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Value of Club

drewmandrewman
in General Charlton
So the rumour is that RD is looking for £40m+ for the club, having paid £14m for it. Those are facts as I understand it? What I don't get is how the value of the club has tripled in four years when we are playing in a lower division with a diminished fanbase. I'm unaware what debts may have existed when the club was bought by RD and I have never got up to speed on the alleged debt to Staprix, but is there a simple fact I'm missing or is RD's valuation just completely unrealistic? Does he really want to sell or is he like the tradesman who doesn't really want the job so quotes way over the odds so he's either bonus quids in or gets turned down?

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  • carly burncarly burn
    Well. To run the club for the last however long he's been here does cost money. He has footed the bill for that..

    And he wants every last penny back..
  • drewmandrewman
    carly burn said:

    Well. To run the club for the last however long he's been here does cost money. He has footed the bill for that..

    And he wants every last penny back..

    Is that normal? My understanding is that owning most football clubs is like pouring money down the drain. We all know he thought he could do things differently and turn a profit so I guess this is him admitting he spectacularly failed and is trying to recoup his losses.
  • carly burncarly burn
    drewman said:

    carly burn said:

    Well. To run the club for the last however long he's been here does cost money. He has footed the bill for that..

    And he wants every last penny back..

    Is that normal? My understanding is that owning most football clubs is like pouring money down the drain. We all know he thought he could do things differently and turn a profit so I guess this is him admitting he spectacularly failed and is trying to recoup his losses.

    Yes. But Roland didn't view us as a football club. More one of his electronic manufacturing factories where he gets a return on all the money he puts in.
    People often say he bought the wrong club. But in reality he ventured into completely the wrong sector.
  • Rob7LeeRob7Lee
    edited January 2018
    about £8.70.

    Not sure how much is left in the protest fund but down to the casino on roulette, probably only need to guess the number twice in a row and we will probably have enough to buy Mad Dog off.
  • BedsaddickBedsaddick
    I’d say it’s worth a lot less than when he bought it .
  • eaststandmikeeaststandmike
    Two bob
  • CharltonKerryCharltonKerry
    The value of anything is simply what the buyer will pay for it.
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  • E_cafcE_cafc
    guinnessaddick said:

    E-cafc said:

    Buy a house, systematically trash it from day 1. Piss off the neighbours, drive away your friends and family, declare the history of the street irrelevant, sell the back garden and driveway, leave the roof full of holes so the rain pours in, then decide you don't want to live there anymore and demand 3 or 4 times what you paid for it.

    The Duchatelet way of thinking!

    That's not fair, he did improve the lawn.
    Yes he did but he failed to repair the boiler so everyone had to take cold showers.

  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    CharltonKerry said:

    The value of anything is simply what the buyer will pay for it.

    This.

    The Spivs were asking £35m the summer after we finished 9th. No one would pay it.

    Deloitte were said to have valued the club at the same time at around £22m IIRC

    The Spivs sold for £14m or £18m depending on the source because they were desperate.

    Duchatelet wants £50m because that's how much he's spent. That figure bears no relation to the value according to the prospective buyers hence the current stalemate on the sale.
  • guinnessaddickguinnessaddick
    The value of the club whilst Roland has it.
  • Covered EndCovered End
    I'm playing devil's advocate and trying to be more than fair to RD. He might, just might, have a case for say £35M.
    £18M was his purchase price
    £5M increase in freeholds when revalued prior to last accounts
    £3M for repaying the bank loan for the North Stand
    £2m spent on The Valley pitch & stadium improvements (these figures are estimates, I've not looked them up).
    £7M if ex director's loans need repaying.
  • Red_in_SE8Red_in_SE8
    Covered End said:

    I'm playing devil's advocate and trying to be more than fair to RD. He might, just might, have a case for say £35M.
    £18M was his purchase price
    £5M increase in freeholds when revalued prior to last accounts
    £3M for repaying the bank loan for the North Stand
    £2m spent on The Valley pitch & stadium improvements (these figures are estimates, I've not looked them up).
    £7M if ex director's loans need repaying.

    The increase in Premiership TV money during the last 4 years increases the value of any club with a realistic potential of winning promotion to the Premiership within the short to medium future.
  • HardyAddickHardyAddick
    Covered End said:

    I'm playing devil's advocate and trying to be more than fair to RD. He might, just might, have a case for say £35M.
    £18M was his purchase price
    £5M increase in freeholds when revalued prior to last accounts
    £3M for repaying the bank loan for the North Stand
    £2m spent on The Valley pitch & stadium improvements (these figures are estimates, I've not looked them up).
    £7M if ex director's loans need repaying.

    If ex directors loans are repaid in full by RD, £35M is about right as a maximum. We are though loosing about £500k pm which any buyer will have to factor in.
  • StigStig
    Owning a football club is the ultimate vanity-gamble. You lost Roland, pay up.
  • LenGloverLenGlover
    Henry Irving said:

    CharltonKerry said:

    The value of anything is simply what the buyer will pay for it.

    This.

    The Spivs were asking £35m the summer after we finished 9th. No one would pay it.

    Deloitte were said to have valued the club at the same time at around £22m IIRC

    The Spivs sold for £14m or £18m depending on the source because they were desperate.

    Duchatelet wants £50m because that's how much he's spent. That figure bears no relation to the value according to the prospective buyers hence the current stalemate on the sale.
    Therein lies the difference.

    Roland isn't desperate.
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    LenGlover said:

    Henry Irving said:

    CharltonKerry said:

    The value of anything is simply what the buyer will pay for it.

    This.

    The Spivs were asking £35m the summer after we finished 9th. No one would pay it.

    Deloitte were said to have valued the club at the same time at around £22m IIRC

    The Spivs sold for £14m or £18m depending on the source because they were desperate.

    Duchatelet wants £50m because that's how much he's spent. That figure bears no relation to the value according to the prospective buyers hence the current stalemate on the sale.
    Therein lies the difference.

    Roland isn't desperate.
    Unfortunately true.
  • nth_london_addicknth_london_addick
    LenGlover said:

    Henry Irving said:

    CharltonKerry said:

    The value of anything is simply what the buyer will pay for it.

    This.

    The Spivs were asking £35m the summer after we finished 9th. No one would pay it.

    Deloitte were said to have valued the club at the same time at around £22m IIRC

    The Spivs sold for £14m or £18m depending on the source because they were desperate.

    Duchatelet wants £50m because that's how much he's spent. That figure bears no relation to the value according to the prospective buyers hence the current stalemate on the sale.
    Therein lies the difference.

    Roland isn't desperate.

    nope he doesnt give 2 shits about how long it takes or what damage he does,
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  • Airman BrownAirman Brown
    edited January 2018
    Covered End said:

    I'm playing devil's advocate and trying to be more than fair to RD. He might, just might, have a case for say £35M.
    £18M was his purchase price
    £5M increase in freeholds when revalued prior to last accounts
    £3M for repaying the bank loan for the North Stand
    £2m spent on The Valley pitch & stadium improvements (these figures are estimates, I've not looked them up).
    £7M if ex director's loans need repaying.

    He bought the ex-directors loans, so they were priced in at the outset. I don’t see you can add them now. Ditto the bank debt.
  • Covered EndCovered End
    Airman Brown said:

    Covered End said:

    I'm playing devil's advocate and trying to be more than fair to RD. He might, just might, have a case for say £35M.
    £18M was his purchase price
    £5M increase in freeholds when revalued prior to last accounts
    £3M for repaying the bank loan for the North Stand
    £2m spent on The Valley pitch & stadium improvements (these figures are estimates, I've not looked them up).
    £7M if ex director's loans need repaying.

    He bought the ex-directors loans, so they were priced in at the outset. I don’t see you can add them now. Ditto the bank debt.
    Fair enough, knock off £10M then, but I forgot what has been spent on Sparrows Lane recently. So maybe £28M then ?
  • i_b_b_o_r_gi_b_b_o_r_g
    E-cafc said:

    Buy a house, systematically trash it from day 1. Piss off the neighbours, drive away your friends and family, declare the history of the street irrelevant, sell the back garden and driveway, leave the roof full of holes so the rain pours in, then decide you don't want to live there anymore and demand 3 or 4 times what you paid for it.

    The Duchatelet way of thinking!

    Get PC Property Damage in to do some repairs........

    @E-cafc ; )
  • E_cafcE_cafc
    That's after the repairs mate lol
  • AddicktedAddickted
    Covered End said:

    Airman Brown said:

    Covered End said:

    I'm playing devil's advocate and trying to be more than fair to RD. He might, just might, have a case for say £35M.
    £18M was his purchase price
    £5M increase in freeholds when revalued prior to last accounts
    £3M for repaying the bank loan for the North Stand
    £2m spent on The Valley pitch & stadium improvements (these figures are estimates, I've not looked them up).
    £7M if ex director's loans need repaying.

    He bought the ex-directors loans, so they were priced in at the outset. I don’t see you can add them now. Ditto the bank debt.
    Fair enough, knock off £10M then, but I forgot what has been spent on Sparrows Lane recently. So maybe £25.1M then ?
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