I'd hate to be playing full back in our current formation, which I was quite familiar with in my youth at a reasonable level. You are on a hiding to nothing with often no immediate cover in front of you that a 4-4-2 provides.
It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
SDA three big guys at the back would give us better cover in the air, allow wing backs to defend further forward and allow one CB to come across to cover yet have two still in the middle. Harder to press all outlets.Two up top gives the come deep or over the top option, but despite being under the cosh for long periods in half our matches against physical opponents, yet it hasn't been looked at, nor was it tried at all last season despite having riches at CB. Many other clubs are starting with this format. 4-4-2 may be an alternative but not the only one. We have no plan B as many are saying.
SDA three big guys at the back would give us better cover in the air, allow wing backs to defend further forward and allow one CB to come across to cover yet have two still in the middle. Harder to press all outlets.Two up top gives the come deep or over the top option, but despite being under the cosh for long periods in half our matches against physical opponents, yet it hasn't been looked at, nor was it tried at all last season despite having riches at CB. Many other clubs are starting with this format. 4-4-2 may be an alternative but not the only one. We have no plan B as many are saying.
Yes, with a "much improved" Sarr in the squad (according to those who've seen him) 3 at the back would be a decent option surely
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
I agree; I think it's ridiculous how someone can come on here after a 3-0 loss and criticise supporters for expressing their concern at the result, or accuse people of going into meltdown after a few comments saying we didn't play well. Maybe you should take a little break from the 3-0 loss thread if you can't fathom people not being happy with losing badly.
The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B Facts are in a season you take the highs with the lows, We got beat by a good team, accept it, don't start having a go at players after one bad result, and as for the Gobby remarks more like playground stuff.
You seem to have a grievance with some very specific people by your posts. Maybe you just shouldn't take people's posts so personally. I think it is true that we have no plan B; we play a very specific way and if teams pressure us on the ball to break up our neat passing, get a bit cynical to disrupt the rhythm and double up on Holmes to stop him being able to drag us forward then we can be very pedestrian. Robinson is very keen on his way of playing and he doesn't like to change. The point there is that you can play stunning football 50 games in a row, but if a team figures how you are playing on the 51st game then you have to adapt, and Robinson hasn't shown that he's able to do that. It's a valid criticism. I don't really see why it's upset you so much. Cheer up.
I seem to a grievance with some very specific people by my posts??? Really ??? Who would they be and what posts ?? It's called an opinion and the fact that I don't agree with people's posts doesn't make it a grievance. Holmes is a key player but Clarke and JFC have been instrumental in setting up attacks as has the defence working as a unit. Robinson what hitting Josh second half rather than working the wings, unfortunately we didn't the second ball, that's football. I think anyone that knows me will vouch it takes a late to upset me and how you can tell over a post is even more bizarre.
I'd hate to be playing full back in our current formation, which I was quite familiar with in my youth at a reasonable level. You are on a hiding to nothing with often no immediate cover in front of you that a 4-4-2 provides.
It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
When we defend it looks more like a 4-5-1 with the 3 all dropping deeper, 4-2-3-1 is really just a name.
I don't us to be as defensively solid as our sides under Powell, Slade or Parkinson in this league but they were all cautious managers. It's not too much of a problem if we're scoring plenty of goals.
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
I agree; I think it's ridiculous how someone can come on here after a 3-0 loss and criticise supporters for expressing their concern at the result, or accuse people of going into meltdown after a few comments saying we didn't play well. Maybe you should take a little break from the 3-0 loss thread if you can't fathom people not being happy with losing badly.
The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B Facts are in a season you take the highs with the lows, We got beat by a good team, accept it, don't start having a go at players after one bad result, and as for the Gobby remarks more like playground stuff.
You seem to have a grievance with some very specific people by your posts. Maybe you just shouldn't take people's posts so personally. I think it is true that we have no plan B; we play a very specific way and if teams pressure us on the ball to break up our neat passing, get a bit cynical to disrupt the rhythm and double up on Holmes to stop him being able to drag us forward then we can be very pedestrian. Robinson is very keen on his way of playing and he doesn't like to change. The point there is that you can play stunning football 50 games in a row, but if a team figures how you are playing on the 51st game then you have to adapt, and Robinson hasn't shown that he's able to do that. It's a valid criticism. I don't really see why it's upset you so much. Cheer up.
I seem to a grievance with some very specific people by my posts??? Really ??? Who would they be and what posts ?? It's called an opinion and the fact that I don't agree with people's posts doesn't make it a grievance. Holmes is a key player but Clarke and JFC have been instrumental in setting up attacks as has the defence working as a unit. Robinson what hitting Josh second half rather than working the wings, unfortunately we didn't the second ball, that's football. I think anyone that knows me will vouch it takes a late to upset me and how you can tell over a post is even more bizarre.
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
I agree; I think it's ridiculous how someone can come on here after a 3-0 loss and criticise supporters for expressing their concern at the result, or accuse people of going into meltdown after a few comments saying we didn't play well. Maybe you should take a little break from the 3-0 loss thread if you can't fathom people not being happy with losing badly.
The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B Facts are in a season you take the highs with the lows, We got beat by a good team, accept it, don't start having a go at players after one bad result, and as for the Gobby remarks more like playground stuff.
You seem to have a grievance with some very specific people by your posts. Maybe you just shouldn't take people's posts so personally. I think it is true that we have no plan B; we play a very specific way and if teams pressure us on the ball to break up our neat passing, get a bit cynical to disrupt the rhythm and double up on Holmes to stop him being able to drag us forward then we can be very pedestrian. Robinson is very keen on his way of playing and he doesn't like to change. The point there is that you can play stunning football 50 games in a row, but if a team figures how you are playing on the 51st game then you have to adapt, and Robinson hasn't shown that he's able to do that. It's a valid criticism. I don't really see why it's upset you so much. Cheer up.
I seem to a grievance with some very specific people by my posts??? Really ??? Who would they be and what posts ?? It's called an opinion and the fact that I don't agree with people's posts doesn't make it a grievance. Holmes is a key player but Clarke and JFC have been instrumental in setting up attacks as has the defence working as a unit. Robinson what hitting Josh second half rather than working the wings, unfortunately we didn't the second ball, that's football. I think anyone that knows me will vouch it takes a late to upset me and how you can tell over a post is even more bizarre.
I'd hate to be playing full back in our current formation, which I was quite familiar with in my youth at a reasonable level. You are on a hiding to nothing with often no immediate cover in front of you that a 4-4-2 provides.
It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
When we defend it looks more like a 4-5-1 with the 3 all dropping deeper, 4-2-3-1 is really just a name.
I don't us to be as defensively solid as our sides under Powell, Slade or Parkinson in this league but they were all cautious managers. It's not too much of a problem if we're scoring plenty of goals.
Well I'm sorry mate but I didn't see too much ''4-5-1' so I can only speak on what I saw at Rotherham and Oldham. Plenty of entertainment value I grant you but only time will tell if the lyric from 'Vindalou ' - 'We're going to score one more than you' proves to be a success. Personally I'd prefer a little more defensive structure and less tippy tappy.
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
I agree; I think it's ridiculous how someone can come on here after a 3-0 loss and criticise supporters for expressing their concern at the result, or accuse people of going into meltdown after a few comments saying we didn't play well. Maybe you should take a little break from the 3-0 loss thread if you can't fathom people not being happy with losing badly.
The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B Facts are in a season you take the highs with the lows, We got beat by a good team, accept it, don't start having a go at players after one bad result, and as for the Gobby remarks more like playground stuff.
You seem to have a grievance with some very specific people by your posts. Maybe you just shouldn't take people's posts so personally. I think it is true that we have no plan B; we play a very specific way and if teams pressure us on the ball to break up our neat passing, get a bit cynical to disrupt the rhythm and double up on Holmes to stop him being able to drag us forward then we can be very pedestrian. Robinson is very keen on his way of playing and he doesn't like to change. The point there is that you can play stunning football 50 games in a row, but if a team figures how you are playing on the 51st game then you have to adapt, and Robinson hasn't shown that he's able to do that. It's a valid criticism. I don't really see why it's upset you so much. Cheer up.
I seem to a grievance with some very specific people by my posts??? Really ??? Who would they be and what posts ?? It's called an opinion and the fact that I don't agree with people's posts doesn't make it a grievance. Holmes is a key player but Clarke and JFC have been instrumental in setting up attacks as has the defence working as a unit. Robinson what hitting Josh second half rather than working the wings, unfortunately we didn't the second ball, that's football. I think anyone that knows me will vouch it takes a late to upset me and how you can tell over a post is even more bizarre.
That's a lot of question marks. Chill.
Questions that you never answered.
It might help if you read through your posts before , well, posting.
I'd hate to be playing full back in our current formation, which I was quite familiar with in my youth at a reasonable level. You are on a hiding to nothing with often no immediate cover in front of you that a 4-4-2 provides.
It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
When we defend it looks more like a 4-5-1 with the 3 all dropping deeper, 4-2-3-1 is really just a name.
I don't us to be as defensively solid as our sides under Powell, Slade or Parkinson in this league but they were all cautious managers. It's not too much of a problem if we're scoring plenty of goals.
Powell in L1 had Jacko and Wagstaff/Green playing wide, I think both will be better defensively than Holmes and Fosu
I'd hate to be playing full back in our current formation, which I was quite familiar with in my youth at a reasonable level. You are on a hiding to nothing with often no immediate cover in front of you that a 4-4-2 provides.
It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
When we defend it looks more like a 4-5-1 with the 3 all dropping deeper, 4-2-3-1 is really just a name.
I don't us to be as defensively solid as our sides under Powell, Slade or Parkinson in this league but they were all cautious managers. It's not too much of a problem if we're scoring plenty of goals.
Powell in L1 had Jacko and Wagstaff/Green playing wide, I think both will be better defensively than Holmes and Fosu
Exactly, you can put whatever numbers on the formations you like but if the 'wide' players aren't much cop at defending then the full back is on his own.
What's the point in calling him Gobbinson? Seriously, at least come up with something funny.
Whats the point in slagging him off full stop? We will have shit games from time to time but this team can clearly play football, the likes of which we haven't seen since the Powell era, sometimes other teams will just be better.
The talent is there and if we look like we are going to make at least the play offs, I think we will make signings in Jan and really push on!
Could be a hopeless optimist but sod it! Ill try optimism for a change and see if it fits!
Because he sets the team up, decided the tactics & who to sub and when or if we turn to Plan B. Furthermore, because he is so set in wanting to play 4-5-1-1 he spent all summer chasing Reeves to the detriment of getting in at least ONE alterative / replacement striker, which came home to roost in spades last night....and to cap it all, the player he chased all summer is still not fit to even be on the bench (funny that, we were saying that when he was signed) and so he has to pack the bench with youngster and no experienced or reliable options.
Now, the above scenario may have been forced onto him by RD - if so, then have the balls to say so. Publish & be damned. If you can't stand the heat - don't start cooking in the first place.
I get that he sets the team up etc. But he can't MAKE them play well & If they go out and are told to do a job and don't perform then he can't really be held fully accountable. As I said we will have bad days and our opposition could have a blinder and batter us. If it becomes a consistent thing then KR should be looked at of course.
Some commented that the team looked tired. Unsurprising since the starting 11 played 85 mins on saturday as Robbo refused to make changes despite coasting at 2-0 to the shrimpers. Appreciate there's not a lot on the bench but Robbo's reticence could easily have backfired as youngsters when introduced late rarely make an impact. Squad needs strengthening and sorry gills but we must pile on the misery this saturday.
Some commented that the team looked tired. Unsurprising since the starting 11 played 85 mins on saturday as Robbo refused to make changes despite coasting at 2-0 to the shrimpers. Appreciate there's not a lot on the bench but Robbo's reticence could easily have backfired as youngsters when introduced late rarely make an impact. Squad needs strengthening and sorry gills but we must pile on the misery this saturday.
Problem is if we had made changes and lost everyone would say why did we alter a winning formular?
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
I agree; I think it's ridiculous how someone can come on here after a 3-0 loss and criticise supporters for expressing their concern at the result, or accuse people of going into meltdown after a few comments saying we didn't play well. Maybe you should take a little break from the 3-0 loss thread if you can't fathom people not being happy with losing badly.
The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B Facts are in a season you take the highs with the lows, We got beat by a good team, accept it, don't start having a go at players after one bad result, and as for the Gobby remarks more like playground stuff.
You seem to have a grievance with some very specific people by your posts. Maybe you just shouldn't take people's posts so personally. I think it is true that we have no plan B; we play a very specific way and if teams pressure us on the ball to break up our neat passing, get a bit cynical to disrupt the rhythm and double up on Holmes to stop him being able to drag us forward then we can be very pedestrian. Robinson is very keen on his way of playing and he doesn't like to change. The point there is that you can play stunning football 50 games in a row, but if a team figures how you are playing on the 51st game then you have to adapt, and Robinson hasn't shown that he's able to do that. It's a valid criticism. I don't really see why it's upset you so much. Cheer up.
I seem to a grievance with some very specific people by my posts??? Really ??? Who would they be and what posts ?? It's called an opinion and the fact that I don't agree with people's posts doesn't make it a grievance. Holmes is a key player but Clarke and JFC have been instrumental in setting up attacks as has the defence working as a unit. Robinson what hitting Josh second half rather than working the wings, unfortunately we didn't the second ball, that's football. I think anyone that knows me will vouch it takes a late to upset me and how you can tell over a post is even more bizarre.
Latte's upset me too mate, but if you get flustered by the spelling again then just remember there are two teas in every latte.....
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
I agree; I think it's ridiculous how someone can come on here after a 3-0 loss and criticise supporters for expressing their concern at the result, or accuse people of going into meltdown after a few comments saying we didn't play well. Maybe you should take a little break from the 3-0 loss thread if you can't fathom people not being happy with losing badly.
The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B Facts are in a season you take the highs with the lows, We got beat by a good team, accept it, don't start having a go at players after one bad result, and as for the Gobby remarks more like playground stuff.
You seem to have a grievance with some very specific people by your posts. Maybe you just shouldn't take people's posts so personally. I think it is true that we have no plan B; we play a very specific way and if teams pressure us on the ball to break up our neat passing, get a bit cynical to disrupt the rhythm and double up on Holmes to stop him being able to drag us forward then we can be very pedestrian. Robinson is very keen on his way of playing and he doesn't like to change. The point there is that you can play stunning football 50 games in a row, but if a team figures how you are playing on the 51st game then you have to adapt, and Robinson hasn't shown that he's able to do that. It's a valid criticism. I don't really see why it's upset you so much. Cheer up.
I seem to a grievance with some very specific people by my posts??? Really ??? Who would they be and what posts ?? It's called an opinion and the fact that I don't agree with people's posts doesn't make it a grievance. Holmes is a key player but Clarke and JFC have been instrumental in setting up attacks as has the defence working as a unit. Robinson what hitting Josh second half rather than working the wings, unfortunately we didn't the second ball, that's football. I think anyone that knows me will vouch it takes a late to upset me and how you can tell over a post is even more bizarre.
Latte's upset me too mate, but if you get flustered by the spelling again then just remember there are two teas in every latte.....
I'd hate to be playing full back in our current formation, which I was quite familiar with in my youth at a reasonable level. You are on a hiding to nothing with often no immediate cover in front of you that a 4-4-2 provides.
It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
When we defend it looks more like a 4-5-1 with the 3 all dropping deeper, 4-2-3-1 is really just a name.
I don't us to be as defensively solid as our sides under Powell, Slade or Parkinson in this league but they were all cautious managers. It's not too much of a problem if we're scoring plenty of goals.
Well I'm sorry mate but I didn't see too much ''4-5-1' so I can only speak on what I saw at Rotherham and Oldham. Plenty of entertainment value I grant you but only time will tell if the lyric from 'Vindalou ' - 'We're going to score one more than you' proves to be a success. Personally I'd prefer a little more defensive structure and less tippy tappy.
I don't disagree on that last bit, I think it's harder to be successful playing this way.
Could never accuse Holmes of lacking effort and I don't get the impression Fosu is lazy (not seen anyone suggest it either).
The point was when we're in our own half defending the 3 in the 4-2-3-1 are tracking back and not at the half way line next to Magennis.
On those games we kept a clean sheet v Rotherham and the 3 Oldham scored had nothing to do with midfielders failing to track back.
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
I agree; I think it's ridiculous how someone can come on here after a 3-0 loss and criticise supporters for expressing their concern at the result, or accuse people of going into meltdown after a few comments saying we didn't play well. Maybe you should take a little break from the 3-0 loss thread if you can't fathom people not being happy with losing badly.
The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B Facts are in a season you take the highs with the lows, We got beat by a good team, accept it, don't start having a go at players after one bad result, and as for the Gobby remarks more like playground stuff.
You seem to have a grievance with some very specific people by your posts. Maybe you just shouldn't take people's posts so personally. I think it is true that we have no plan B; we play a very specific way and if teams pressure us on the ball to break up our neat passing, get a bit cynical to disrupt the rhythm and double up on Holmes to stop him being able to drag us forward then we can be very pedestrian. Robinson is very keen on his way of playing and he doesn't like to change. The point there is that you can play stunning football 50 games in a row, but if a team figures how you are playing on the 51st game then you have to adapt, and Robinson hasn't shown that he's able to do that. It's a valid criticism. I don't really see why it's upset you so much. Cheer up.
I seem to a grievance with some very specific people by my posts??? Really ??? Who would they be and what posts ?? It's called an opinion and the fact that I don't agree with people's posts doesn't make it a grievance. Holmes is a key player but Clarke and JFC have been instrumental in setting up attacks as has the defence working as a unit. Robinson what hitting Josh second half rather than working the wings, unfortunately we didn't the second ball, that's football. I think anyone that knows me will vouch it takes a late to upset me and how you can tell over a post is even more bizarre.
That's a lot of question marks. Chill.
Questions that you never answered.
Sigh. Fine.
You said 'The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B'
So there you've said that the same people are saying the team is good and then criticising them when you lose. With the use of ' same people' there we have to assume that you are referring to someone(s) specific. I mean, it's probably that. Otherwise you would just be frothing about there being some positive and negative comments on a discussion forum and then mashing them together in your mind so you can claim that this makes all other fans bipolar hypocrites. Which would be a ridiculous way to spend your time, so as a result I had to assume there are specific posters you're calling out there. I could be wrong, but I honestly think that would the sadder outcome here.
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
I agree; I think it's ridiculous how someone can come on here after a 3-0 loss and criticise supporters for expressing their concern at the result, or accuse people of going into meltdown after a few comments saying we didn't play well. Maybe you should take a little break from the 3-0 loss thread if you can't fathom people not being happy with losing badly.
The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B Facts are in a season you take the highs with the lows, We got beat by a good team, accept it, don't start having a go at players after one bad result, and as for the Gobby remarks more like playground stuff.
You seem to have a grievance with some very specific people by your posts. Maybe you just shouldn't take people's posts so personally. I think it is true that we have no plan B; we play a very specific way and if teams pressure us on the ball to break up our neat passing, get a bit cynical to disrupt the rhythm and double up on Holmes to stop him being able to drag us forward then we can be very pedestrian. Robinson is very keen on his way of playing and he doesn't like to change. The point there is that you can play stunning football 50 games in a row, but if a team figures how you are playing on the 51st game then you have to adapt, and Robinson hasn't shown that he's able to do that. It's a valid criticism. I don't really see why it's upset you so much. Cheer up.
I seem to a grievance with some very specific people by my posts??? Really ??? Who would they be and what posts ?? It's called an opinion and the fact that I don't agree with people's posts doesn't make it a grievance. Holmes is a key player but Clarke and JFC have been instrumental in setting up attacks as has the defence working as a unit. Robinson what hitting Josh second half rather than working the wings, unfortunately we didn't the second ball, that's football. I think anyone that knows me will vouch it takes a late to upset me and how you can tell over a post is even more bizarre.
That's a lot of question marks. Chill.
Questions that you never answered.
Sigh. Fine.
You said 'The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B'
So there you've said that the same people are saying the team is good and then criticising them when you lose. With the use of ' same people' there we have to assume that you are referring to someone(s) specific. I mean, it's probably that. Otherwise you would just be frothing about there being some positive and negative comments on a discussion forum and then mashing them together in your mind so you can claim that this makes all other fans bipolar hypocrites. Which would be a ridiculous way to spend your time, so as a result I had to assume there are specific posters you're calling out there. I could be wrong, but I honestly think that would the sadder outcome here.
So now you are assuming. I have never called anyone out. Only responded to posts in which a forum is for.
I'd hate to be playing full back in our current formation, which I was quite familiar with in my youth at a reasonable level. You are on a hiding to nothing with often no immediate cover in front of you that a 4-4-2 provides.
It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
When we defend it looks more like a 4-5-1 with the 3 all dropping deeper, 4-2-3-1 is really just a name.
I don't us to be as defensively solid as our sides under Powell, Slade or Parkinson in this league but they were all cautious managers. It's not too much of a problem if we're scoring plenty of goals.
Well I'm sorry mate but I didn't see too much ''4-5-1' so I can only speak on what I saw at Rotherham and Oldham. Plenty of entertainment value I grant you but only time will tell if the lyric from 'Vindalou ' - 'We're going to score one more than you' proves to be a success. Personally I'd prefer a little more defensive structure and less tippy tappy.
I don't disagree on that last bit, I think it's harder to be successful playing this way.
Could never accuse Holmes of lacking effort and I don't get the impression Fosu is lazy (not seen anyone suggest it either).
The point was when we're in our own half defending the 3 in the 4-2-3-1 are tracking back and not at the half way line next to Magennis.
On those games we kept a clean sheet v Rotherham and the 3 Oldham scored had nothing to do with midfielders failing to track back.
I fully agree that Holmes gives his all and does track back but his strongest attributes are going forward with ball and not defending / tackling, same for Fosu leaving the full backs more exposed especially to the quick counter attack; their mind set is to attack more than defend. I never said the goals at Oldham had anything to do with midfielders tracking back what I said was I never saw much of the 4-5-1 you said is supposed to morph when we are defending.
What I did see at Rotherham however was a good old fashioned back four coping with the route one bombardment thrown at them especially the two CBs and a keeper prepared to come for crosses whilst the full backs were under less pressure from wide players because of the home sides tactics to go more direct.
Against the lesser sides our entertaining style should see us through but I'm not so sure it will prevail against our peers and it certainly didn't the other night. Somebody said that they could see our season panning out something like P46 W23 D8 L15 Pts77 resulting in a play off spot and this would not surprise me at all.
I'd hate to be playing full back in our current formation, which I was quite familiar with in my youth at a reasonable level. You are on a hiding to nothing with often no immediate cover in front of you that a 4-4-2 provides.
It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
When we defend it looks more like a 4-5-1 with the 3 all dropping deeper, 4-2-3-1 is really just a name.
I don't us to be as defensively solid as our sides under Powell, Slade or Parkinson in this league but they were all cautious managers. It's not too much of a problem if we're scoring plenty of goals.
Well I'm sorry mate but I didn't see too much ''4-5-1' so I can only speak on what I saw at Rotherham and Oldham. Plenty of entertainment value I grant you but only time will tell if the lyric from 'Vindalou ' - 'We're going to score one more than you' proves to be a success. Personally I'd prefer a little more defensive structure and less tippy tappy.
I'd hate to be playing full back in our current formation, which I was quite familiar with in my youth at a reasonable level. You are on a hiding to nothing with often no immediate cover in front of you that a 4-4-2 provides.
It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
When we defend it looks more like a 4-5-1 with the 3 all dropping deeper, 4-2-3-1 is really just a name.
I don't us to be as defensively solid as our sides under Powell, Slade or Parkinson in this league but they were all cautious managers. It's not too much of a problem if we're scoring plenty of goals.
Well I'm sorry mate but I didn't see too much ''4-5-1' so I can only speak on what I saw at Rotherham and Oldham. Plenty of entertainment value I grant you but only time will tell if the lyric from 'Vindalou ' - 'We're going to score one more than you' proves to be a success. Personally I'd prefer a little more defensive structure and less tippy tappy.
Oh oh, here we go.
Once a defender always a defender James, success is built on a solid foundation unless you are Barcelona
I'd hate to be playing full back in our current formation, which I was quite familiar with in my youth at a reasonable level. You are on a hiding to nothing with often no immediate cover in front of you that a 4-4-2 provides.
It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
When we defend it looks more like a 4-5-1 with the 3 all dropping deeper, 4-2-3-1 is really just a name.
I don't us to be as defensively solid as our sides under Powell, Slade or Parkinson in this league but they were all cautious managers. It's not too much of a problem if we're scoring plenty of goals.
Well I'm sorry mate but I didn't see too much ''4-5-1' so I can only speak on what I saw at Rotherham and Oldham. Plenty of entertainment value I grant you but only time will tell if the lyric from 'Vindalou ' - 'We're going to score one more than you' proves to be a success. Personally I'd prefer a little more defensive structure and less tippy tappy.
Oh oh, here we go.
Once a defender always a defender James, success is built on a solid foundation unless you are Barcelona :wink
I love the way we've been playing this season, but I'd have a plan B for those matches that turn physical, like Oldham with Fane, or Wigan. Bring on Sarr as a 3rd CB possibly?
The squad is not strong enough to play 3 games a week. Simple as that. Quite niave from KR to keep same 11. What does he do Saturday now as solly & kashi probably need a rest
What about Clarke? He's played in all the cup games too.
I'd hate to be playing full back in our current formation, which I was quite familiar with in my youth at a reasonable level. You are on a hiding to nothing with often no immediate cover in front of you that a 4-4-2 provides.
It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
When we defend it looks more like a 4-5-1 with the 3 all dropping deeper, 4-2-3-1 is really just a name.
I don't us to be as defensively solid as our sides under Powell, Slade or Parkinson in this league but they were all cautious managers. It's not too much of a problem if we're scoring plenty of goals.
Well I'm sorry mate but I didn't see too much ''4-5-1' so I can only speak on what I saw at Rotherham and Oldham. Plenty of entertainment value I grant you but only time will tell if the lyric from 'Vindalou ' - 'We're going to score one more than you' proves to be a success. Personally I'd prefer a little more defensive structure and less tippy tappy.
Oh oh, here we go.
Once a defender always a defender James, success is built on a solid foundation unless you are Barcelona :wink
I love the way we've been playing this season, but I'd have a plan B for those matches that turn physical, like Oldham with Fane, or Wigan. Bring on Sarr as a 3rd CB possibly?
Me too,' the football has been very pleasing on the eye and at times like the first 30 mins at Oldham we played them off the park. The problem there as you know was we got roughed up and our discipline went or to quote Ricky 'we went gung ho'.
Maybe three central defenders with Sarr or Konsa (who is a better CB than a CM imo) is a good alternative and you sacrifice one of the 5 midfielders I don't know but KR definitely needs to have a plan to change the direction of a game or else there's going to be a lot more peaks and troughs to come this season.
Not sure I'd trigger the 5-4-1 (or is it 5-3-2) formation quite yet by bringing in Sarr.
Could be a bit panicky.
Gillingham away on Saturday will be a tough game - for them getting one over us is a really big deal, so, they'll come out of the traps with a vengeance. If we fail to rise to the occasion and get at least a point I'd start the back 5 (if it were my choice) after that.
Just watching the highlights on VP. Seems we had a few chances before they scored - had the JF-C shot gone in off the bar what a boost that would have been. And Fosu's shot had enough power to go in on another day. We weren't too lucky with rebounds either.
Their first goal: Kashi lost his defender. Pearce let it go past him, perhaps fearing an own goal.
Their second goal no-one followed Massy into the box.
Third goal showed Dasilva's right foot needs some work.
Amos made some decent saves, but none were anything other than what you'd expect a keeper to make.
Btw the commentator on VP pronounces the 'A' of Amos like the a in 'at'. It's 'a' like the 'a' in 'able' , isn't it?
PS 'Unhappy' Seed profile pic after a defeat like that.
I was there at the game. Yet the two-and-a-half minutes of highlights from Sky speak volumes. It wasn't just Wigan's goals that exposed our frailties; have a look at their near-misses.
Nick Powell stormed through our gaping central midfield at least twice in the second half to force Amos into diving saves. Wigan's first goal - and similar chances early in the first half - illustrate how vulnerable our defenders are to low, fast crosses. And under no pressure in our own box, poor DaSilva passed seven yards directly to a Wigan player to hammer in their third.
What the highlights don't show - because it's difficult to depict a void - is that we created not a single iota of goal-bound danger in the entire second half.
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It's ok when we're on the front foot because the best form of defence is attack but when you're being outplayed like we appear to have been last night the full backs are hung lout to dry.
Holmes is a key player but Clarke and JFC have been instrumental in setting up attacks as has the defence working as a unit.
Robinson what hitting Josh second half rather than working the wings, unfortunately we didn't the second ball, that's football.
I think anyone that knows me will vouch it takes a late to upset me and how you can tell over a post is even more bizarre.
I don't us to be as defensively solid as our sides under Powell, Slade or Parkinson in this league but they were all cautious managers. It's not too much of a problem if we're scoring plenty of goals.
Little of your latest one makes any sense....
If it becomes a consistent thing then KR should be looked at of course.
Appreciate there's not a lot on the bench but Robbo's reticence could easily have backfired as youngsters when introduced late rarely make an impact.
Squad needs strengthening and sorry gills but we must pile on the misery this saturday.
Damned if i do and damned if i don't!
Could never accuse Holmes of lacking effort and I don't get the impression Fosu is lazy (not seen anyone suggest it either).
The point was when we're in our own half defending the 3 in the 4-2-3-1 are tracking back and not at the half way line next to Magennis.
On those games we kept a clean sheet v Rotherham and the 3 Oldham scored had nothing to do with midfielders failing to track back.
I reckon Dodoo with a run of games could do well. But seeing players differently is why we have an awesome forum.
You said 'The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ?
Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B'
So there you've said that the same people are saying the team is good and then criticising them when you lose. With the use of ' same people' there we have to assume that you are referring to someone(s) specific. I mean, it's probably that. Otherwise you would just be frothing about there being some positive and negative comments on a discussion forum and then mashing them together in your mind so you can claim that this makes all other fans bipolar hypocrites. Which would be a ridiculous way to spend your time, so as a result I had to assume there are specific posters you're calling out there. I could be wrong, but I honestly think that would the sadder outcome here.
What I did see at Rotherham however was a good old fashioned back four coping with the route one bombardment thrown at them especially the two CBs and a keeper prepared to come for crosses whilst the full backs were under less pressure from wide players because of the home sides tactics to go more direct.
Against the lesser sides our entertaining style should see us through but I'm not so sure it will prevail against our peers and it certainly didn't the other night. Somebody said that they could see our season panning out something like P46 W23 D8 L15 Pts77 resulting in a play off spot and this would not surprise me at all.
Maybe three central defenders with Sarr or Konsa (who is a better CB than a CM imo) is a good alternative and you sacrifice one of the 5 midfielders I don't know but KR definitely needs to have a plan to change the direction of a game or else there's going to be a lot more peaks and troughs to come this season.
Could be a bit panicky.
Gillingham away on Saturday will be a tough game - for them getting one over us is a really big deal, so, they'll come out of the traps with a vengeance. If we fail to rise to the occasion and get at least a point I'd start the back 5 (if it were my choice) after that.
Phil-lips.