AKA Bartram bang on the money. Where does this ‘being offended on behalf of others’ culture end?? I hate to think how sanitised our world will be in another 10 years!
Says the person who is being offended on behalf of a pit girl.
I'm offended regularly - spend a lot of my time issuing threats on Twitter.
I think it's ridiculous. I know the world moves on, we develop, attitudes change. But this is ridiculous.
I mean, here's a few important points:
1. No-one FORCES them to do it 2. They LOVE what they're doing and, frankly, if they weren't doing it, they would just be at home and miserable 3. They get PAID for it 4. What ELSE can they do to earn money? 5. We should STOP telling them what they can and can't do 6. No-one has ASKED them whether they want to carry on doing it 7. How ELSE are we going to be able to keep the chimneys clean?
Why can't these children - who aren't doing anyone any harm - be allowed to carry on doing what they're good at? It's PC gone mad. That's about the level of the argument, isn't it?
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Promotional models are like sending 10 year olds up a chimney
Jesus wept from god on high
Six of those seven "arguments" have been promulgated on this thread.
I've just arksed 10, 10 year old chimney sweeps in my office, if they like going up the chimney and they said yeah, but because of gas central heating, they're out of a job.
A very important issue and glad that it's getting lots of coverage. Nobody seems to have spoken to the darts players and drivers about how they're going to manage going forward. The girls performed an invaluable role and to take them away could destroy these sports.
Sick to death of the PC, Feminazi, lesbian, transgender, lentil eating, sandal wearing, Guardian reading, C4 watching liberal elite in this country who seem intent on destroying basic freedoms and driving people out of work.
I'm going to boycott the darts and F1 in protest - these so called sports are dead to me. When will it all end?
You're right, @hoof_it_up_to_benty I think you really should go ahead and boycott the darts and F1 in protest. But to make sure you really stick it to the PC, Feminazi, transgender, lentil eating, sandal wearing, Guardian reading, C4 watching liberal elites that have made these outrageous decisions why don't you email them as well? In fact, to make it easy for you, I have listed them for you:
Liberty Media (owners of F1) Dr John Malone, Chairman Gregory Maffei, President and CEO Richard Baer, Chief Legal Officer Mark Carleton, Chief Financial Officer Albert Rosenthaler, Chief Corporate Development Officer
Professional Darts Corporation Barry Hearn, Chairman Matthew Porter, Chief Executive Rod Harrington, Diretor Eddie Hearn, Director Edward Lowy, Director Marcus Robertson, Director Bob Scott, Director Graham Fairhurst, Tournament Director
A very important issue and glad that it's getting lots of coverage. Nobody seems to have spoken to the darts players and drivers about how they're going to manage going forward. The girls performed an invaluable role and to take them away could destroy these sports.
Sick to death of the PC, Feminazi, lesbian, transgender, lentil eating, sandal wearing, Guardian reading, C4 watching liberal elite in this country who seem intent on destroying basic freedoms and driving people out of work.
I'm going to boycott the darts and F1 in protest - these so called sports are dead to me. When will it all end?
You're right, @hoof_it_up_to_benty I think you really should go ahead and boycott the darts and F1 in protest. But to make sure you really stick it to the PC, Feminazi, transgender, lentil eating, sandal wearing, Guardian reading, C4 watching liberal elites that have made these outrageous decisions why don't you email them as well? In fact, to make it easy for you, I have listed them for you:
Liberty Media (owners of F1) Dr John Malone, Chairman Gregory Maffei, President and CEO Richard Baer, Chief Legal Officer Mark Carleton, Chief Financial Officer Albert Rosenthaler, Chief Corporate Development Officer
Professional Darts Corporation Barry Hearn, Chairman Matthew Porter, Chief Executive Rod Harrington, Diretor Eddie Hearn, Director Edward Lowy, Director Marcus Robertson, Director Bob Scott, Director Graham Fairhurst, Tournament Director
I prefer making anonymous threats on Twitter if that's okay with you - it's more my style.
I worry for darts players having to walk up to the stage on their own - it won't end well. I hope the PC brigade are happy....
Find it all a bit pathetic but sadly it’s the way things are going.
Of course the use of ‘glamour girls’ are not necessary to any sporting occasion. But then again nor are MC’s, music, fireworks, mascots, dancers, hospitality, food and drinks, commentators and all other aspects that add to ‘the package’, whether that’s attending ot or watching at home.
We are heading for an age of fear and blandness. Let’s hope equality really is applied. I look forward to watching a prime time family entertainment programme like Take Me Out where a bloke doesn’t have to take his shirt off for 30 women to ogle and pass comment on his body. Or Loose Women where they have the butlers in the buff on.
But that’s all a bit of harmless fun, isn’t it?
It's very shit the other way round too, AFKA. The problem is, however, more widespread when it comes to women - and it's also worth considering men would much more easily be able to put a stop to any sexist overtures than women (physical power etc).
This is why misogyny is IMO worse - women don't feel powerful enough, in a sort of primal sense, to be able to stop it. It's changing, though, and that can only be a good thing.
This hardly applies to the girls at the darts or F1 though does it because by the looks of it they enjoy what they do. Turing up at an event once a week, getting glammed up, parading around and being admired and getting paid for it is not the same as going into the office 5 x days a week and doing a job the guy sitting next to you gets paid double for.
F1 & the darts have dropped the girls because of pressure form the PC brigade and what is going on in the film industry.
People are running scared and as AFKA said we are heading into fear and blandness when we should be having a bit of fun.
I am sick to death of people being offended on my behalf.
I agree that it doesn't really apply in this context. I was responding to AFKA's wider point about how it cuts both ways (please don't misrepresent my points).
Some belting comments, mainly from people who claim not to care. The Sex industry isn't closing down, if you're into that and which red blooded male isn't? There's places for it. Female pornstars earn more than men btw and do less work! Funny enough if you ask pornstars if they enjoy their job they'll say yes as well, who is claiming they don't? Watching 2 people, especially females, beat each other from piller to post followed by people wolf whistling at women with their arses hanging out waving cards is pretty creepy. Darts with the dresses and sashes and that formula one lady posted above I don't see the issue with. Introducing ring men could be an alternative route to inequality of so many people aren't please with this.
Why are you lumping this in with the sex industry? I genuinely don't know any bloke who would get off on seeing pit girls etc. in the same way they would from watching porn. Personally speaking, I can stand strippers, for example, and find it embarrassing to the point I stopped using The Horse when he got em in on a Friday afternoon.
My problem with this decision is that it's taking the decision away from those who are involved imo. If they were struggling to find women to do it, then I could understand it, but they obviously ain't. Women, and men, who are used in promotional work are always good looking, fit people. Are they all being objectified?
This summarises it perfect to me. Taking the Girls off things like darts does not impact the viewers as they are there for darts/ piss up, just one of those things that adds to the occasion, get a classy / nice woman to walk on.They are still wearing clothes and they have done it out of choice.
This world really everyone does go overboard and worry about the silliest things and don't look at the repercussions of those that are affected.
I think it's ridiculous. I know the world moves on, we develop, attitudes change. But this is ridiculous.
I mean, here's a few important points:
1. No-one FORCES them to do it 2. They LOVE what they're doing and, frankly, if they weren't doing it, they would just be at home and miserable 3. They get PAID for it 4. What ELSE can they do to earn money? 5. We should STOP telling them what they can and can't do 6. No-one has ASKED them whether they want to carry on doing it 7. How ELSE are we going to be able to keep the chimneys clean?
Why can't these children - who aren't doing anyone any harm - be allowed to carry on doing what they're good at? It's PC gone mad. That's about the level of the argument, isn't it?
Yeah but the little b******s would keep me up all night by singing on the roofs
But the point is, the ugly bitter women had absoluely nothing to do with the decision. It was one of a number of decisions made by F1s new owners Liberty Media and they linked this decision with their company values. What is very interesting is how the blame has been aimed at people nobody can name and if they could, are unlikely to be people Liberty Media would be too bothered about.
If you are not happy with the decision, blame Liberty Media. Whilst I do not argue that there are feminists in the world, it is very interesting how people can be led to get so agitated at a group of people that if they existed as they are described by people who don't know them, couldn't be more different from the people who made the actual decision. It is much more interesting than the subject really.
So there was no pressure or original complaint from feminists? The F1 boss went to bed one night with grid girls on the payroll then woke up the next morning and decided it’s sexist?
But the point is, the ugly bitter women had absoluely nothing to do with the decision. It was one of a number of decisions made by F1s new owners Liberty Media and they linked this decision with their company values. What is very interesting is how the blame has been aimed at people nobody can name and if they could, are unlikely to be people Liberty Media would be too bothered about.
If you are not happy with the decision, blame Liberty Media. Whilst I do not argue that there are feminists in the world, it is very interesting how people can be led to get so agitated at a group of people that if they existed as they are described by people who don't know them, couldn't be more different from the people who made the actual decision. It is much more interesting than the subject really.
You're making the argument for people being well informed - is there any place for that in this debate?
No, when they bought F1 they said they would review this and a number of other areas. And the decision was made by a small number of very rich, male, middle aged company bosses. But if you want to invent a scenario and rabble rouse, blaming people you don't like, be my guest.
No, when they bought F1 they said they would review this and a number of other areas. And the decision was made by a small number of very rich, male, middle aged company bosses. But if you want to invent a scenario and rabble rouse, blaming people you don't like, be my guest.
Hahaha you actually believe feminists played no role in any of this, my word.
So there was no pressure or original complaint from feminists? The F1 boss went to bed one night with grid girls on the payroll then woke up the next morning and decided it’s sexist?
I think It's best you blame feminists if it makes you happy. Are they responsible for global warming as well?
Couldn't be that important to them or their values for it to take 16 months to make the decision. Doesn't require much change management does it?
"Hey girls women, you're not the type of person we want involved in our business, you don't match our values- you're not needed anymore."
Huge rebrand happening this year, they took a season to look at what they had, and are now changing things, including the visual jewellery for the hard of thinking
No, when they bought F1 they said they would review this and a number of other areas. And the decision was made by a small number of very rich, male, middle aged company bosses. But if you want to invent a scenario and rabble rouse, blaming people you don't like, be my guest.
Hahaha you actually believe feminists played no role in any of this, my word.
Well the people who own Liberty Media may be feminists, but they are just not the caricature of feminists some may want to portray. I say they may be feminists in the respect that they feel personally uncomfortable with women being used in this way in their sport. I mean different people may have different views of what a feminist actually is. Some men do feel uncomfortable about this unbelievably - but they are businessmen, not dungaree wearing lesbians.
And yes, they bought F1 in 2016 and it probably wasn't at the top of their list. Which only supports my point.
No, when they bought F1 they said they would review this and a number of other areas. And the decision was made by a small number of very rich, male, middle aged company bosses. But if you want to invent a scenario and rabble rouse, blaming people you don't like, be my guest.
So there was no pressure or original complaint from feminists? The F1 boss went to bed one night with grid girls on the payroll then woke up the next morning and decided it’s sexist?
I think It's best you blame feminists if it makes you happy. Are they responsible for global warming as well?
Yeah mate throw global warming in there if it stops you wetting your pants.
I guess I must’ve imagined the feminist on GMB the other morning gloating about the dart girls losing their jobs.
Bloody feminists - things have been going downhill for women since they got the vote.
I think since you saw a feminist on GMB gloating it must be her fault.
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Predictable characters on both extremes though. Yawn.
(This should be on the Uber thread)
Liberty Media (owners of F1)
Dr John Malone, Chairman
Gregory Maffei, President and CEO
Richard Baer, Chief Legal Officer
Mark Carleton, Chief Financial Officer
Albert Rosenthaler, Chief Corporate Development Officer
Professional Darts Corporation
Barry Hearn, Chairman
Matthew Porter, Chief Executive
Rod Harrington, Diretor
Eddie Hearn, Director
Edward Lowy, Director
Marcus Robertson, Director
Bob Scott, Director
Graham Fairhurst, Tournament Director
I worry for darts players having to walk up to the stage on their own - it won't end well. I hope the PC brigade are happy....
gone fishingggggggggg
This world really everyone does go overboard and worry about the silliest things and don't look at the repercussions of those that are affected.
The world is becoming too sterile.
Singing chim chimmey or something like that!!
If you are not happy with the decision, blame Liberty Media. Whilst I do not argue that there are feminists in the world, it is very interesting how people can be led to get so agitated at a group of people that if they existed as they are described by people who don't know them, couldn't be more different from the people who made the actual decision. It is much more interesting than the subject really.
Couldn't be that important to them or their values for it to take 16 months to make the decision. Doesn't require much change management does it?
"Hey
girlswomen, you're not the type of person we want involved in our business, you don't match our values- you're not needed anymore."I think It's best you blame feminists if it makes you happy. Are they responsible for global warming as well?
Yeah mate throw global warming in there if it stops you wetting your pants.
I guess I must’ve imagined the feminist on GMB the other morning gloating about the dart girls losing their jobs.
And yes, they bought F1 in 2016 and it probably wasn't at the top of their list. Which only supports my point.
I think since you saw a feminist on GMB gloating it must be her fault.