Well done CARD for putting a bit of pressure on RM but I think the following statement is going a bit too far. "We want a guarantee that if Konsa goes without a takeover then a significant part of the fee will be made available to Robinson to strengthen the team. We also want a timeline for takeover negotiations with clarity about whether a deal is possible or likely before the end of January"
CARD have zero chance of a "guarantee" any transfer money will be given to KR to strengthen and equally a timeline for takeover negotiations.
Sometimes you ask a question to get more information.
Sometimes you ask a question to expose the unwillingness to give information.
Exactly. Whilst nothing substantive may arise, either in terms of illuminating information on a takeover or commitments to January player recruitment, I honestly don't see any downside on exerting whatever pressure is possible.
If nothing else, a failure to adequately respond will demonstrate the bleeding obvious, i.e. at present there is no real game plan to getting out of league 1 again this season. and nor does RD have any desire to facilitate a timely takeover to allow us to build on the fact we are still sitting in a play-off position. As a result, why on earth should anyone commit to a half season ticket etc etc etc.
I can't see this making any difference. Starting to think that Murray knows about as much as we do. Roland will do what he always does and that's whatever the hell he likes
I would like RM to be sat next to Robbo when he meets the press on Thursday.
It would be the right thing for him to do IMO and I believe it is an acceptable way to communicate with us, the fans. The press can be relied upon to ask pertinent questions and to report what is said.
If RM does this or something very similar I would imagine CARD will call it all off. The ball is with RM.
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Do you not think that this is the objective, because it obviously is imo ?
So we have potential buyers of the club at the game on Saturday and then CARD come along with a pointless exercise as i think it is fair to say that not one person from the club will come out and make a statement, all what will happen is make a potential buyer think twice, surely it would be better to get behind the team, create an atmosphere and potential buyers thinking we could have something good here. Imagine selling a house would you let potential buyers view your property when the noisy neighbours are in or out. No logic whatsoever and will get no thanks from the management team.
Maybe just maybe it will force someone from the club apart from Robinson to make a statement about what's going on, even if it's before Saturday, as i'm sure they (club) wouldn't like a scene.
Do you really think that they will give you answers with people outside shouting. The only thing that will happen is that you prove that the club is currently toxic and if i was a buyer wouldn't touch it with a ten foot barge pole. Flip it to have a great atmosphere in the ground, and buyers would see the club as a good investment rather than anarchy in the car park wearing black and white.
But there won't be a great atmosphere in the ground. It's dying in there. Crowds are dwindling and that will only accelerate as Duchatelet sells the talent and refuses to sanction decent replacements. The whole club is irretrievably toxic under Duchatelet and he knows it, which is partly why he's looking for the exit route. A buyer will see the potential, including from the fans, and base a buying decision on that.
The reality is certain people have let it die by arranging boycotts and protests, it comes as no consequence that the club has been put up for sale after there has been no demonstrations. If, just if there were buyers on Saturday and they pulled out due to the protests whom would CARD blame then.?
I honestly don't think any potential buyer would be put off by the proposed "get together' on Saturday. Really why would they? I think it unlikely RD has only being waiting for a lull in demonstrations before being open to potential buyers. RD's dismal experiment with Charlton and the fans protests have been publicised far and wide. If the fans are demanding answers because this experiment is being prolonged whilst the ability to get promoted is torpedoed by a lack of appropriate recruitment in January, then any bidder with a feeling for football will understand exactly why fans are pushing for answers.
As I said in another response, while this may not result in an adequate response from Murray, I really don't see the downside. I think some on here are overstating the potential to deter buyers. If anything it demonstrates there is a passionate fanbase that wants success.
what can Murray tell the protesters, he does not own the club or put money into the club. I doubt Roland tells him very much about the take over if such is happening or if and when Roland sells players. Roland is an autocrat and feels he answers to no one.
He is the nominated go-between and Duchatelet has left him in charge - he still has a financial interest and is rumoured to have paid Leon Best's wages. If he doesn't know what to say he needs to speak to his boss or tell him he isn't being the fall-guy. He is a grown man, a successful businessman and a former Chairman of the club. I would expect him to understand enough about what is happening and why to answer some basic questions - if he doesn't he shouldn't have agreed to hold the fort when Meire ran off. They expectation Duchatelet set was that the takeover was imminent i.e. he was bothering to replace the Chief Exec or the Finance Director despite the transfer window being upon us and a supposed ambition to maintain a promotion push. It looks increasingly like there is zero ambition for promotion and the takeover may be some way off. Why has Holmes been sold so cheaply? Why couldn't we do a deal for Carruthers given the small sums involved? All assets can be traded in the takeover? What is the likely timeline at the moment for a takeover? This month, end of season, close season, never? If it's not soon, do we expect to recruit professionals to run the club again - Murray and Duchatelet aren't going to put the hours in? The club is slipping down the plughole and the remaining supporters (excepting the descendants of neville Chamberlain) are clearly bothered.
Then what’s the point mate even if it’s to drag Murray out to face the press what he says needs to be taken with the proverbial
It seems a pointless and senseless waste of energy and time , on the back of two straight wins and a point off the play offs , bitch face has gone the old bstd is selling
Things are on the up it’s time to enjoy it a bit more surely
I think this is the beginning of CARD (or at least some people within it) looking to force Murray out or at the very least try and dirty his name.
What's the plan if Murray comes out and says konsa and aribo are off and Roland will still be here at the end of the season
How about we wait to see if Murray does come out and says that? Easier to determine a strategy when there is communication I would have thought. Don't you agree?
Then what’s the point mate even if it’s to drag Murray out to face the press what he says needs to be taken with the proverbial
It seems a pointless and senseless waste of energy and time , on the back of two straight wins and a point off the play offs , bitch face has gone the old bstd is selling
Things are on the up it’s time to enjoy it a bit more surely
I don't know what your life experiences are, for example at work or say dealing with builders or god knows what else. Sometimes you set out on a course in order to get a reaction and potentially influence things. The alternative is you just sit and wait and say it is a pointless and senseless waste of energy to do anything. i don't think KR for one will have any problem with what is being proposed.
RD has just sold our best player for nothing, explicitly said that we can’t reinvest the money and still some continue to say we shouldn’t protest. Incredible.
Then what’s the point mate even if it’s to drag Murray out to face the press what he says needs to be taken with the proverbial
It seems a pointless and senseless waste of energy and time , on the back of two straight wins and a point off the play offs , bitch face has gone the old bstd is selling
Things are on the up it’s time to enjoy it a bit more surely
I think this is the beginning of CARD (or at least some people within it) looking to force Murray out or at the very least try and dirty his name.
Do you not think he's done a pretty good job of dirtying his own name over the last twelve years?
Then what’s the point mate even if it’s to drag Murray out to face the press what he says needs to be taken with the proverbial
It seems a pointless and senseless waste of energy and time , on the back of two straight wins and a point off the play offs , bitch face has gone the old bstd is selling
Things are on the up it’s time to enjoy it a bit more surely
I think this is the beginning of CARD (or at least some people within it) looking to force Murray out or at the very least try and dirty his name.
He has dirtied his own name without the need of any help from CARD or anyone else.
The only address I want from Murray is one stating he's removing himself from the board upon a successful takeover, and entering into his retirement to spend more time with loved ones.
I for one think this is a great idea. A gentle reminder that we are still unhappy with Roland and showing the perspective buyers the fan power potential
Unfortunately I cant get down for this but for those going on Saturday bring these along if you were lucky enough to get one. They don't expire until Roland has buggered off
The Meire related ones will require some alterations
As much as I cannot stand Roland, Saturday before a game to consolidate our 6th place is not time or place to protest.
The protests didn't affect the play previously and in fact we often had better results than when there were no protests. A car park protest shouldn't affect what goes on in the stadium.
At the height of the protests, I asked JJ if the protests were affecting play and he said they were not.
That Roland appears to be asset stripping is a great worry; the action planned on Saturday will bring to his and wider media attention our concerns over this, if nothing else.
Regrettably I can't be there on Saturday due to a planned family get together, but I fully support the action planned.
I would like RM to be sat next to Robbo when he meets the press on Thursday.
It would be the right thing for him to do IMO and I believe it is an acceptable way to communicate with us, the fans. The press can be relied upon to ask pertinent questions and to report what is said.
If RM does this or something very similar I would imagine CARD will call it all off. The ball is with RM.
Totally agree with this, as I think CARD may too? It would help if more press than the regular guys turned up, as they’re arguably more likely to ask difficult questions.
Only just seem this & not had time to read all the posts but surely we have to do something.
It will at least force RM to say something. No statement just shows how much he doesn't care. He will of course release something before Friday imo - wont say anything but CARD has to force RD's hand somehow..
The fact that we could get £4m for a player and NOTHING is re-invested into the team is tantamount to mismanagement.
As much as I cannot stand Roland, Saturday before a game to consolidate our 6th place is not time or place to protest.
So, when is?
I would say it is exactly the right time - in order to get into 6th place Billy Clarke, Ezri Konsa and Holmes made no small contribution - if you take them away without proper replacement do you really think our performance will improve in the 2nd half of the season?
"We want a guarantee that if Konsa goes without a takeover then a significant part of the fee will be made available to Robinson to strengthen the team"
I would be much stronger than "significant" - this is a meaningless concept to the dishonest.
I would be very happy just to keep quiet, wait patiently for the takeover to go through, support Robinson and the team in trying to get a top 6 finish and then promotion.
Provided 1. The takeover was guaranteed to go through no later than the end of April. 2. No more players will be sold this season. 3. Robinson is allowed to use the pre agreed wage budget to reinforce the team.
But there is no guarantee the takeover will definitely happen. He’s already sold Holmes and will certainly sell Konsa, possibly others. We have to wait and see if KR is allowed to bring loanees in.
On that basis, can we really just sit back and do nothing?
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If nothing else, a failure to adequately respond will demonstrate the bleeding obvious, i.e. at present there is no real game plan to getting out of league 1 again this season. and nor does RD have any desire to facilitate a timely takeover to allow us to build on the fact we are still sitting in a play-off position. As a result, why on earth should anyone commit to a half season ticket etc etc etc.
Why is it so important to get the questions answered
Rick tells everyone what they want to hear on here anyway
As I said in another response, while this may not result in an adequate response from Murray, I really don't see the downside. I think some on here are overstating the potential to deter buyers. If anything it demonstrates there is a passionate fanbase that wants success.
He knows he would be shouted out and abused.
So we will be chanting at a window
Unfortunately I cant get down for this but for those going on Saturday bring these along if you were lucky enough to get one. They don't expire until Roland has buggered off
The Meire related ones will require some alterations
At the height of the protests, I asked JJ if the protests were affecting play and he said they were not.
That Roland appears to be asset stripping is a great worry; the action planned on Saturday will bring to his and wider media attention our concerns over this, if nothing else.
Regrettably I can't be there on Saturday due to a planned family get together, but I fully support the action planned.
It will at least force RM to say something. No statement just shows how much he doesn't care. He will of course release something before Friday imo - wont say anything but CARD has to force RD's hand somehow..
The fact that we could get £4m for a player and NOTHING is re-invested into the team is tantamount to mismanagement.
I would be much stronger than "significant" - this is a meaningless concept to the dishonest.
Provided 1. The takeover was guaranteed to go through no later than the end of April. 2. No more players will be sold this season. 3. Robinson is allowed to use the pre agreed wage budget to reinforce the team.
But there is no guarantee the takeover will definitely happen. He’s already sold Holmes and will certainly sell Konsa, possibly others. We have to wait and see if KR is allowed to bring loanees in.
On that basis, can we really just sit back and do nothing?