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Phil Neville England Women's new coach

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  • SDAddick said:

    1. 2. Was there a similarly qualified and experienced Woman able to do the job? If so, who?

    Laura Harvey. Mark Parsons. Paul Riley. All three English. The latter two the last two winners of NWSL here in the States. Harvey a very well respected coach and former member of the England youth set up. These are just NWSL coaches that I can think of off the top of my head.

    So you listed 3 people only 1 is a women,
  • People are saying this issue that he is a male but unt got the right experience.

    MK Franchise just appointed a manager whose only experience is with a under 16 team

    Yet there is no uproar about that.

    And i can gurantee if the job was given to a women with no experience there would be ni uproar either
  • SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    I've just seen his tweets where he jokes about how he just beat his wife and how women should be in the kitchen in the morning making breakfast. Sounds like a lovely guy.

    Not everything posted on social media is meant to be literal. It's called humour.

    I very much doubt Neville is a wife beating misogynist.

    Get some perspective people ffs. Generation anxt.
    What's funny about beating your wife?
    There is nothing funny about beating your wife but he hasn't beaten his wife. Have you never said, for example, when your wife is going to give you a soaking with a hose 'do that and I'll give you a slap'. Doesn't mean you will and it's said in jest. I hate social media. Everything anyone says, or has said, gets picked over with a fine tooth comb. It's getting ridiculous. I read once Frank Lampard was asked what one piece of advice he'd give a young pro at Chelsea. Of all the advice he could give do you know what he said 'steer clear of social media'. How right he was.
    No because I come from an apparently very angsty generation where we don't joke about domestic violence because of all the domestic violence that currently goes on.

    From Women's Aide:
    For all those dismissing Neville’s tweets as harmless banter, the country’s leading domestic violence charity has a different – almost certainly better informed – take. Sian Hawkins, campaigns and public affairs manager at Women’s Aid, said: “This ‘banter’, when left unchallenged, can reaffirm outdated but still worryingly prevalent attitudes of men’s superiority over women. At the sharp end of that is domestic abuse. With an average of two women a week being killed by their partner or ex-partner in England and Wales, this isn’t just unfunny, it is extremely dangerous.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/24/fa-phil-neville-england-women-due-diligence-pr-mess
    I'd suggest wrapping yourself in tin foil and never entertain the thought of going to see a live comedian. At least not a funny one as you'll have a full body heamorrhage.

    Miranda will be safe. Book tickets to see Miranda. She treads around martyrs pretty well, but the trade off is the act is devoid of any humour.
    Is Phil Neville a stand-up or am I missing something? If he was he seems stuck in the 1970s with his comments about women - should appeal to quite a few on here.

    The FA are run by dinosaurs.
  • SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    I've just seen his tweets where he jokes about how he just beat his wife and how women should be in the kitchen in the morning making breakfast. Sounds like a lovely guy.

    Not everything posted on social media is meant to be literal. It's called humour.

    I very much doubt Neville is a wife beating misogynist.

    Get some perspective people ffs. Generation anxt.
    What's funny about beating your wife?
    There is nothing funny about beating your wife but he hasn't beaten his wife. Have you never said, for example, when your wife is going to give you a soaking with a hose 'do that and I'll give you a slap'. Doesn't mean you will and it's said in jest. I hate social media. Everything anyone says, or has said, gets picked over with a fine tooth comb. It's getting ridiculous. I read once Frank Lampard was asked what one piece of advice he'd give a young pro at Chelsea. Of all the advice he could give do you know what he said 'steer clear of social media'. How right he was.
    No because I come from an apparently very angsty generation where we don't joke about domestic violence because of all the domestic violence that currently goes on.

    From Women's Aide:
    For all those dismissing Neville’s tweets as harmless banter, the country’s leading domestic violence charity has a different – almost certainly better informed – take. Sian Hawkins, campaigns and public affairs manager at Women’s Aid, said: “This ‘banter’, when left unchallenged, can reaffirm outdated but still worryingly prevalent attitudes of men’s superiority over women. At the sharp end of that is domestic abuse. With an average of two women a week being killed by their partner or ex-partner in England and Wales, this isn’t just unfunny, it is extremely dangerous.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/24/fa-phil-neville-england-women-due-diligence-pr-mess
    I'd suggest wrapping yourself in tin foil and never entertain the thought of going to see a live comedian. At least not a funny one as you'll have a full body heamorrhage.

    Miranda will be safe. Book tickets to see Miranda. She treads around martyrs pretty well, but the trade off is the act is devoid of any humour.
    Is Phil Neville a stand-up or am I missing something? If he was he seems stuck in the 1970s with his comments about women - should appeal to quite a few on here.

    The FA are run by dinosaurs.
    So you're another that has taken the comments literally?

    Fortunately for the sensible of us out there we won't let the discourse for comedy be controlled by fun sponges.
  • SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    I've just seen his tweets where he jokes about how he just beat his wife and how women should be in the kitchen in the morning making breakfast. Sounds like a lovely guy.

    Not everything posted on social media is meant to be literal. It's called humour.

    I very much doubt Neville is a wife beating misogynist.

    Get some perspective people ffs. Generation anxt.
    What's funny about beating your wife?
    There is nothing funny about beating your wife but he hasn't beaten his wife. Have you never said, for example, when your wife is going to give you a soaking with a hose 'do that and I'll give you a slap'. Doesn't mean you will and it's said in jest. I hate social media. Everything anyone says, or has said, gets picked over with a fine tooth comb. It's getting ridiculous. I read once Frank Lampard was asked what one piece of advice he'd give a young pro at Chelsea. Of all the advice he could give do you know what he said 'steer clear of social media'. How right he was.
    No because I come from an apparently very angsty generation where we don't joke about domestic violence because of all the domestic violence that currently goes on.

    From Women's Aide:
    For all those dismissing Neville’s tweets as harmless banter, the country’s leading domestic violence charity has a different – almost certainly better informed – take. Sian Hawkins, campaigns and public affairs manager at Women’s Aid, said: “This ‘banter’, when left unchallenged, can reaffirm outdated but still worryingly prevalent attitudes of men’s superiority over women. At the sharp end of that is domestic abuse. With an average of two women a week being killed by their partner or ex-partner in England and Wales, this isn’t just unfunny, it is extremely dangerous.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/24/fa-phil-neville-england-women-due-diligence-pr-mess
    I'd suggest wrapping yourself in tin foil and never entertain the thought of going to see a live comedian. At least not a funny one as you'll have a full body heamorrhage.

    Miranda will be safe. Book tickets to see Miranda. She treads around martyrs pretty well, but the trade off is the act is devoid of any humour.
    Is Phil Neville a stand-up or am I missing something? If he was he seems stuck in the 1970s with his comments about women - should appeal to quite a few on here.

    The FA are run by dinosaurs.
    So you're another that has taken the comments literally?

    Fortunately for the sensible of us out there we won't let the discourse for comedy be controlled by fun sponges.
    I'm not taking them literally- I'm just saying they're pretty unfunny and you would have thought he'd have moved on. Posting stuff on social media is always dodgy if you're a public figure as it can be taken literally.

  • SDAddick said:

    1. 2. Was there a similarly qualified and experienced Woman able to do the job? If so, who?

    Laura Harvey. Mark Parsons. Paul Riley. All three English. The latter two the last two winners of NWSL here in the States. Harvey a very well respected coach and former member of the England youth set up. These are just NWSL coaches that I can think of off the top of my head.

    So you listed 3 people only 1 is a women,
    And there were two women who were on the short list - but they decided to pull out when they heard that background checks would be made. Was she one of them perhaps?
  • edited January 2018

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    I've just seen his tweets where he jokes about how he just beat his wife and how women should be in the kitchen in the morning making breakfast. Sounds like a lovely guy.

    Not everything posted on social media is meant to be literal. It's called humour.

    I very much doubt Neville is a wife beating misogynist.

    Get some perspective people ffs. Generation anxt.
    What's funny about beating your wife?
    There is nothing funny about beating your wife but he hasn't beaten his wife. Have you never said, for example, when your wife is going to give you a soaking with a hose 'do that and I'll give you a slap'. Doesn't mean you will and it's said in jest. I hate social media. Everything anyone says, or has said, gets picked over with a fine tooth comb. It's getting ridiculous. I read once Frank Lampard was asked what one piece of advice he'd give a young pro at Chelsea. Of all the advice he could give do you know what he said 'steer clear of social media'. How right he was.
    No because I come from an apparently very angsty generation where we don't joke about domestic violence because of all the domestic violence that currently goes on.

    From Women's Aide:
    For all those dismissing Neville’s tweets as harmless banter, the country’s leading domestic violence charity has a different – almost certainly better informed – take. Sian Hawkins, campaigns and public affairs manager at Women’s Aid, said: “This ‘banter’, when left unchallenged, can reaffirm outdated but still worryingly prevalent attitudes of men’s superiority over women. At the sharp end of that is domestic abuse. With an average of two women a week being killed by their partner or ex-partner in England and Wales, this isn’t just unfunny, it is extremely dangerous.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/24/fa-phil-neville-england-women-due-diligence-pr-mess
    I'd suggest wrapping yourself in tin foil and never entertain the thought of going to see a live comedian. At least not a funny one as you'll have a full body heamorrhage.

    Miranda will be safe. Book tickets to see Miranda. She treads around martyrs pretty well, but the trade off is the act is devoid of any humour.
    Is Phil Neville a stand-up or am I missing something? If he was he seems stuck in the 1970s with his comments about women - should appeal to quite a few on here.

    The FA are run by dinosaurs.
    So you're another that has taken the comments literally?

    Fortunately for the sensible of us out there we won't let the discourse for comedy be controlled by fun sponges.
    I'm not taking them literally- I'm just saying they're pretty unfunny and you would have thought he'd have moved on. Posting stuff on social media is always dodgy if you're a public figure as it can be taken literally.

    It's only 'dodgy' due to the way internet trolls and certain factions of society try to control the context behind what people say.

    Bill Burr does a brilliant piece on this that highlights the madness of it all.

    As for the 'moved on' bit, he had. It was others that dragged it all up again and applied their own context to what he said.
  • SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    I've just seen his tweets where he jokes about how he just beat his wife and how women should be in the kitchen in the morning making breakfast. Sounds like a lovely guy.

    Not everything posted on social media is meant to be literal. It's called humour.

    I very much doubt Neville is a wife beating misogynist.

    Get some perspective people ffs. Generation anxt.
    What's funny about beating your wife?
    There is nothing funny about beating your wife but he hasn't beaten his wife. Have you never said, for example, when your wife is going to give you a soaking with a hose 'do that and I'll give you a slap'. Doesn't mean you will and it's said in jest. I hate social media. Everything anyone says, or has said, gets picked over with a fine tooth comb. It's getting ridiculous. I read once Frank Lampard was asked what one piece of advice he'd give a young pro at Chelsea. Of all the advice he could give do you know what he said 'steer clear of social media'. How right he was.
    No because I come from an apparently very angsty generation where we don't joke about domestic violence because of all the domestic violence that currently goes on.

    From Women's Aide:
    For all those dismissing Neville’s tweets as harmless banter, the country’s leading domestic violence charity has a different – almost certainly better informed – take. Sian Hawkins, campaigns and public affairs manager at Women’s Aid, said: “This ‘banter’, when left unchallenged, can reaffirm outdated but still worryingly prevalent attitudes of men’s superiority over women. At the sharp end of that is domestic abuse. With an average of two women a week being killed by their partner or ex-partner in England and Wales, this isn’t just unfunny, it is extremely dangerous.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/24/fa-phil-neville-england-women-due-diligence-pr-mess
    I'd suggest wrapping yourself in tin foil and never entertain the thought of going to see a live comedian. At least not a funny one as you'll have a full body heamorrhage.

    Miranda will be safe. Book tickets to see Miranda. She treads around martyrs pretty well, but the trade off is the act is devoid of any humour.
    Is Phil Neville a stand-up or am I missing something? If he was he seems stuck in the 1970s with his comments about women - should appeal to quite a few on here.

    The FA are run by dinosaurs.
    So you're another that has taken the comments literally?

    Fortunately for the sensible of us out there we won't let the discourse for comedy be controlled by fun sponges.
    I'm not taking them literally- I'm just saying they're pretty unfunny and you would have thought he'd have moved on. Posting stuff on social media is always dodgy if you're a public figure as it can be taken literally.

    It's only 'dodgy' due to the way internet trolls and certain factions of society try to control the context behind what people say.

    Bill Burr does a brilliant piece on this that highlights the madness of it all.

    As for the 'moved on' bit, he had. It was others that dragged it all up again and applied their own context to what he said.
    When I say 'moved on' I mean in terms of humour - he seems stuck in the 70s. It's not the brightest thing to make jokes about domestic violence on social media.

    Whether you like it or not social media is in the public domain and as a public figure you have to be wary of giving people ammunition.
  • I'm disgusted by Neville's tweets.

    He missed out hovering and ironing.
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  • SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    I've just seen his tweets where he jokes about how he just beat his wife and how women should be in the kitchen in the morning making breakfast. Sounds like a lovely guy.

    Not everything posted on social media is meant to be literal. It's called humour.

    I very much doubt Neville is a wife beating misogynist.

    Get some perspective people ffs. Generation anxt.
    What's funny about beating your wife?
    There is nothing funny about beating your wife but he hasn't beaten his wife. Have you never said, for example, when your wife is going to give you a soaking with a hose 'do that and I'll give you a slap'. Doesn't mean you will and it's said in jest. I hate social media. Everything anyone says, or has said, gets picked over with a fine tooth comb. It's getting ridiculous. I read once Frank Lampard was asked what one piece of advice he'd give a young pro at Chelsea. Of all the advice he could give do you know what he said 'steer clear of social media'. How right he was.
    No because I come from an apparently very angsty generation where we don't joke about domestic violence because of all the domestic violence that currently goes on.

    From Women's Aide:
    For all those dismissing Neville’s tweets as harmless banter, the country’s leading domestic violence charity has a different – almost certainly better informed – take. Sian Hawkins, campaigns and public affairs manager at Women’s Aid, said: “This ‘banter’, when left unchallenged, can reaffirm outdated but still worryingly prevalent attitudes of men’s superiority over women. At the sharp end of that is domestic abuse. With an average of two women a week being killed by their partner or ex-partner in England and Wales, this isn’t just unfunny, it is extremely dangerous.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/24/fa-phil-neville-england-women-due-diligence-pr-mess
    I'd suggest wrapping yourself in tin foil and never entertain the thought of going to see a live comedian. At least not a funny one as you'll have a full body heamorrhage.

    Miranda will be safe. Book tickets to see Miranda. She treads around martyrs pretty well, but the trade off is the act is devoid of any humour.
    Is Phil Neville a stand-up or am I missing something? If he was he seems stuck in the 1970s with his comments about women - should appeal to quite a few on here.

    The FA are run by dinosaurs.
    So you're another that has taken the comments literally?

    Fortunately for the sensible of us out there we won't let the discourse for comedy be controlled by fun sponges.
    I'm not taking them literally- I'm just saying they're pretty unfunny and you would have thought he'd have moved on. Posting stuff on social media is always dodgy if you're a public figure as it can be taken literally.

    It's only 'dodgy' due to the way internet trolls and certain factions of society try to control the context behind what people say.

    Bill Burr does a brilliant piece on this that highlights the madness of it all.

    As for the 'moved on' bit, he had. It was others that dragged it all up again and applied their own context to what he said.
    When I say 'moved on' I mean in terms of humour - he seems stuck in the 70s. It's not the brightest thing to make jokes about domestic violence on social media.

    Whether you like it or not social media is in the public domain and as a public figure you have to be wary of giving people ammunition.
    Those jokes are alive and well in 2018, thankfully.

    Check out Bill Burr, Jimmy Jeffries, Kevin Hart and Dave Chapelle who are, in my eyes, the best out there. They must all be stuck in a 70's timewarp as well.
  • The tweet about beating his wife was from a parody account!!!
  • The tweet about beating his wife was from a parody account!!!

    Irrelevant. It's already been decided that he's in the wrong. The social media thought police have spoken and their far fetched opinions are final.

    Can we please just not accept that jokes are only funny if the subject matter has never happened and that nobody has ever been caught up in a bad situation that then leads to a potential joke being made around that given subject?
  • Am I allowed to say to my wife that I will draw her a map to the kitchen? Or is that demeaning? Or is it demeaning that I do the vast majority of the cooking?

    God I'm confused about all of this.
  • SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    I've just seen his tweets where he jokes about how he just beat his wife and how women should be in the kitchen in the morning making breakfast. Sounds like a lovely guy.

    Not everything posted on social media is meant to be literal. It's called humour.

    I very much doubt Neville is a wife beating misogynist.

    Get some perspective people ffs. Generation anxt.
    What's funny about beating your wife?
    There is nothing funny about beating your wife but he hasn't beaten his wife. Have you never said, for example, when your wife is going to give you a soaking with a hose 'do that and I'll give you a slap'. Doesn't mean you will and it's said in jest. I hate social media. Everything anyone says, or has said, gets picked over with a fine tooth comb. It's getting ridiculous. I read once Frank Lampard was asked what one piece of advice he'd give a young pro at Chelsea. Of all the advice he could give do you know what he said 'steer clear of social media'. How right he was.
    No because I come from an apparently very angsty generation where we don't joke about domestic violence because of all the domestic violence that currently goes on.

    From Women's Aide:
    For all those dismissing Neville’s tweets as harmless banter, the country’s leading domestic violence charity has a different – almost certainly better informed – take. Sian Hawkins, campaigns and public affairs manager at Women’s Aid, said: “This ‘banter’, when left unchallenged, can reaffirm outdated but still worryingly prevalent attitudes of men’s superiority over women. At the sharp end of that is domestic abuse. With an average of two women a week being killed by their partner or ex-partner in England and Wales, this isn’t just unfunny, it is extremely dangerous.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/24/fa-phil-neville-england-women-due-diligence-pr-mess
    I'd suggest wrapping yourself in tin foil and never entertain the thought of going to see a live comedian. At least not a funny one as you'll have a full body heamorrhage.

    Miranda will be safe. Book tickets to see Miranda. She treads around martyrs pretty well, but the trade off is the act is devoid of any humour.
    Is Phil Neville a stand-up or am I missing something? If he was he seems stuck in the 1970s with his comments about women - should appeal to quite a few on here.

    The FA are run by dinosaurs.
    So you're another that has taken the comments literally?

    Fortunately for the sensible of us out there we won't let the discourse for comedy be controlled by fun sponges.
    I'm not taking them literally- I'm just saying they're pretty unfunny and you would have thought he'd have moved on. Posting stuff on social media is always dodgy if you're a public figure as it can be taken literally.

    It's only 'dodgy' due to the way internet trolls and certain factions of society try to control the context behind what people say.

    Bill Burr does a brilliant piece on this that highlights the madness of it all.

    As for the 'moved on' bit, he had. It was others that dragged it all up again and applied their own context to what he said.
    When I say 'moved on' I mean in terms of humour - he seems stuck in the 70s. It's not the brightest thing to make jokes about domestic violence on social media.

    Whether you like it or not social media is in the public domain and as a public figure you have to be wary of giving people ammunition.
    Those jokes are alive and well in 2018, thankfully.

    Check out Bill Burr, Jimmy Jeffries, Kevin Hart and Dave Chapelle who are, in my eyes, the best out there. They must all be stuck in a 70's timewarp as well.
    If Phil Neville was a stand-up then there wouldn't be the debate but he's not and instead is an FA representative. Whether you like it or not that entails being careful what you say - that's part of the remit.

    Some humour to me does seem stuck in the 70s - attitudes change. We all find different stuff funny and some stuff plain tedious.

    I prefer stuff that's original or makes a point - I don't particularly rate the gems of Phil Neville.
    His material is a bit tired?

  • SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    I've just seen his tweets where he jokes about how he just beat his wife and how women should be in the kitchen in the morning making breakfast. Sounds like a lovely guy.

    Not everything posted on social media is meant to be literal. It's called humour.

    I very much doubt Neville is a wife beating misogynist.

    Get some perspective people ffs. Generation anxt.
    Oh tell me more about these jokes you speak of.

    What's funny about beating your wife?
    Deary me.
  • The tweet about beating his wife was from a parody account!!!

    His verified account if the screenshots here are genuine http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-5306989/Phil-Neville-says-sorry-sexist-tweets.html
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  • edited January 2018

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    I've just seen his tweets where he jokes about how he just beat his wife and how women should be in the kitchen in the morning making breakfast. Sounds like a lovely guy.

    Not everything posted on social media is meant to be literal. It's called humour.

    I very much doubt Neville is a wife beating misogynist.

    Get some perspective people ffs. Generation anxt.
    What's funny about beating your wife?
    There is nothing funny about beating your wife but he hasn't beaten his wife. Have you never said, for example, when your wife is going to give you a soaking with a hose 'do that and I'll give you a slap'. Doesn't mean you will and it's said in jest. I hate social media. Everything anyone says, or has said, gets picked over with a fine tooth comb. It's getting ridiculous. I read once Frank Lampard was asked what one piece of advice he'd give a young pro at Chelsea. Of all the advice he could give do you know what he said 'steer clear of social media'. How right he was.
    No because I come from an apparently very angsty generation where we don't joke about domestic violence because of all the domestic violence that currently goes on.

    From Women's Aide:
    For all those dismissing Neville’s tweets as harmless banter, the country’s leading domestic violence charity has a different – almost certainly better informed – take. Sian Hawkins, campaigns and public affairs manager at Women’s Aid, said: “This ‘banter’, when left unchallenged, can reaffirm outdated but still worryingly prevalent attitudes of men’s superiority over women. At the sharp end of that is domestic abuse. With an average of two women a week being killed by their partner or ex-partner in England and Wales, this isn’t just unfunny, it is extremely dangerous.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/24/fa-phil-neville-england-women-due-diligence-pr-mess
    I'd suggest wrapping yourself in tin foil and never entertain the thought of going to see a live comedian. At least not a funny one as you'll have a full body heamorrhage.

    Miranda will be safe. Book tickets to see Miranda. She treads around martyrs pretty well, but the trade off is the act is devoid of any humour.
    Is Phil Neville a stand-up or am I missing something? If he was he seems stuck in the 1970s with his comments about women - should appeal to quite a few on here.

    The FA are run by dinosaurs.
    So you're another that has taken the comments literally?

    Fortunately for the sensible of us out there we won't let the discourse for comedy be controlled by fun sponges.
    I'm not taking them literally- I'm just saying they're pretty unfunny and you would have thought he'd have moved on. Posting stuff on social media is always dodgy if you're a public figure as it can be taken literally.

    It's only 'dodgy' due to the way internet trolls and certain factions of society try to control the context behind what people say.

    Bill Burr does a brilliant piece on this that highlights the madness of it all.

    As for the 'moved on' bit, he had. It was others that dragged it all up again and applied their own context to what he said.
    When I say 'moved on' I mean in terms of humour - he seems stuck in the 70s. It's not the brightest thing to make jokes about domestic violence on social media.

    Whether you like it or not social media is in the public domain and as a public figure you have to be wary of giving people ammunition.
    Those jokes are alive and well in 2018, thankfully.

    Check out Bill Burr, Jimmy Jeffries, Kevin Hart and Dave Chapelle who are, in my eyes, the best out there. They must all be stuck in a 70's timewarp as well.
    If Phil Neville was a stand-up then there wouldn't be the debate but he's not and instead is an FA representative. Whether you like it or not that entails being careful what you say - that's part of the remit.

    Some humour to me does seem stuck in the 70s - attitudes change. We all find different stuff funny and some stuff plain tedious.

    I prefer stuff that's original or makes a point - I don't particularly rate the gems of Phil Neville.
    His material is a bit tired?

    Whether you like it or not, people outside the circle of comedians can crack jokes. You don't have to find them funny. As you highlight, humour is subjective.

    I don't know Phil's full repertoire of comedy so can't comment on his material being tired or not. All I've got to go on is one off the cuff comment that made me chuckle. I wouldn't want to judge his entire back catalogue until I'd had the pleasure of reading/listening to it all.

    My comedy tastes are very much like yours. However, mine also expands to very close to the bone comedy and even some dark humour. Why? because I realise that it's only comedy and there are very few subjects that are off limits when it comes to comedy. Comedy is a pretty much a free arena. The day that gets curtailed because some people don't like the context they themselves have applied to someone elses joke is the day that comedy dies.
  • Macronate said:

    I'm disgusted by Neville's tweets.

    He missed out hovering and ironing.

    Are you stuck in the 70's or what? There's absolutely no reason why anyone would find that sort of comment funny. I know this because there's a set, defined chart that demonstrates what constitutes as humour in 2018.

    You, my friend, were way off the chart. Internalise what I've just said and strive to be better.
    How dare you accuse me of being stuck in the 70s.

    When I've finished listening to this Bee Gees album tape playing on my Ford Capri car radio, I'll respond in more detail.
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    My my Miss American pie"
  • Scoham said:

    The tweet about beating his wife was from a parody account!!!

    His verified account if the screenshots here are genuine http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-5306989/Phil-Neville-says-sorry-sexist-tweets.html
    Fair enough. So has anyone asked his wife how she feels about the joke? Or his sister who the other tweet was aimed at?

  • SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    I've just seen his tweets where he jokes about how he just beat his wife and how women should be in the kitchen in the morning making breakfast. Sounds like a lovely guy.

    Not everything posted on social media is meant to be literal. It's called humour.

    I very much doubt Neville is a wife beating misogynist.

    Get some perspective people ffs. Generation anxt.
    What's funny about beating your wife?
    There is nothing funny about beating your wife but he hasn't beaten his wife. Have you never said, for example, when your wife is going to give you a soaking with a hose 'do that and I'll give you a slap'. Doesn't mean you will and it's said in jest. I hate social media. Everything anyone says, or has said, gets picked over with a fine tooth comb. It's getting ridiculous. I read once Frank Lampard was asked what one piece of advice he'd give a young pro at Chelsea. Of all the advice he could give do you know what he said 'steer clear of social media'. How right he was.
    No because I come from an apparently very angsty generation where we don't joke about domestic violence because of all the domestic violence that currently goes on.

    From Women's Aide:
    For all those dismissing Neville’s tweets as harmless banter, the country’s leading domestic violence charity has a different – almost certainly better informed – take. Sian Hawkins, campaigns and public affairs manager at Women’s Aid, said: “This ‘banter’, when left unchallenged, can reaffirm outdated but still worryingly prevalent attitudes of men’s superiority over women. At the sharp end of that is domestic abuse. With an average of two women a week being killed by their partner or ex-partner in England and Wales, this isn’t just unfunny, it is extremely dangerous.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/24/fa-phil-neville-england-women-due-diligence-pr-mess
    I'd suggest wrapping yourself in tin foil and never entertain the thought of going to see a live comedian. At least not a funny one as you'll have a full body heamorrhage.

    Miranda will be safe. Book tickets to see Miranda. She treads around martyrs pretty well, but the trade off is the act is devoid of any humour.
    Is Phil Neville a stand-up or am I missing something? If he was he seems stuck in the 1970s with his comments about women - should appeal to quite a few on here.

    The FA are run by dinosaurs.
    So you're another that has taken the comments literally?

    Fortunately for the sensible of us out there we won't let the discourse for comedy be controlled by fun sponges.
    I'm not taking them literally- I'm just saying they're pretty unfunny and you would have thought he'd have moved on. Posting stuff on social media is always dodgy if you're a public figure as it can be taken literally.

    It's only 'dodgy' due to the way internet trolls and certain factions of society try to control the context behind what people say.

    Bill Burr does a brilliant piece on this that highlights the madness of it all.

    As for the 'moved on' bit, he had. It was others that dragged it all up again and applied their own context to what he said.
    When I say 'moved on' I mean in terms of humour - he seems stuck in the 70s. It's not the brightest thing to make jokes about domestic violence on social media.

    Whether you like it or not social media is in the public domain and as a public figure you have to be wary of giving people ammunition.
    Those jokes are alive and well in 2018, thankfully.

    Check out Bill Burr, Jimmy Jeffries, Kevin Hart and Dave Chapelle who are, in my eyes, the best out there. They must all be stuck in a 70's timewarp as well.
    If Phil Neville was a stand-up then there wouldn't be the debate but he's not and instead is an FA representative. Whether you like it or not that entails being careful what you say - that's part of the remit.

    Some humour to me does seem stuck in the 70s - attitudes change. We all find different stuff funny and some stuff plain tedious.

    I prefer stuff that's original or makes a point - I don't particularly rate the gems of Phil Neville.
    His material is a bit tired?

    Whether you like it or not, people outside the circle of comedians can crack jokes. You don't have to find them funny. As you highlight, humour is subjective.

    I don't know Phil's full repertoire of comedy so can't comment on his material being tired or not. All I've got to go on is one off the cuff comment that made me chuckle. I wouldn't want to judge his entire back catalogue until I'd had the pleasure of reading/listening to it all.

    My comedy tastes are very much like yours. However, mine also expands to very close to the bone comedy and even some dark humour. Why? because I realise that it's only comedy and there are very few subjects that are off limits when it comes to comedy. Comedy is a pretty much a free arena. The day that gets curtailed because some people don't like the context they themselves have applied to someone else joke is the day that comedy dies.

    ........"and I was singing
    My my Miss American pie"

  • Whether the "joke" was funny or not it's just daft to put things like that on social media when you're in the public eye. Just opens you up to criticism.
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