Anyway following the derailment of this thread by the weirdo, unhealthy veggies, ill bring it back on track with this great piece by Jim Jeffries, watch till the end.
Hey Seth, seriously, I dont eat half the amount of meat that I used to, I eat more fish, but there is no way I could go full veggie, so fair play to all non meat eaters but I just cant.
There's no such thing as 'blood sport'. It's just sadism. Inadequate people trying to prove how tough they are by taking it out on defenceless creatures.
Or hunting
IMO hunting for food is absolutely fine. We've all got to eat. Hunting for the pleasure of killing is pathetic.
Just as some human psychopaths kill people for pleasure there are no doubt hunters who kill animals for pleasure, but most get pleasure from the stalking and the hunting. You might argue about us being "civilised" and should not have any hunting instincts, but our warring instinct have not diminished with becoming "civilised" have they. We accept it is a human trait that we are inclined to bomb, poison, shoot and gas people in their thousands, but believe that killing an animal for food, or even milking it, even if it suffers no pain or distress, is cruel and must therefore be perpetrated by psychopaths, sadists, inadequate people for the pleasure of killing .
I suggest it is normal for us not to enjoy killing animals and requires a de-sensitisation which our forebears would have acquired naturally by necessity, and which hunters acquire by choice. I catch trout for the table and have never enjoyed dispatching a fish, it requires a natural aversion to be overcome. Farmers send their animals to slaughter but they do not raise livestock for the pleasure of killing them. Why do hunters not just put foxes in a fenced field and let the dogs on them so they can see them being torn to shreds, makes more sense than having to chase the critters all over the countryside on a bloody horse and catch one if they're lucky and then not even see the kill.
If people with more money than they know what to do with, want to pay to exercise their skills in hunting and shooting and shoot game that is going to be killed anyway for conservation, we have no more right to accuse them of enjoying killing than accusing me of fishing for trout because I enjoy killing them. Once you accept it is a lie to accuse hunters of enjoying killing the central justification for anti hunting crumbles, which is presumably why it is compulsory to add "blood thirsty" before any description of hunting, plus "defenceless" and "innocent" before animals. I assume a guilty animal carrying a stick is fair game.
The hunter takes away the head for a trophy and the meat is used to feed the local population. The collection of trophies is no different from collecting football programmes except there is more skill involved in hunting stalking and shooting a wild animal than buying stuff on eBay.
If legal game shooting and trophy hunting is disrupted by the anti hunt fanatics what would be achieved?
Did an animal live as result - no Will animal conservation benefit - no Did money go to support a poor community - no Did it supply food for a poor community - no Will all hunting stop - no Will illegal hunting flourish - probably
Will anti hunting activists get their rocks off in the process - Yes, its why they do it, it's a hobby for the pleasure of bagging the trophy of a disrupted hunt. The negative outcome for wildlife and conservation is not important. There's not much difference in the pleasure hunters get, and hunters of hunters get, when all's said and done. The difference is that hunt saboteurs think their prey deserves to be dead.
Just like this confused dentist who lived in Minnesota, but accidentally flew a few thousand miles to Zimbabwe to kill a lion over 24 hour period.
I take your point dipps but this is to me sums up the big game hunt mentality, and I for one would like to see this fella and everyone else like him, dropped into a safari park for a day with a few of Cecil's relatives, minus their toys of course
I don't get the big hunt mentality either, but it doesn't mean i have any reason or evidence to think hunters enjoy killing as opposed to enjoy hunting or acting the Billy big bollox with a lions head on the wall of the mansion.
Don't have problem with people disagreeing with me, but instead of calling me names it would be more interesting if they explained why I am talking bollox to suggest that they don't have the ability to mind read.
All I have suggested is that there is a possibility that most hunters are not blood thirsty and are satisfying an innate hunting instinct that lurks within us all. Can't deny that some people are blood thirsty though, it's OK just as long as they don't take it out on animals.
Anyway following the derailment of this thread by the weirdo, unhealthy veggies, ill bring it back on track with this great piece by Jim Jeffries, watch till the end.
Hey Seth, seriously, I dont eat half the amount of meat that I used to, I eat more fish, but there is no way I could go full veggie, so fair play to all non meat eaters but I just cant.
I am coming up to 30 years now. The smell of cooking pig (bacon) still sparks off a nice vibe in me, and I dream about Cod and Chips and tinned salmon sandwiches made the Seth way. However I would not consciously eat meat or fish again even if the deal was 'eat a bacon sandwich and Charlton get promoted' Sorry that is simply how I personally feel and I doubt it would change, unless I was stranded in a jungle or something and blinded by hunger.
Anyway following the derailment of this thread by the weirdo, unhealthy veggies, ill bring it back on track with this great piece by Jim Jeffries, watch till the end.
Hey Seth, seriously, I dont eat half the amount of meat that I used to, I eat more fish, but there is no way I could go full veggie, so fair play to all non meat eaters but I just cant.
I am coming up to 30 years now. The smell of cooking pig (bacon) still sparks off a nice vibe in me, and I dream about Cod and Chips and tinned salmon sandwiches made the Seth way. However I would not consciously eat meat or fish again even if the deal was 'eat a bacon sandwich and Charlton get promoted' Sorry that is simply how I personally feel and I doubt it would change, unless I was stranded in a jungle or something and blinded by hunger.
What if it was, eat a bacon sandwich and RD sells tomorrow to a billionaire Charlton fan who just wants to spend his fortune on getting the club back to the prem?
For one bacon butty. One. Come on Seth, why are you doing this to us??
Anyway following the derailment of this thread by the weirdo, unhealthy veggies, ill bring it back on track with this great piece by Jim Jeffries, watch till the end.
Hey Seth, seriously, I dont eat half the amount of meat that I used to, I eat more fish, but there is no way I could go full veggie, so fair play to all non meat eaters but I just cant.
I am coming up to 30 years now. The smell of cooking pig (bacon) still sparks off a nice vibe in me, and I dream about Cod and Chips and tinned salmon sandwiches made the Seth way. However I would not consciously eat meat or fish again even if the deal was 'eat a bacon sandwich and Charlton get promoted' Sorry that is simply how I personally feel and I doubt it would change, unless I was stranded in a jungle or something and blinded by hunger.
What if it was, eat a bacon sandwich and RD sells tomorrow to a billionaire Charlton fan who just wants to spend his fortune on getting the club back to the prem?
For one bacon butty. One. Come on Seth, why are you doing this to us??
I would spend an evening in Dipps company if that were guaranteed to happen.
I have met Dipps a couple of times and he is a good bloke in my opinion. I simply disagree with him, but we could spend a decent evening talking about the Olympic Stadium fiasco, and talking football and it would be most enjoyable.
If what Dippenhall said had any truth to it, why are hunters not content with riding their horses chasing a scent laid by a human as they can do now and have been able to do since the fox hunting ban? I am not saying the actual kill is all of it, but it is a significant part of it. Honesty is required here!
Conservation of the countryside my arse. They love the dressing up in red and galloping about lording it.
Funny when I'm driving through the shires I never see people dressed in red coats and white breeches layering hedgerows or digging drainage ditches. Too busy hob knobbing and quaffing sherry.
Anyway following the derailment of this thread by the weirdo, unhealthy veggies, ill bring it back on track with this great piece by Jim Jeffries, watch till the end.
I have met Dipps a couple of times and he is a good bloke in my opinion. I simply disagree with him, but we could spend a decent evening talking about the Olympic Stadium fiasco, and talking football and it would be most enjoyable.
I also had the pleasure of meeting him at the upbeats walk and concur
Anyway following the derailment of this thread by the weirdo, unhealthy veggies, ill bring it back on track with this great piece by Jim Jeffries, watch till the end.
I don't eat meat or fish, so not essential for me.
Because humans are omnivores.
But you know that, it's just that like all pasty faced, unhealthy veggie weirdos you have to tell everyone!
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It still doesn't mean we HAVE to eat flesh, like you imply.
How is being a veggie unhealthy, nor am I choosing to tell everyone, other than to make a point that we don't need to eat meat. Does it make you feel guilty, that you still have a blood lust?
Millions of people get by without eating animals. Choosing to kill and eat another living creature, is more weird that being a veggie.
No, it's not.
That is how we have evolved. It is natural to eat meat. Depriving yourself of a food source is weird.
Evolution is an on-going process. The rejection of animal flesh might be a part of that process. The British used to put children up chimneys. We don't do that now. I've been a vegan for 20 years. Best thing I ever did. I don't feel deprived. There's plenty of lovely foods to eat.
Are you trying to tell me you ain't eaten a bit of bacon for 20 years? Impossible
Stop being a tit Ibborg
Why are veggies and vegans off limits for a little bit of banter now then?
I don't eat meat or fish, so not essential for me.
Because humans are omnivores.
But you know that, it's just that like all pasty faced, unhealthy veggie weirdos you have to tell everyone!
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It still doesn't mean we HAVE to eat flesh, like you imply.
How is being a veggie unhealthy, nor am I choosing to tell everyone, other than to make a point that we don't need to eat meat. Does it make you feel guilty, that you still have a blood lust?
Millions of people get by without eating animals. Choosing to kill and eat another living creature, is more weird that being a veggie.
No, it's not.
That is how we have evolved. It is natural to eat meat. Depriving yourself of a food source is weird.
Evolution is an on-going process. The rejection of animal flesh might be a part of that process. The British used to put children up chimneys. We don't do that now. I've been a vegan for 20 years. Best thing I ever did. I don't feel deprived. There's plenty of lovely foods to eat.
Are you trying to tell me you ain't eaten a bit of bacon for 20 years? Impossible
Stop being a tit Ibborg
Why are veggies and vegans off limits for a little bit of banter now then?
It might be because your username is too much like Iceberg.......
Anyway following the derailment of this thread by the weirdo, unhealthy veggies, ill bring it back on track with this great piece by Jim Jeffries, watch till the end.
So, what we're now saying is, us carnivorous should stop hunting and harvesting (culling) wild animals and leave "nature" to do it's job by letting "natural" predators (other carnivors) take care of things?
So, what we're now saying is, us carnivorous should stop hunting and harvesting (culling) wild animals and leave "nature" to do it's job by letting "natural" predators (other carnivors) take care of things?
So, what we're now saying is, us carnivorous should stop hunting and harvesting (culling) wild animals and leave "nature" to do it's job by letting "natural" predators (other carnivors) take care of things?
Well they seemed to be doing a good job of it, until man came along and fucked things up.
Kroenke has bowed to opposition from animal advocates and has told his TV company to remove all bloodsports material.
Comedian Ricky Gervais, presenters Rachel Riley and Robert Peston and Olymic gold medallist Greg Rutherford all spoke out against the coverage. Former England cricketer Kevin Pietersen spoke to The Independent to call on Arsenal fans to do all they can to force Mr Kroenke out of the club
“I find it sickening that anyone could want to endanger these animals whatsoever, but for someone to turn it into a TV show for entertainment absolutely boils my blood,” Pietersen told The Independent. “The guy, and those who contribute and support those practices, are scum".
I'm pitching this idea to channel five: football club billionaires armed with shooting sticks fighting to the death against east end chavs armed with acid.
So, what we're now saying is, us carnivorous should stop hunting and harvesting (culling) wild animals and leave "nature" to do it's job by letting "natural" predators (other carnivors) take care of things?
We can't save the planet. You know why? Cos it's not ours to save. We will affect it, and we will affect the life forms on it in a way that no other life form has, as far as we can tell, in the billions of years the planet has existed.
All we an do is try and bend it to our will to sustain us for as long as possible. Thing is, to do that, we have to fuck up the habitats for millions of other creatures. What we've achieved in less than 0.000001% of this planet's existence is astonishing.
As a result of the disease that is mankind we now have to cull animals to maintain some degree of status quo. We do this for reasons as abstract as money, we do this for comfort and well-being. What we don't do, is destroy life for the sake of being a carnivore.
We have conscious thought, which means we should be capable of a lot more than "we are carnivores so we do as we please". And for as long as we do have that attitude, we will continue to fail in our quest to keep this place sustainable. It's not your problem, and probably never will be.
But maybe your kids, and definitely your grandkids, are proper fucked.
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Don't have problem with people disagreeing with me, but instead of calling me names it would be more interesting if they explained why I am talking bollox to suggest that they don't have the ability to mind read.
All I have suggested is that there is a possibility that most hunters are not blood thirsty and are satisfying an innate hunting instinct that lurks within us all. Can't deny that some people are blood thirsty though, it's OK just as long as they don't take it out on animals.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11375745/Watch-Huntmaster-attacked-with-iron-bars-by-masked-saboteurs.html
However I would not consciously eat meat or fish again even if the deal was 'eat a bacon sandwich and Charlton get promoted'
Sorry that is simply how I personally feel and I doubt it would change, unless I was stranded in a jungle or something and blinded by hunger.
For one bacon butty. One. Come on Seth, why are you doing this to us??
Now that's sacrifice...
Steady on backwards Martin.......all that aggression, what you need is a good ole steak.
thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/203/891/323/?z00m=29362760&redirectID=2460116652
Comedian Ricky Gervais, presenters Rachel Riley and Robert Peston and Olymic gold medallist Greg Rutherford all spoke out against the coverage. Former England cricketer Kevin Pietersen spoke to The Independent to call on Arsenal fans to do all they can to force Mr Kroenke out of the club
“I find it sickening that anyone could want to endanger these animals whatsoever, but for someone to turn it into a TV show for entertainment absolutely boils my blood,” Pietersen told The Independent. “The guy, and those who contribute and support those practices, are scum".
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/stan-kroenke-arsenal-owner-hunting-tv-channel-bloodsports-remove-content-petition-trophy-killing-a7876336.html
All we an do is try and bend it to our will to sustain us for as long as possible. Thing is, to do that, we have to fuck up the habitats for millions of other creatures. What we've achieved in less than 0.000001% of this planet's existence is astonishing.
As a result of the disease that is mankind we now have to cull animals to maintain some degree of status quo. We do this for reasons as abstract as money, we do this for comfort and well-being. What we don't do, is destroy life for the sake of being a carnivore.
We have conscious thought, which means we should be capable of a lot more than "we are carnivores so we do as we please". And for as long as we do have that attitude, we will continue to fail in our quest to keep this place sustainable. It's not your problem, and probably never will be.
But maybe your kids, and definitely your grandkids, are proper fucked.