I think Man City fans certainly felt something similar about their club until the Sheikhs came along. Thats why they adopted the Python song, right? Called their club the "diva". I certainly remember that those I knew, and those I met on the day, were massively unsurprised that we battered them out of sight in our first game on return to the FAPL, despite all the pre-match hype about George Weah. That a kid making his full debut, one Kevin Lisbie, tore through their defence at will, was all part of the pre-ordained story.
Probably seems like a bad dream to them now, those that remember it anyway.
So all we need is for the government to build us a new stadium and a foreign Royal family to give us a billion quid in order to break the "curse"?
I think Man City fans certainly felt something similar about their club until the Sheikhs came along. Thats why they adopted the Python song, right? Called their club the "diva". I certainly remember that those I knew, and those I met on the day, were massively unsurprised that we battered them out of sight in our first game on return to the FAPL, despite all the pre-match hype about George Weah. That a kid making his full debut, one Kevin Lisbie, tore through their defence at will, was all part of the pre-ordained story.
Probably seems like a bad dream to them now, those that remember it anyway.
So all we need is for the government to build us a new stadium and a foreign Royal family to give us a billion quid in order to break the "curse"?
Well the first bit on its own will not do the trick, as we can see with our friends across the river...
I think Man City fans certainly felt something similar about their club until the Sheikhs came along. Thats why they adopted the Python song, right? Called their club the "diva". I certainly remember that those I knew, and those I met on the day, were massively unsurprised that we battered them out of sight in our first game on return to the FAPL, despite all the pre-match hype about George Weah. That a kid making his full debut, one Kevin Lisbie, tore through their defence at will, was all part of the pre-ordained story.
Probably seems like a bad dream to them now, those that remember it anyway.
So all we need is for the government to build us a new stadium and a foreign Royal family to give us a billion quid in order to break the "curse"?
Erm... well... yes that probably is about the long and the short of it these days.
I went to the Southend game yesterday with a West Ham Fan, who had recently joined our family, he didn’t think we had enough hard nasty B #####s in the team who would put their life on the line for the team, and get more out of the players around him, he did quite like the Charlton singing, especially the we hate Millwall chant!
He also thought the team didn’t look like they were being coached right to even do the basics right.
I went to the Southend game yesterday with a West Ham Fan, who had recently joined our family, he didn’t think we had enough hard nasty B #####s in the team who would put their life on the line for the team, and get more out of the players around him, he did quite like the Charlton singing, especially the we hate Millwall chant!
He also thought the team didn’t look like they were being coached right to even do the basics right.
How long did we have to wait to see Charlton string together more than two passes without losing possession? Something like 25 minutes? And our ability to stop an attack without immediately giving possession back is utterly woeful.
What ever the opposite of rose tinted specs is........
Henry's given a few but there are probably loads more, 97/98 season, the last ten games, play off semi's and final showed plenty of bottle. We didn't let in a goal between late March and the play off final.
Away to Blackburn in the early 90's FA Cup (round 3?).
If I look back over the last 30 years, we were either a premier/top division side often punching above our weight, a selling club filled with youngsters or old pro's, or like some of the last few years absolutely dire!
I think under Curbs in the premier so much was about getting to safety that everything else went by the wayside, including the Cup, it just wasn't highest priority. But we had some fantastic wins against top top sides;
First Premier League home game? 5-0, same year I think 3-3 with Liverpool, the Villa 4-3, thats just one season where we got relegated! 4-0 against Man City one new years eve (or there abouts) followed by beating Arsenal 1-0 a couple of days later on new years day. 4-2against Arsenal the following year, 1-0 against chelsea on the BTTV Anniversary, followed by beating Tottenham the following week I think (2 or 3-1), in fact I think we did the double on Chelsea that year. Boxing Day against Chelsea followed by Tottenham, sending Palace down..... theres loads
there's been some great times and times players have stood upend been counted, it's not as bad as you think.
Not really. The OP was about "crunch games", "derby's", or ones where there is some importance attached to them. Most of the ones you mentioned in the Premiership years were just common or garden league games. If you read my earlier post you'll noticed that I highlighted around a dozen games where a win would have meant something - 3 quarter finals in 15 years, 1 at home against a team 3 divisions lower than us, and all were a massive disappointment and in all 3 we never looked like winning & progressing to the semis.
As I said, since I've been supporting Charlton (c 1976) I have witnessed very few games where we have "turned up" and done something special. The Play-off Finals are is about the only ones I can think of (Wembley & St Andrews). Yes we won at Blackburn in the cup, but that was just the 3rd round, something that most league teams can say that they've done over a 40 year period. Jesus, Millwall have been to Wembley more times than us since 2000.
Ok, instead of just no, can anyone explain to me how over the last 30 odd years...
We've won just 3 of our last 31 league games home and away versus Millwall 1978
We've won just 8 of our last 32 home and away versus Palace since 1983
We've won just 1 of our last 6 versus Gillingham since 1981
We've won just 3 of our last 21 versus Fulham (all at home)
We've won 1 of our last 11 v Brighton
We have undoubtedly one of the worst Cup performance / results record in the country
That our two biggest away followings this season (Gillingham and Southend) resulted in defeat
Last season's 7 biggest away followings - Millwall, Gills, Oxford, Southend, Bury, Northampton- zero victories
I could go back year after year with that one
When was the last time we won an away game with an above average away following? Watford away Jan 13 (5yrs ago)?
We've lost one league game v Gillingham since 1929 and that was this year.
We only play Millwall when we we've sunk to their level. We did the double over them and then didn't play them for 15 odd years.
We are crap in the cup but we're the only SE London to have won it.
It's not in our DNA, whatever that means.
We just to often have too little money to compete but we beat Chelsea five times in a row, came back to draw with nine men, beats Leeds at At Andrews, won 101 points, beat Barnsley 6-0, we sent Palace down when it mattered.
Things are shit across the whole club now but you are wallowing in it a bit too much when you say it's somehow in the club's DNA.
It's been shit before and it has got better and so it will again. I hope.
Over the entire life of the club, we've got a great record. With the exception of a handful of really big boys, it's arguable that we've got one of the most interesting histories in league football. There are many great wins on big occasions and against the odds. The trouble is that the majority of that good stuff is beyond living memory. You can read about it and if you're really lucky you might see a snatch on some old Pathe newsreel. But only a tiny faction of the good stuff would have been seen live by current fans.
I don't know about DNA, but I think it's worth asking how many good times have we seen this century. The answer is nowhere near enough. Sure there was the Premiership but most of that was workaday league stuff. I for one, still feel disappointed that in all that time we never had a good crack at the cup. Or even 'a' cup. When we're on the up, we're too cautious. When we're struggling we don't show enough grit. The decent board we had run out of money. Jimenez and Slater were a couple of chancers who would shaft their own grannies given half a chance. And as for Two Shats, he'd rather go dancing with duck tape than do anything genuinely exciting. So there's not really been anyone in charge at the club to inject some excitement. Everything has been about scrabbling around looking for cash.
I know that this might sound like heresy, but when I read in VoTV about AEG being interested it made me wonder whether our biggest problem may have been The Valley. I know everyone is proud of the fact that we returned to The Valley (not once, but twice) and that to some fans Charlton is The Valley, but I can't help but wonder if we'd have been bought out by a bigger entity looking to develop the peninsula and fill it with a team befitting a brand new 40k stadium would we be in the dire straights we are now. In some way, has our greatest asset become our greatest liability?
These days I only do a handful of away games, basically local or 'big' games - this season will be Gills, Wimbledon, Southend and Pompey, maybe more late on if we have a sniff of the play the offs.
I genuinely cannot remember the last time I saw us win away, it must be at least 6/7 years ago.
Always a let down for bigger games but it would be very Charlton to win at Wigan on Friday in front of 150 away fans.
Over the entire life of the club, we've got a great record. With the exception of a handful of really big boys, it's arguable that we've got one of the most interesting histories in league football. There are many great wins on big occasions and against the odds. The trouble is that the majority of that good stuff is beyond living memory. You can read about it and if you're really lucky you might see a snatch on some old Pathe newsreel. But only a tiny faction of the good stuff would have been seen live by current fans.
I don't know about DNA, but I think it's worth asking how many good times have we seen this century. The answer is nowhere near enough. Sure there was the Premiership but most of that was workaday league stuff. I for one, still feel disappointed that in all that time we never had a good crack at the cup. Or even 'a' cup. When we're on the up, we're too cautious. When we're struggling we don't show enough grit. The decent board we had run out of money. Jimenez and Slater were a couple of chancers who would shaft their own grannies given half a chance. And as for Two Shats, he'd rather go dancing with duck tape than do anything genuinely exciting. So there's not really been anyone in charge at the club to inject some excitement. Everything has been about scrabbling around looking for cash.
I know that this might sound like heresy, but when I read in VoTV about AEG being interested it made me wonder whether our biggest problem may have been The Valley. I know everyone is proud of the fact that we returned to The Valley (not once, but twice) and that to some fans Charlton is The Valley, but I can't help but wonder if we'd have been bought out by a bigger entity looking to develop the peninsula and fill it with a team befitting a brand new 40k stadium would we be in the dire straights we are now. In some way, has our greatest asset become our greatest liability?
In my grandad’s era this Millwall fixation didn’t exist. His Charlton beat them twice and got promoted twice leaving Millwall far behind. He never faced them again as manager.
In his era many fans would watch both teams, rather like @LouisMend with his second club Crystal Palace Bromley. Millwall were no threat so you could follow both clubs.
I don’t think many fans thought JS was a traitor when he ended up at Millwall. I expect they probably felt sorry for him.
As to why we struggle against Millwall? Well they’ve always been massively up for it when they face us as the underdogs. And they play a pretty direct and physics type of football that doesn’t play to Charlton’s strengths (not in recent years anyway). If things carry on as they are, and Charlton become the underdogs, then maybe we can turn the tables. But I’d rather be a league or two above them to be honest.
In my grandad’s era this Millwall fixation didn’t exist. His Charlton beat them twice and got promoted twice leaving Millwall far behind. He never faced them again as manager.
In his era many fans would watch both teams, rather like @LouisMend with his second club Crystal Palace Bromley. Millwall were no threat so you could follow both clubs.
I don’t think many fans thought JS was a traitor when he ended up at Millwall. I expect they probably felt sorry for him.
As to why we struggle against Millwall? Well they’ve always been massively up for it when they face us as the underdogs. And they play a pretty direct and physics type of football that doesn’t play to Charlton’s strengths (not in recent years anyway). If things carry on as they are, and Charlton become the underdogs, then maybe we can turn the tables. But I’d rather be a league or two above them to be honest.
Its things like this that I just don't get. I haven't checked but I would expect that over the past 10 years every time we have played them either one of us, or both, have had a different manager & very different players to the last time. So why would they play "direct" & why would that not suit us. Do Big Mick's team play the same way as Kenny Jacket's, or Neil Harris' ?? Do Parkinson's team play the same way as Russell Slade's ?? I do concede that Millwall probably get "up" to play us more than we do, but only because they know it means more & will piss us off.
In my grandad’s era this Millwall fixation didn’t exist. His Charlton beat them twice and got promoted twice leaving Millwall far behind. He never faced them again as manager.
In his era many fans would watch both teams, rather like @LouisMend with his second club Crystal Palace Bromley. Millwall were no threat so you could follow both clubs.
I don’t think many fans thought JS was a traitor when he ended up at Millwall. I expect they probably felt sorry for him.
As to why we struggle against Millwall? Well they’ve always been massively up for it when they face us as the underdogs. And they play a pretty direct and physics type of football that doesn’t play to Charlton’s strengths (not in recent years anyway). If things carry on as they are, and Charlton become the underdogs, then maybe we can turn the tables. But I’d rather be a league or two above them to be honest.
Its things like this that I just don't get. I haven't checked but I would expect that over the past 10 years every time we have played them either one of us, or both, have had a different manager & very different players to the last time. So why would they play "direct" & why would that not suit us. Do Big Mick's team play the same way as Kenny Jacket's, or Neil Harris' ?? Do Parkinson's team play the same way as Russell Slade's ?? I do concede that Millwall probably get "up" to play us more than we do, but only because they know it means more & will piss us off.
I said in recent years, I meant last four or five really. Our record since 2009 has been appalling. Zero wins. Millwall have had a reputation for being a fairly direct, physical side for most of that time. I’m thinking of the last few years in particular. Have Charlton had a reputation as being a tough/strong side in the way that millwall has? No. Yes there have been different managers, but they rarely come in and change the ethos of a club. Especially at Millwall. In recent years, certainly the last two or three at least, we’ve looked vulnerable against physical, direct sides, doesn’t matter who’s managing them or us. We’ve tended to be easily bullied. Haven’t you noticed?
Hillsborough in January 2012 was a big away game and the players came through that. They had been so good at home they couldnt believe it that we had gone there and won.
But then, you have a manager who knows the "DNA" of the club and is backed to bring in the players he wants and you get results.
In regards to bottling it in cup games and derbies its a bit like premature ejaculation. Once you have a couple of bad ones youre beaten in the head before it begins. So a friend says.
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He also thought the team didn’t look like they were being coached right to even do the basics right.
The enormity of winning them matches needs some ying to the yang
We've won just 3 of our last 31 league games home and away versus Millwall 1978
We've won just 8 of our last 32 home and away versus Palace since 1983
We've won just 1 of our last 6 versus Gillingham since 1981
We've won just 3 of our last 21 versus Fulham (all at home)
We've won 1 of our last 11 v Brighton
We have undoubtedly one of the worst Cup performance / results record in the country
That our two biggest away followings this season (Gillingham and Southend) resulted in defeat
Last season's 7 biggest away followings - Millwall, Gills, Oxford, Southend, Bury, Northampton- zero victories
I could go back year after year with that one
When was the last time we won an away game with an above average away following? Watford away Jan 13 (5yrs ago)?
As I said, since I've been supporting Charlton (c 1976) I have witnessed very few games where we have "turned up" and done something special. The Play-off Finals are is about the only ones I can think of (Wembley & St Andrews). Yes we won at Blackburn in the cup, but that was just the 3rd round, something that most league teams can say that they've done over a 40 year period. Jesus, Millwall have been to Wembley more times than us since 2000.
We only play Millwall when we we've sunk to their level. We did the double over them and then didn't play them for 15 odd years.
We are crap in the cup but we're the only SE London to have won it.
It's not in our DNA, whatever that means.
We just to often have too little money to compete but we beat Chelsea five times in a row, came back to draw with nine men, beats Leeds at At Andrews, won 101 points, beat Barnsley 6-0, we sent Palace down when it mattered.
Things are shit across the whole club now but you are wallowing in it a bit too much when you say it's somehow in the club's DNA.
It's been shit before and it has got better and so it will again. I hope.
I don't know about DNA, but I think it's worth asking how many good times have we seen this century. The answer is nowhere near enough. Sure there was the Premiership but most of that was workaday league stuff. I for one, still feel disappointed that in all that time we never had a good crack at the cup. Or even 'a' cup. When we're on the up, we're too cautious. When we're struggling we don't show enough grit. The decent board we had run out of money. Jimenez and Slater were a couple of chancers who would shaft their own grannies given half a chance. And as for Two Shats, he'd rather go dancing with duck tape than do anything genuinely exciting. So there's not really been anyone in charge at the club to inject some excitement. Everything has been about scrabbling around looking for cash.
I know that this might sound like heresy, but when I read in VoTV about AEG being interested it made me wonder whether our biggest problem may have been The Valley. I know everyone is proud of the fact that we returned to The Valley (not once, but twice) and that to some fans Charlton is The Valley, but I can't help but wonder if we'd have been bought out by a bigger entity looking to develop the peninsula and fill it with a team befitting a brand new 40k stadium would we be in the dire straights we are now. In some way, has our greatest asset become our greatest liability?
These days I only do a handful of away games, basically local or 'big' games - this season will be Gills, Wimbledon, Southend and Pompey, maybe more late on if we have a sniff of the play the offs.
I genuinely cannot remember the last time I saw us win away, it must be at least 6/7 years ago.
Always a let down for bigger games but it would be very Charlton to win at Wigan on Friday in front of 150 away fans.
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In his era many fans would watch both teams, rather like @LouisMend with his second club
Crystal PalaceBromley. Millwall were no threat so you could follow both clubs.I don’t think many fans thought JS was a traitor when he ended up at Millwall. I expect they probably felt sorry for him.
As to why we struggle against Millwall? Well they’ve always been massively up for it when they face us as the underdogs. And they play a pretty direct and physics type of football that doesn’t play to Charlton’s strengths (not in recent years anyway).
If things carry on as they are, and Charlton become the underdogs, then maybe we can turn the tables. But I’d rather be a league or two above them to be honest.
I'd genuinely forgotten about him until I read that.
Jesus.
Millwall have had a reputation for being a fairly direct, physical side for most of that time. I’m thinking of the last few years in particular. Have Charlton had a reputation as being a tough/strong side in the way that millwall has? No.
Yes there have been different managers, but they rarely come in and change the ethos of a club. Especially at Millwall.
In recent years, certainly the last two or three at least, we’ve looked vulnerable against physical, direct sides, doesn’t matter who’s managing them or us. We’ve tended to be easily bullied. Haven’t you noticed?
But then, you have a manager who knows the "DNA" of the club and is backed to bring in the players he wants and you get results.
In regards to bottling it in cup games and derbies its a bit like premature ejaculation. Once you have a couple of bad ones youre beaten in the head before it begins. So a friend says.