KR calls out Roland
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Yeah a good point, he was trying to do too much and sort of ended up doing nothing.Shrew said:
Also before the last couple of games if anything he was trying too hard, getting lots of possession and then wasting it, perhaps he's been told to get less involved but make it count (only it isn't working yet..)SDAddick said:
To be fair he had a pretty nasty collision with someone a few minutes earlier.DessieValley said:
Didn't clap the fans either when substituted.BigRedEvil said:Holmes was straight down the tunnel at the final whistle. Thought it was a bit out of character
His form has dipped drastically over the last couple months. Obviously he's not the only one, and he hasn't had the quality around him with all the injuries. But maybe his head had been turned? I don't know I don't know how things like transfer offers or takeover rumors effect players.
I don't know. I certainly trust AFKA and his multiple sources. I just wouldn't necessarily take this one snap shot as an indication that he's leaving. I also think if he thought a move was imminent that he'd have the decency to make sure he went around to clap the fans one last time.2 -
Yep, he was quoted mentioning my mate coming to tears at the state of the club, chatting to him after the Bristol Rovers 1-5 game.... To be fair to KR he's a fans manager in that he says what you want to hear. I just can't help but think that he tries too hard sometimes making him come across a tad David Brent. Good on him tho for speaking his mind tho....Weegie Addick said:Didn't Robinson tell a fan on here after an away game (Bristol?) that he was our new manager before it was announced? He knows the kind of online stir this stuff causes.
Went to Stevenage - Reading today and got a pic of Yann with my son. Asked if he'd come home, he smiled back... Im taking the credit if he returns ;-)
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Yes, he got clattered quite badly near the end and looked quite groggyOhEddieYouds said:
He took a knock and probably just wanted to get off the pitch & rest up.DessieValley said:
Didn't clap the fans either when substituted.BigRedEvil said:Holmes was straight down the tunnel at the final whistle. Thought it was a bit out of character
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From newsnow... KR, after the win....
“There are some great players we can bring in, we’ve missed out on one or two already because of this. I’m a little bit frustrated. I apologise if I seem down after the game but we still need more. The players need more help.
“I’ve not spoken to anyone [since Thursday]. We’re all doing four different jobs at the moment.
“You're coming in at 8am and not leaving until 9pm. I met four agents last night - it’s just relentless at the moment. And where that wasn't your role, it is now.
“I’ll go as far as it takes to make this football club successful. While we have people who aren't in certain positions, we have to stand up as staff and be counted. We’re willing to do the right things for the football club.
“Everyone who’s phoned me up, I’ve told them we’re not trading at the moment.”5 -
Slightly confused by this point. Why would form drop off because RD is selling? That makes no sense, surely most of the players would be delighted at the prospect of new owners, a few decent signings and a better atmosphere in the crowdcafc999 said:
KR also alluded that all of the squad got told before Christmas that RD was selling and since then form has dropped off.8 -
Yes, I'm sure he just wanted to get treatment. He doesn't hide and if he tries to do too much himself when the team isn't clicking, that is a credit to him.1
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If we're not trading at the moment then what an earth is the point in meeting 4 agents on a Friday evening?!NapaAddick said:
“You're coming in at 8am and not leaving until 9pm. I met four agents last night - it’s just relentless at the moment.
“Everyone who’s phoned me up, I’ve told them we’re not trading at the moment.”30 -
He put in a real shift today and looked like he gave a shit. Wasn’t his best game by a long way, but he put everything into it.MuttleyCAFC said:Yes, I'm sure he just wanted to get treatment. He doesn't hide and if he tries to do too much himself when the team isn't clicking, that is a credit to him.
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... In the hopes that a takeover goes through?MrLargo said:
If we're not trading at the moment then what an earth is the point in meeting 4 agents on a Friday evening?!NapaAddick said:
“You're coming in at 8am and not leaving until 9pm. I met four agents last night - it’s just relentless at the moment.
“Everyone who’s phoned me up, I’ve told them we’re not trading at the moment.”4 -
Not necessarily.killerandflash said:
Slightly confused by this point. Why would form drop off because RD is selling? That makes no sense, surely most of the players would be delighted at the prospect of new owners, a few decent signings and a better atmosphere in the crowdcafc999 said:
KR also alluded that all of the squad got told before Christmas that RD was selling and since then form has dropped off.
New owners could mean a new manager who wants his own players so the current players could be dropped or sold.
Personally I think KR is using that as an excuse.5 -
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I’m not so sure. It’s obvious Robinson isn’t a happy bunny and is very frustrated by not being able to sign his targets. That’s got to filter through to the players and I expect JJ and LB are equally concerned.killerandflash said:
Slightly confused by this point. Why would form drop off because RD is selling? That makes no sense, surely most of the players would be delighted at the prospect of new owners, a few decent signings and a better atmosphere in the crowdcafc999 said:
KR also alluded that all of the squad got told before Christmas that RD was selling and since then form has dropped off.
It’s a downward spiral once form drops and it’s obvious to everyone that the ship is currently rudderless. The club is in stasis and the situation needs resolving very soon otherwise it might well result in us looking over our shoulders which is ridiculous.
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This thread is a good example that no matter what Robinson does, he is going to be heavily criticized. He really is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.29
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Two up top at home would be a good startNapaAddick said:From newsnow... KR, after the win....
“There are some great players we can bring in, we’ve missed out on one or two already because of this. I’m a little bit frustrated. I apologise if I seem down after the game but we still need more. The players need more help.
“I’ve not spoken to anyone [since Thursday]. We’re all doing four different jobs at the moment.
“You're coming in at 8am and not leaving until 9pm. I met four agents last night - it’s just relentless at the moment. And where that wasn't your role, it is now.
“I’ll go as far as it takes to make this football club successful. While we have people who aren't in certain positions, we have to stand up as staff and be counted. We’re willing to do the right things for the football club.
“Everyone who’s phoned me up, I’ve told them we’re not trading at the moment.”9 -
He has the best excuse with the number of injuries we have suffered recently. It would be in the players interest to get a better calibre of player in as they no doubt have promotion bonuses in their contracts. Historically we have seen players drop there form to get managers sacked not because of a takeover and if they are playing poorly who would buy them?Henry Irving said:
Not necessarily.killerandflash said:
Slightly confused by this point. Why would form drop off because RD is selling? That makes no sense, surely most of the players would be delighted at the prospect of new owners, a few decent signings and a better atmosphere in the crowdcafc999 said:
KR also alluded that all of the squad got told before Christmas that RD was selling and since then form has dropped off.
New owners could mean a new manager who wants his own players so the current players could be dropped or sold.
Personally I think KR is using that as an excuse.0 -
KR is frustrated because of the lack of takeover. If it had happened in December, he's probably be able to get a few signings quickly over the line nowShootersHillGuru said:
I’m not so sure. It’s obvious Robinson isn’t a happy bunny and is very frustrated by not being able to sign his targets. That’s got to filter through to the players and I expect JJ and LB are equally concerned.killerandflash said:
Slightly confused by this point. Why would form drop off because RD is selling? That makes no sense, surely most of the players would be delighted at the prospect of new owners, a few decent signings and a better atmosphere in the crowdcafc999 said:
KR also alluded that all of the squad got told before Christmas that RD was selling and since then form has dropped off.
It’s a downward spiral once form drops and it’s obvious to everyone that the ship is currently rudderless. The club is in stasis and the situation needs resolving very soon otherwise it might well result in us looking over our shoulders which is ridiculous.
The thing I don't agree with is that the prospect of the takeover caused the problem in the first place. If RD hadn't put the club up for sale, would he instead have given KR money to sign players in January? It's somewhat unlikely....1 -
Unfortunately he hadn’t spent the previous three years on CL reading all about it.superclive98 said:
Are you having a laugh? "Absolutely no way he would have known what he was walking into.....". What about the evidence of the previous 3 years???Oakster said:It's kind of weird - I feel sorry for Robinson as there was absolutely no way he would have known what he was walking into when he jumped at the chance to take the job.
There just weren't any warning signs at all that Duchatalatet & Meire were totally incompetent in terms of running a football club.
They say "Buyer Beware" but in this case how could KR have known what a clusterf*ck this club is?
Remember at the time he gleefully joined he told us...
"The owner was very, very good in what he said to me,” he says. “Katrien has been phenomenal in everything I’ve asked. All the things I’d heard about [before I came], haven’t been the case. I think if you asked them both they’d say maybe they underestimated how things worked in England and that’s where things fell down a little bit.”
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A simple google search or a chat to any of his media mates may have get him fairly well informed what he was walking intoJamesSeed said:
Unfortunately he hasn’t spent the last three years on CL reading all about it.superclive98 said:
Are you having a laugh? "Absolutely no way he would have known what he was walking into.....". What about the evidence of the previous 3 years???Oakster said:It's kind of weird - I feel sorry for Robinson as there was absolutely no way he would have known what he was walking into when he jumped at the chance to take the job.
There just weren't any warning signs at all that Duchatalatet & Meire were totally incompetent in terms of running a football club.
They say "Buyer Beware" but in this case how could KR have known what a clusterf*ck this club is?
Remember at the time he gleefully joined he told us...
"The owner was very, very good in what he said to me,” he says. “Katrien has been phenomenal in everything I’ve asked. All the things I’d heard about [before I came], haven’t been the case. I think if you asked them both they’d say maybe they underestimated how things worked in England and that’s where things fell down a little bit.”2 -
How much did we all know about Wednesday’s predicament before the Owl opened up on here!?!
Not the same situ of course, but I think it’s a bit unrealistic to think he’d completely delve into fan issues/concerns before taking a job.
And I’m sure they here bitching from players and mangers about x clubs all the time do possibly take it with a pinch of salt, esp when you need a job and the club fits the bill.5 -
If I was taking a job, particularly manager of the football team, I'd make it my business to know.The Organiser said:How much did we all know about Wednesday’s predicament before the Owl opened up on here!?!
Not the same situ of course, but I think it’s a bit unrealistic to think he’d completely delve into fan issues/concerns before taking a job.
And I’m sure they here bitching from players and mangers about x clubs all the time do possibly take it with a pinch of salt, esp when you need a job and the club fits the bill.1 -
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Didn't he once comment that we were a basket case of a club whilst still at mkd?JamesSeed said:
Unfortunately he hasn’t spent the last three years on CL reading all about it.superclive98 said:
Are you having a laugh? "Absolutely no way he would have known what he was walking into.....". What about the evidence of the previous 3 years???Oakster said:It's kind of weird - I feel sorry for Robinson as there was absolutely no way he would have known what he was walking into when he jumped at the chance to take the job.
There just weren't any warning signs at all that Duchatalatet & Meire were totally incompetent in terms of running a football club.
They say "Buyer Beware" but in this case how could KR have known what a clusterf*ck this club is?
Remember at the time he gleefully joined he told us...
"The owner was very, very good in what he said to me,” he says. “Katrien has been phenomenal in everything I’ve asked. All the things I’d heard about [before I came], haven’t been the case. I think if you asked them both they’d say maybe they underestimated how things worked in England and that’s where things fell down a little bit.”
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I think if you watch the interview when he joined the club he done his research and openly admits that.se9addick said:
If I was taking a job, particularly manager of the football team, I'd make it my business to know.The Organiser said:How much did we all know about Wednesday’s predicament before the Owl opened up on here!?!
Not the same situ of course, but I think it’s a bit unrealistic to think he’d completely delve into fan issues/concerns before taking a job.
And I’m sure they here bitching from players and mangers about x clubs all the time do possibly take it with a pinch of salt, esp when you need a job and the club fits the bill.0 -
That's true, but by the time he took the Charlton job our protests had been splashed all over the media in this country several times over and made it onto the front cover of a Swedish football magazine and into the Italian press (and presumably other countries as well). He didn't need to "delve".The Organiser said:
Not the same situ of course, but I think it’s a bit unrealistic to think he’d completely delve into fan issues/concerns before taking a job.
And he was well aware of the situation anyway - widely quoted as describing us as a "basket case of a club" following his last visit with MK Dons.
He knew exactly what he was walking into.10 -
Can't really moan now then, can he?WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
I think if you watch the interview when he joined the club he done his research and openly admits that.se9addick said:
If I was taking a job, particularly manager of the football team, I'd make it my business to know.The Organiser said:How much did we all know about Wednesday’s predicament before the Owl opened up on here!?!
Not the same situ of course, but I think it’s a bit unrealistic to think he’d completely delve into fan issues/concerns before taking a job.
And I’m sure they here bitching from players and mangers about x clubs all the time do possibly take it with a pinch of salt, esp when you need a job and the club fits the bill.7 -
It’s also reasonable to assume that Robinson who has only ever managed at with no disrespect a very small club would jump at the chance to manage Charlton. No doubt he was spun the line by Daisy and RM and thought he could achieve something against his better judgement. That’s not a crime and all Karl can reasonably be accused of is being naive or perhaps overly confident in his own ability.
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Can’t get my head around the vitriol directed at KR. Sure he maybe says too much sometimes, but given the thing everyone was whining about last year was that no one at the club was being open and honest with fans... well you can’t have it both ways.
Yes he’s tactically rigid, but that is not justification for the hatred some direct his way. He’s trying to get the team playing a certain way, maybe you don’t agree with it, but when it works, and it has worked this season, it can produce some flowing attacking football that is very good to watch, and his team has been able to grind out some results with guts and good organization too.
Teams hit bad runs, it happens all the time, for a wide variety of reasons. The histrionics and childish name calling on here after every match we don’t win 4-0 is getting so tiresome. It’s like some of you only started watching football last week and have no understanding of the importance of confidence and how form ebbs and flows and can sometimes change dramatically almost over night. And you think this set of players looks like it doesn’t care, well you can’t have seen Dowie’s tam that took us out of the Prem, or Pardew’s team that took us out the Championship, or the horror show that was 2 seasons ago.
Roland is the enemy right now and always has been the one true evil, even a lot of the shit Meire got stick for only happened because he kept screwing her over. KR is saying what we all think, but some of you are now so determined to criticise anything and everything about the club that you will never be pleased with him.
It’s a mindset that bothers me because it won’t just disappear when a takeover finally happens because, while it will doubtless go away for the honeymoon period, at the first sign of difficulties under any new owner, which there will be because no club keeps winning forever, it’ll be back at the surface.58 -
Haven’t seen him moaning in the previous 13 months have you? Think he is an ambitious manager who wants to go up and is frustrated at the timing of everythingse9addick said:
Can't really moan now then, can he?WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
I think if you watch the interview when he joined the club he done his research and openly admits that.se9addick said:
If I was taking a job, particularly manager of the football team, I'd make it my business to know.The Organiser said:How much did we all know about Wednesday’s predicament before the Owl opened up on here!?!
Not the same situ of course, but I think it’s a bit unrealistic to think he’d completely delve into fan issues/concerns before taking a job.
And I’m sure they here bitching from players and mangers about x clubs all the time do possibly take it with a pinch of salt, esp when you need a job and the club fits the bill.4 -
Are you serious?Arsenetatters said:
This 100%. Get rid of the whole fucking lot of them and start again. This long drawn out 'death by takeover' is really really pissing me off.blackpool72 said:ROLAND OUT
Robinson OUT
We need a fresh start with all the smt gone
The takeover is what we've all been wanting for so long now. We've just learned that Roland does want to sell the club. It surely doesn't come as a surprise to you but it takes time to complete a multi million pound transaction.
You need to get real.
In a few months Roly will be gone. In the words of the great ex coach "be patient".
Ffs.0 -
Slightly confused by this point. Why would form drop off because RD is selling? That makes no sense, surely most of the players would be delighted at the prospect of new owners, a few decent signings and a better atmosphere in the crowd
Not necessarily.
New owners could mean a new manager who wants his own players so the current players could be dropped or sold.
Personally I think KR is using that as an excuse.
Agreed, Robinson certainly knows he's off IMO, one way or the other.
Pretty sure players like Holmes, Kashi, JFC would welcome new funding and additions, others like Marshall and Lennon will know their playing time would be gone.
For the record, I believe Robinson has earnt a few months with some money (if that were to be the case) as he's certainly the best we have had for some time.2 -
Robinson can't lose really. I doubt RD is in a position to sack him with a takeover so close and he probably expects any new owner(s) to sack him.
He does love to talk and he does irritate me at times but I'd like to see him given a bit of cash over the summer and see what he can do with it.5
