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STATBANK: Charlton 1-1 Bury

lancashire lad
lancashire lad Posts: 15,626
in General Charlton
Many thanks to the 44 Lifers who gave marks:
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  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    edited September 2017
    I realise this is your stats done your way but I have a suggested revision:
    When a player is suspended for accumulated cards, serious foul play etc I think their average score should reflect those games for which they were suspended e.g Ricky Holmes current average would be 6.48 rather than 7.29. My justification, being that they are (almost entirely) responsible for their own unavailability, in contrast to the misfortune of injury or the impenetrable vagaries of managerial selection. Similar in principle to not rating players for substitute(d) appearances shorter than 20 minutes. Just a thought. Many thanks for your efforts.
  • Addick in SW16
    Addick in SW16 Posts: 1,421
    StigThundercock said:

    I realise this is your stats done your way but I have a suggested revision:
    When a player is suspended for accumulated cards, serious foul play etc I think their average score should reflect those games for which they were suspended e.g Ricky Holmes current average would be 6.48 rather than 7.29. My justification, being that they are (almost entirely) responsible for their own unavailability, in contrast to the misfortune of injury or the impenetrable vagaries of managerial selection. Similar in principle to not rating players for substitute(d) appearances shorter than 20 minutes. Just a thought. Many thanks for your efforts.

    Interesting point
  • Addick in SW16
    Addick in SW16 Posts: 1,421
    Absolutely love the stats btw. Thanks for all the hard work.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Solly bottom of the averages of the regular starters.

    Time of Dyksteel?
  • MountsfieldPark
    MountsfieldPark Posts: 2,074
    Out of fairness to LL and his invaluable efforts, I think the stats should just summarise the actual marks given. Anything else becomes a judgement call. For example, LL would be in a minefield when a player gets a straight red because of what most Addicks think was blatant play-acting. Also, what about a player making a reckless challenge and getting himself seriously injured, e.g. the notorious Gascoigne tackle in the 1991 Cup Final?
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    Feel like there was "herding" with Kashi. He made the one mistake giving the ball away near his own goal early on (he did win it back though), and after that he was very, very good.
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,626
    StigThundercock said:

    I realise this is your stats done your way but I have a suggested revision:
    When a player is suspended for accumulated cards, serious foul play etc I think their average score should reflect those games for which they were suspended e.g Ricky Holmes current average would be 6.48 rather than 7.29. My justification, being that they are (almost entirely) responsible for their own unavailability, in contrast to the misfortune of injury or the impenetrable vagaries of managerial selection. Similar in principle to not rating players for substitute(d) appearances shorter than 20 minutes. Just a thought. Many thanks for your efforts.

    thanks for the suggestion Stig but no - here's why - I would hope that when someone does their marks they take into account the fact that the player got a yellow/red card and maybe lower the mark accordingly. Marking is subjective and you all do it differently all I can do is show those marks in a completely unbiased manner. Also the minimum playing time is 30 minutes and I keep at that so comparisons can be made with different years.
  • Addick in SW16
    Addick in SW16 Posts: 1,421
    lancashire lad said:

    StigThundercock said:

    I realise this is your stats done your way but I have a suggested revision:
    When a player is suspended for accumulated cards, serious foul play etc I think their average score should reflect those games for which they were suspended e.g Ricky Holmes current average would be 6.48 rather than 7.29. My justification, being that they are (almost entirely) responsible for their own unavailability, in contrast to the misfortune of injury or the impenetrable vagaries of managerial selection. Similar in principle to not rating players for substitute(d) appearances shorter than 20 minutes. Just a thought. Many thanks for your efforts.

    thanks for the suggestion Stig but no - here's why - I would hope that when someone does their marks they take into account the fact that the player got a yellow/red card and maybe lower the mark accordingly. Marking is subjective and you all do it differently all I can do is show those marks in a completely unbiased manner. Also the minimum playing time is 30 minutes and I keep at that so comparisons can be made with different years.
    That's fair. I remember a few people saying that they took half a mark off for Holmes as he had stupidly got himself suspended. Definitely see Stig Thundercock's point though.
  • MountsfieldPark
    MountsfieldPark Posts: 2,074
    edited September 2017
    Addick in SW16 said:

    lancashire lad said:

    StigThundercock said:

    I realise this is your stats done your way but I have a suggested revision:
    When a player is suspended for accumulated cards, serious foul play etc I think their average score should reflect those games for which they were suspended e.g Ricky Holmes current average would be 6.48 rather than 7.29. My justification, being that they are (almost entirely) responsible for their own unavailability, in contrast to the misfortune of injury or the impenetrable vagaries of managerial selection. Similar in principle to not rating players for substitute(d) appearances shorter than 20 minutes. Just a thought. Many thanks for your efforts.

    thanks for the suggestion Stig but no - here's why - I would hope that when someone does their marks they take into account the fact that the player got a yellow/red card and maybe lower the mark accordingly. Marking is subjective and you all do it differently all I can do is show those marks in a completely unbiased manner. Also the minimum playing time is 30 minutes and I keep at that so comparisons can be made with different years.
    That's fair. I remember a few people saying that they took half a mark off for Holmes as he had stupidly got himself suspended. Definitely see Stig Thundercock's point though.
    But then again, Robinson said the ref apologised to Holmes afterwards and admitted he was too hasty with the yellow and shouldn't have booked him...
  • Addick in SW16
    Addick in SW16 Posts: 1,421
    MountsfieldPark said:

    Addick in SW16 said:

    lancashire lad said:

    StigThundercock said:

    I realise this is your stats done your way but I have a suggested revision:
    When a player is suspended for accumulated cards, serious foul play etc I think their average score should reflect those games for which they were suspended e.g Ricky Holmes current average would be 6.48 rather than 7.29. My justification, being that they are (almost entirely) responsible for their own unavailability, in contrast to the misfortune of injury or the impenetrable vagaries of managerial selection. Similar in principle to not rating players for substitute(d) appearances shorter than 20 minutes. Just a thought. Many thanks for your efforts.

    thanks for the suggestion Stig but no - here's why - I would hope that when someone does their marks they take into account the fact that the player got a yellow/red card and maybe lower the mark accordingly. Marking is subjective and you all do it differently all I can do is show those marks in a completely unbiased manner. Also the minimum playing time is 30 minutes and I keep at that so comparisons can be made with different years.
    That's fair. I remember a few people saying that they took half a mark off for Holmes as he had stupidly got himself suspended. Definitely see Stig Thundercock's point though.
    But then again, Robinson said the ref apologised to Holmes afterwards and admitted he was too hasty with the yellow and shouldn't have booked him...
    Which is probably why Lancashire Lad has it right. Leave it to individual posters to decide whether or not to mark a player down on a case by case basis.
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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Redrobo said:

    Solly bottom of the averages of the regular starters.

    Time of Dyksteel?

    Personally would prefer Barnes think Dijksteel is more of a cm, but only seen him a couple of times! So would ask @dickplumb for his opinion.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Redrobo said:

    Solly bottom of the averages of the regular starters.

    Time of Dyksteel?

    Bit harsh that Solly is bottom of the averages

    It was his cross (again) that Magennis should have scored from but for an excellent save from Murphy
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,825
    People can pick holes in people's player marks etc but I'm still pretty content that as a collective average, we get this pretty right.

    If you look at the comparison to last season table, those differences lead up to what I perceive to be a very accurate movement in average marks.

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