubble said:

    https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/27933/charlton-boss-scouting-arsenal-striker-leyton-orient-tonight-attendance-last-week/

    Really hope that we sign Mavididi but if we do, I hope it's for the season. Karl mentions 6 months in this article, only having him until January would be okay but not ideal.
  • superdulvertonred
    superdulvertonred Posts: 1,138
    He does not mention Tony Watt in list of player's. Could it mean he is off somewhere again.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    cafc_harry said:

    Pelling1993 said:

    Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well

    Huddersfield got promoted to the prem on loans. It'll do me.
    They only had four loanees all season (three if you take into account the fact that Palmer was injured for last parts)... Most of the backbone of that squad was permanent players
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    ForeverAddickted said:

    cafc_harry said:

    Pelling1993 said:

    Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well

    Huddersfield got promoted to the prem on loans. It'll do me.
    They only had four loanees all season (three if you take into account the fact that Palmer was injured for last parts)... Most of the backbone of that squad was permanent players
    True but by far their best player, one of the best in the league is Mooy, loaned him, he bossed the league then they signed him when they could afford it.
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,673
    cafc_harry said:

    Pelling1993 said:

    Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well

    Huddersfield got promoted to the prem on loans. It'll do me.
    Fair enough, find it really hard to get excited about players that are never going to stay with us, Da Silva included he's brilliant and really improves us but we are back to square 1 next season
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Five Huddersfield players on loan last season. One is back there this season (Kasey Palmer) and they've now signed another two of them on permanent deals (Mooy and Kachunga). When was the last time we did that? There's at least some long-term plan in mind with Huddersfield's loans.

    We've not had great history with loanees under this lot. Here's hoping that changes.
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    cafc_harry said:

    Pelling1993 said:

    Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well

    Huddersfield got promoted to the prem on loans. It'll do me.
    Yeah but what does that prove? 12.5% of the teams in that league got promoted. I haven't looked but I bet the 87.5% who didn't get promoted had close to the same number of loan players as Huddersfield. As ever, it's quality and effort that is needed. If you get a Francis Coquelin, then great. If you get a Frank Nouble or a Eggert Jónsson, then not so great.
  • All_Thaid_Up
    All_Thaid_Up Posts: 2,293
    Back in January we needed players. Aribo and Konsa came into the side and KR went over the top in building them up. Roly then didn't (feel the) need to buy anyone else.

    I wonder after the win at the weekend the same may happen again
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  • c4fcdenmark
    c4fcdenmark Posts: 2,041
    https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/27933/charlton-boss-scouting-arsenal-striker-leyton-orient-tonight-attendance-last-week/

    This looks positive, hopefully Arsenal will agree to this and a good squad/first team player addition.
  • TEL
    TEL Posts: 10,100
    Looks like Martin is going elsewhere. Another loan keeper to come in?
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,934
    Frankly bring Reeves in and a keeper and I would be very happy.

    Bring in another attacking threat in response to the Marshall injury and I would be delighted. 6 months seems reasonable for the Arsenal lad as MM should be back by then and we can reevaluate.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Six months surprises me for Mavididi... Why such a short loan for the young man who isnt exactly going to head back to Arsenal and score the goals needed for Europa League glory!!
  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,786
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Six months surprises me for Mavididi... Why such a short loan for the young man who isnt exactly going to head back to Arsenal and score the goals needed for Europa League glory!!

    We won't need to keep him when we get Marshall back from injury. No point in paying his wages when he isn't needed
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Pelling1993 said:

    Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well

    Good player with pace, and a good attitude. He could make all the difference.

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Six months surprises me for Mavididi... Why such a short loan for the young man who isnt exactly going to head back to Arsenal and score the goals needed for Europa League glory!!

    It's possible that he or Arsenal would want to consider their options again in January anyway
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,673
    JamesSeed said:

    Pelling1993 said:

    Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well

    Good player with pace, and a good attitude. He could make all the difference.

    I saw him play twice and I really didn't see what most seem to see in him, was extremely lazy and disinterested when he didn't have the ball, looked good when he got the ball but was extremely greedy and kept losing possession

  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    Pelling1993 said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Pelling1993 said:

    Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well

    Good player with pace, and a good attitude. He could make all the difference.

    I saw him play twice and I really didn't see what most seem to see in him, was extremely lazy and disinterested when he didn't have the ball, looked good when he got the ball but was extremely greedy and kept losing possession

    Then you clearly didn't see him enough to make a judgement. That's why so many clubs are after him.
  • Chrispy51
    Chrispy51 Posts: 472
    Pelling1993 said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Pelling1993 said:

    Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well

    Good player with pace, and a good attitude. He could make all the difference.

    I saw him play twice and I really didn't see what most seem to see in him, was extremely lazy and disinterested when he didn't have the ball, looked good when he got the ball but was extremely greedy and kept losing possession

    He is also young and only played a handful of games at the level. He was finding is feet and trying to prove his worth. If he had stayed fit he would have settled down and hopefully found some rhythm and learned how to play the role in senior football.

    He is clearly a talented footballer, and hopefully if we get him back he will flourish
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  • Addick in SW16
    Addick in SW16 Posts: 1,421
    Would say that he perhaps needs to work on his decision making rather than that he's extremely greedy. He's only a teenager and still learning his trade. Maybe I'm being generous. If he does that though, I think he'll be extremely dangerous in this division.
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,673
    Chrispy51 said:

    Pelling1993 said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Pelling1993 said:

    Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well

    Good player with pace, and a good attitude. He could make all the difference.

    I saw him play twice and I really didn't see what most seem to see in him, was extremely lazy and disinterested when he didn't have the ball, looked good when he got the ball but was extremely greedy and kept losing possession

    He is also young and only played a handful of games at the level. He was finding is feet and trying to prove his worth. If he had stayed fit he would have settled down and hopefully found some rhythm and learned how to play the role in senior football.

    He is clearly a talented footballer, and hopefully if we get him back he will flourish
    Fair enough, i'm not trying to slate a potentially very good player, would just rather get someone in that can help to improve us going forward, if he is just being signed as a back up to cover whilst Marshall is out then that can only be a good thing as it adds depth, if however he is being brought in as a striker i would rather put my faith in players we own rather rely on a player who has never scored a senior goal. Interesting to see different peoples views :smile:
  • CafcWest
    CafcWest Posts: 6,167
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Six months surprises me for Mavididi... Why such a short loan for the young man who isnt exactly going to head back to Arsenal and score the goals needed for Europa League glory!!

    Not 100% sure on this but I think loans can only be season long loans. But, as said previously, if a six month recall is in the pre-agreement then he can go back in January or whenever the player and both clubs mutually agree.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    cafc-west said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Six months surprises me for Mavididi... Why such a short loan for the young man who isnt exactly going to head back to Arsenal and score the goals needed for Europa League glory!!

    Not 100% sure on this but I think loans can only be season long loans. But, as said previously, if a six month recall is in the pre-agreement then he can go back in January or whenever the player and both clubs mutually agree.
    Unless its different in January you can definitely have half-season loans as we originally signed Mavididi on one
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    edited August 2017
    cafc-west said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Six months surprises me for Mavididi... Why such a short loan for the young man who isnt exactly going to head back to Arsenal and score the goals needed for Europa League glory!!

    Not 100% sure on this but I think loans can only be season long loans. But, as said previously, if a six month recall is in the pre-agreement then he can go back in January or whenever the player and both clubs mutually agree.
    No that's not the case at all, you can do a 6 month loan fine.

    It's just the case with emergency loans being scrapped that teams tend to do year long with a January option to cancel for both teams
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Mavididi is going to be mustard. A lot of clubs want him, Wenger knows he's got a vast amount of potential and anyone who has seen him play would say the same. Given a run in the team I think you might be pleasantly surprised. I really hope we can get him and I really hope he comes good. He is like Thierry Henry was at the start...young and raw. He turned out half decent. He also mixed it up between being a winger and a striker
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    killerandflash said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Six months surprises me for Mavididi... Why such a short loan for the young man who isnt exactly going to head back to Arsenal and score the goals needed for Europa League glory!!

    It's possible that he or Arsenal would want to consider their options again in January anyway
    This. It may be after a few months on loan in league One he's ready for a step up. The bits I saw of him he looked very talented. Adding him and Reeves would mean nothing short of top 2 should be expected. At that point we'd have a very, very good squad fo this level.
  • matt88
    matt88 Posts: 465
    SDAddick said:

    killerandflash said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Six months surprises me for Mavididi... Why such a short loan for the young man who isnt exactly going to head back to Arsenal and score the goals needed for Europa League glory!!

    It's possible that he or Arsenal would want to consider their options again in January anyway
    This. It may be after a few months on loan in league One he's ready for a step up. The bits I saw of him he looked very talented. Adding him and Reeves would mean nothing short of top 2 should be expected. At that point we'd have a very, very good squad fo this level.
    Not sure I share these levels of optimism... the majority of the current squad came close to giving us our lowest league finish in 90 years last season.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    The Red Robin said:

    Swisdom said:

    Mavididi is going to be mustard. A lot of clubs want him, Wenger knows he's got a vast amount of potential and anyone who has seen him play would say the same. Given a run in the team I think you might be pleasantly surprised. I really hope we can get him and I really hope he comes good. He is like Thierry Henry was at the start...young and raw. He turned out half decent. He also mixed it up between being a winger and a striker

    Can't wait to have Ronaldo and Henry upfront this season.
    That's just a cheap shot

    That said Billy Clarke bears more than a passing resemblance to Leo Messi...

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