If mate 1 has paid and then decided he isn't going, its not up to anyone but him what happens to that place. Mate 2 is taking the p*ss if he thinks he can take his place on the cheap. If I was mate 2, I would be offering the cost of the place less the cancellation/change name fee.
@AFKABartram - mate 2 sounds like he's in a similar situation to one of our old friends, who would do any dare for a few drinks in Gran Canaria!
I can now see why your a Spud.........totally upside down logic. Mate1 booked a holiday & now doesn't want to go. Its too late to get a refund so he's lost his money - pure & simple. Mate 2 isn't taking money off anyone. In fact, he's helping out the other mates who are already going & had faced being a man down on the holiday. All mate 2 has to do is pay for the admin fee to change the ticket. If mate 1 has a problem with it then he can still go - but he doesn't - so he has no leg to stand on (ala Dudley Moore)
Hmmmm, still not convinced but yes, my logic is usually upside down
Not in this situation JB. I agree with you.
If Mate 1 has paid for the holiday it is his. He can do what he wants with it. If he had rented a house and moved out with a month left and had paid the rent mate 2 can't just move into his house for a month, rent free can he?
I get the logic that he accepts that if the seat is empty he loses his money but if someone else goes he should pay for it. Asking for less than half sounds outrageously fair to me.
Having said that if it were me and I'd dropped out I would be grateful for anything I could get and if a mate couldn't afford to go I might agree for him to go for nothing but if it was someone that I didn't know then I would be disappointed if he thought he could go and spend, presumably, hundreds on food and drink while there yet pay me nothing for 'my holiday'.
PWR - why don't all the other pals split the cost between you and refund the £150 to the non runner. Even if you have to do it over the coming months instead of right away.
PWR - why don't all the other pals split the cost between you and refund the £150 to the non runner. Even if you have to do it over the coming months instead of right away.
Why should we pay extra? even if i feel its right that seems the nut worse scenario , person who should go to pay or noone
If I was mate not going and out of pocket I would rather holiday was used than not and accept that I may not get anything for it because all those who may have paid can't go , knowing you've given a friend who wouldn't have had the chance a holiday is the payback.
If I was the mate getting the cheap holiday I'd be overly grateful to other fella , explain my situation and say if things personally improve financially I'd like to pay him back even if it took years .
If I was you Johnny I'd get a new set of mates fucking tight miserable c***s acting like birds on a night out , oh I didn't have a starter and only had one glass of wine , she had 3 glasses , starter and dessert , bore off and split it evenly and another time you'll be the right side of it .
Disclaimer * obviously financial constraints may prove restrictive to some*
If I was the replacement chap and I couldn't afford to go in the first place, I wouldn't have the front to jump on the other blokes misfortune and if I was the one who was pulling out, I wouldn't have the bollocks to flag it up causing all this aggro.
Posting without reading the whole thread so apologies if someone has already suggested this. Tell those that have dropped out that nobody is taking up their tickets. Get the new guy's name added to the party for one of the spare places and if anybody asks just say he booked a last minute package holiday and tagged along with you.
I think it only right that the person who is now going should make some contribution to the original cost.
Disagree... If the geezer is saying he'd rather am empty seat go he is an absolute fist. It should be a buy me a few drinks next time we are out jobbie... But at the end of the day, it's only 150 notes, just chip in a bullseye each and be done with it if the fella can't afford it
If I was the replacement chap and I couldn't afford to go in the first place, I wouldn't have the front to jump on the other blokes misfortune and if I was the one who was pulling out, I wouldn't have the bollocks to flag it up causing all this aggro.
Just show's the price of some folks soul.
Johnny (or Bev), get some new friends mucker
These are probably my main group of friends, i have a few circles and great friends as are all of these. Just a one off incident which is all a bit bizarre really. We will work it out, its just all gone a bit OTT.
What has happened to today's youth? What about the fact he has let his mates down by not going? Fuck him. Let the other bloke have a free bee and make sure he remembers it for the rest of his life what a good time you had. Your group will be better friends after the holiday and ditch the prick for missing out on the time of his youthful life. Better still, take him out on the free bees expense and wipe your cock around every pint you buy him.
If I was the replacement chap and I couldn't afford to go in the first place, I wouldn't have the front to jump on the other blokes misfortune and if I was the one who was pulling out, I wouldn't have the bollocks to flag it up causing all this aggro.
Just show's the price of some folks soul.
Johnny (or Bev), get some new friends mucker
It wasn't mate 1's "misfortune" that he couldn't go, but he decided last minute that he didn't want to (something to do with a new job & not being late........very lame excuse imo) after agreeing in the first place.
As for the rental scenarios earlier - if you've paid for 6 months rent but left after 5 months then I can't see why someone else shouldn't get the free month's rent. Your choice you left early & unless there is an early release clause you know you are "out of pocket"
On a similar note, I booked a night in a Travelodge on the Friday evening before our holiday down here in Devon, so that I could break up the driving (only me driving) & also that we didn't have to get up super early on the sat & sit in traffic. In the end we did very good time & was near the Travelodge at 9pm. I had already spoken to the owner of the cottage we were staying in for the week & he told me that the previous holidayer's had already left & the cottage was ready for use. I decided to cheekily ring him & see if we could arrive that night & take up occupancy early - he agreed. We therefore didn't stay at the Travelodge (a cost of around £85) and as it was on a non-cancellable policy I lost my £85. Should I ask the cottage owner to reimburse me ??? Of course not. I knew I couldn't get my money back so took the hit.
First guy shouldn't really expect anything, guy going should really give him something even if its at a later date. 1st guy who has anxiety problems should probably avoid going to the small claims court as there's a good chance his anxiety will increase because of it. You and other two mates should just crack on enjoy the sight seeing, shagging brasses, pulling birds, taking drugs....or whatever you want from your holiday. simples!!!
So me and 3 mates have booked a holiday, this was booked probably around 3 weeks ago. One of my mates dropped out on Monday, messaged us he couldn't go for personal reasons (main factor being he was starting a new job the following week from our holiday and didn't want us to be late/ was causing him anxiety as he has alot of issues at the moment. Enlight of this we obviously tried to get him to go but he stuck by his decision and said he couldn't go as he wouldn't enjoy it, he did say i accept i have lost the money. Ok so after this we got someone from the same group (there are 6 of us in this group of friends who are very close and have been probably 10 years +) on board, however in doing so this was within 2 weeks of us going. This other friend at the time of the holiday being booked was pretty clear he might not be able to afford it, however now that its effectively an empty seat and we just need to pay admin fee he was sold. I called my mate who couldn't go right away, i said look are you 100% sure you cant go and its not just a rash decision on his part, he confirmed he didn't want to go and he wouldn't change his mind. So i have told him that we are looking to change to my other mates name, i did present it that he didn't really have any chance to call any shots, he did say is he going to contribute? i replied unlikely but maybe well all buy him a few drinks when we go out next weekend.
After this i then got a text probably 30mins/half hour later, saying he felt this was taking the mick and he feels the other person should pay towards this holiday, his argument is he is happy for us to go with an empty seat but if someone is going instead they should pay. I do feel this is reasonable on his part, but enlight of the last minute cancellation and for us to replace him at short notice, my friend and any others would have to have the money to change the name (circa £100) also spending money £400-500, had to buy passport etc. So which he feels he has effectively bought a holiday for someone, in our eyes the people who are going he was always going to lose the money and its just fortunate for the other guy he can now go.
The problem is we have hit a big crossroads, with other friends getting involved because of he is in a bad place. I do feel if it was me personally who would have taken the holiday, yes i would have offered some towards it. But again i dont think the person who has replaced him is in a position to even offer a small portion eg. £50-150, however the person who dropped out is insisting he pays him £150, although he accepts he will lose the money if my other mate dont go. The other one is now saying he might not bother because the grief he is getting even though we are all on his side of the coin.
In summary this is a S*** situation for my friend who has had to cancel last minute, ideally if we could subsidise him we would although this should be down to the individual to make that decision, the person who already accepted losing out should not demand money (in my opinion) but if they do get anything would be a bonus as they had lost out regardless, due to the last minute we didn't really have much leeway on getting other people on board and part of the same group of friends.
We did discuss in a group alot yesterday which original mate was in but he couldn't take it, although we were all just putting our points across with mutual friends to mediate and try and get this mess sorted. At present it might be we end up all not as good friends or even not at all at this rate.
The thing is we have all sort of agreed to disagree, although mate has threatened to go to small claims court to recover some money ( not likely imo). The easy option would be for other mate to pay up but i dont feel we should be forcing him or getting him in a position so he wont go, we have already paid admin charge.
Just interested on peoples thoughts really, we aren't going to get a solution that suits all or even a compromise but i would like people on heres opinions as they are normally good...
What has happened to today's youth? What about the fact he has let his mates down by not going? Fuck him. Let the other bloke have a free bee and make sure he remembers it for the rest of his life what a good time you had. Your group will be better friends after the holiday and ditch the prick for missing out on the time of his youthful life. Better still, take him out on the free bees expense and wipe your cock around every pint you buy him.
Wouldn't have done it in our day eh mate and our Chara bang trips to Blackpool. If you said you were going, you were going,,,, no ifs, no buts....
The small claims court is irrelevant here. It would never get that far and isn't it for claims between 1000-10000 anyway.
Fella 2 has done nothing to fella 1 so that is all bluster. Fella 1 is reneging on his contract with the holiday company. Fella 2 is entering into a different contact in that he is paying X amount to have his name put on the docs.
Fella 1 sounds like he would put a downer on the holiday so consider it a close escape.
Mate 1 is upset about not going which he may not have fully explained the reasons, but seeing as he forked out there were probably good reasons and he wanted to go. It probably feels like mate 2 is dancing on his grave a bit which has peed him off. Lots of ways it could have been sorted out better between mates 1 and 2. And mate 2 has the spending money etc... but can't slip or offer mate 1 a few quid - which had he offered upfront, mate 1 might not even have accepted.
I was in a similar situation a few years ago in that I took someone's place by paying the admin fee. I was happy to share the cost of the holiday of the others going, but they wouldn't let me! I could afford to pay and felt massively guilty they wouldn't let me. I tried to pay for as much on the holiday as possible to make up for it to share the costs more evenly, including paying for as much as everyone could eat and drink one evening. Amazing looking back they all said I didn't need to pay when I thought I should!
I was in a similar situation a few years ago in that I took someone's place by paying the admin fee. I was happy to share the cost of the holiday of the others going, but they wouldn't let me! I could afford to pay and felt massively guilty they wouldn't let me. I tried to pay for as much on the holiday as possible to make up for it to share the costs more evenly, including paying for as much as everyone could eat and drink one evening. Amazing looking back they all said I didn't need to pay when I thought I should!
by the sound of your username I'm assuming your female............these are blokes remember.
I was in a similar situation a few years ago in that I took someone's place by paying the admin fee. I was happy to share the cost of the holiday of the others going, but they wouldn't let me! I could afford to pay and felt massively guilty they wouldn't let me. I tried to pay for as much on the holiday as possible to make up for it to share the costs more evenly, including paying for as much as everyone could eat and drink one evening. Amazing looking back they all said I didn't need to pay when I thought I should!
by the sound of your username I'm assuming your female............these are blokes remember.
Does that really make a difference? I don't necessarily agree with the guy who cant go, but the guy taking his place is taking the piss! Especially when the others he's going with have paid full whack. I guess it depends on everyone's circumstances and how close everyone is. As can think of exceptions amongst friends
Its amazing what different views people have on something that seems straight forward to me. That is first bloke pulled out of holiday therefore his opinion is no longer valid. What you do now is not his concern.
I am sure everybody else sees it as straight forward, but different from me, as well.
I was in a similar situation a few years ago in that I took someone's place by paying the admin fee. I was happy to share the cost of the holiday of the others going, but they wouldn't let me! I could afford to pay and felt massively guilty they wouldn't let me. I tried to pay for as much on the holiday as possible to make up for it to share the costs more evenly, including paying for as much as everyone could eat and drink one evening. Amazing looking back they all said I didn't need to pay when I thought I should!
by the sound of your username I'm assuming your female............these are blokes remember.
Does that really make a difference? I don't necessarily agree with the guy who cant go, but the guy taking his place is taking the piss! Especially when the others he's going with have paid full whack. I guess it depends on everyone's circumstances and how close everyone is. As can think of exceptions amongst friends
Why is he taking the piss?
Not as if the first person pulled out due to a death in the family. He has said he doesn't want to be tired for work and was ok writing off the money and letting down his mates.
Then someone who couldn't afford the cost of the original holiday was offered a chance to pay a smaller amount for an admin change and be able to go. Most people would be pleased for the lad.
I was in a similar situation a few years ago in that I took someone's place by paying the admin fee. I was happy to share the cost of the holiday of the others going, but they wouldn't let me! I could afford to pay and felt massively guilty they wouldn't let me. I tried to pay for as much on the holiday as possible to make up for it to share the costs more evenly, including paying for as much as everyone could eat and drink one evening. Amazing looking back they all said I didn't need to pay when I thought I should!
by the sound of your username I'm assuming your female............these are blokes remember.
Does that really make a difference? I don't necessarily agree with the guy who cant go, but the guy taking his place is taking the piss! Especially when the others he's going with have paid full whack. I guess it depends on everyone's circumstances and how close everyone is. As can think of exceptions amongst friends
the "being a female" comment was meant in a jokey way, ie - women are more thoughtful & will want to do the best for the group - men aren't like that & will probably think of themselves first.
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If Mate 1 has paid for the holiday it is his. He can do what he wants with it. If he had rented a house and moved out with a month left and had paid the rent mate 2 can't just move into his house for a month, rent free can he?
I get the logic that he accepts that if the seat is empty he loses his money but if someone else goes he should pay for it. Asking for less than half sounds outrageously fair to me.
Having said that if it were me and I'd dropped out I would be grateful for anything I could get and if a mate couldn't afford to go I might agree for him to go for nothing but if it was someone that I didn't know then I would be disappointed if he thought he could go and spend, presumably, hundreds on food and drink while there yet pay me nothing for 'my holiday'.
Even if you have to do it over the coming months instead of right away.
If I was the mate getting the cheap holiday I'd be overly grateful to other fella , explain my situation and say if things personally improve financially I'd like to pay him back even if it took years .
If I was you Johnny I'd get a new set of mates fucking tight miserable c***s acting like birds on a night out , oh I didn't have a starter and only had one glass of wine , she had 3 glasses , starter and dessert , bore off and split it evenly and another time you'll be the right side of it .
Disclaimer * obviously financial constraints may prove restrictive to some*
Just show's the price of some folks soul.
Johnny (or Bev), get some new friends mucker
What about the fact he has let his mates down by not going?
Fuck him.
Let the other bloke have a free bee and make sure he remembers it for the rest of his life what a good time you had.
Your group will be better friends after the holiday and ditch the prick for missing out on the time of his youthful life.
Better still, take him out on the free bees expense and wipe your cock around every pint you buy him.
As for the rental scenarios earlier - if you've paid for 6 months rent but left after 5 months then I can't see why someone else shouldn't get the free month's rent. Your choice you left early & unless there is an early release clause you know you are "out of pocket"
On a similar note, I booked a night in a Travelodge on the Friday evening before our holiday down here in Devon, so that I could break up the driving (only me driving) & also that we didn't have to get up super early on the sat & sit in traffic. In the end we did very good time & was near the Travelodge at 9pm. I had already spoken to the owner of the cottage we were staying in for the week & he told me that the previous holidayer's had already left & the cottage was ready for use. I decided to cheekily ring him & see if we could arrive that night & take up occupancy early - he agreed. We therefore didn't stay at the Travelodge (a cost of around £85) and as it was on a non-cancellable policy I lost my £85. Should I ask the cottage owner to reimburse me ??? Of course not. I knew I couldn't get my money back so took the hit.
Are you back yet?
Fella 2 has done nothing to fella 1 so that is all bluster. Fella 1 is reneging on his contract with the holiday company. Fella 2 is entering into a different contact in that he is paying X amount to have his name put on the docs.
Fella 1 sounds like he would put a downer on the holiday so consider it a close escape.
I think mate 2 is the biggest culprit here.
I am sure everybody else sees it as straight forward, but different from me, as well.
Not as if the first person pulled out due to a death in the family. He has said he doesn't want to be tired for work and was ok writing off the money and letting down his mates.
Then someone who couldn't afford the cost of the original holiday was offered a chance to pay a smaller amount for an admin change and be able to go. Most people would be pleased for the lad.