I think a lot of our poor, sloppy play was that Shrewsbury are a big, quick, physical side who swarm the ball like monsters when they lose is and disrupted us playing through the midfield, and we looked shit as a result. They also knew that if you get a defender within five yards of Pearce or Solly, they'll give you the ball back.
Those first five minutes showed what could have been.
Outplayed by a better team. Shit day. Sorry so many had to be there to see it.
In a nutshell. The same as Wigan, who won all their battles, and imposed their game on us.
I had us down for 7-12th at the start of the season, hoped for better but the squad doesn't support more in my mind. That's not Robinson's fault, but he might have built more flexibility into his recruitment. If that 4231 formation isn't working the answer isn't to try different players in it - try a different system. It was crying out yesterday for another player up alongside Magennis.
That said, I don't think we have the players to match Shrewsbury physically anyway.
As @bazjonster said, that was just like Wigan, bar the first 5 minutes today. Men against boys. A team and a club with purpose, and ambition, versus us. That's the season over, I think.
Roland Out Today.
Season over? A bit of an overreaction I think considering we're one point outside the playoffs with two games in hand....
Have you watched Charlton play recently or taken into account what a poor run we're in - barely above relegation form. Most of our points were gained earlier in the season...
Yep, been watching us home and away thanks. The fact is that we are still only just outside the playoffs with a lot of games to play - so season is nowhere near over.
I love the blind optimism of some of our supporters. We've been playing shit for months and are only where we are thanks to our early season form yet you somehow think we're in with a chance of promotion? You must be watching a different team from the rest of us.
As @bazjonster said, that was just like Wigan, bar the first 5 minutes today. Men against boys. A team and a club with purpose, and ambition, versus us. That's the season over, I think.
Roland Out Today.
Season over? A bit of an overreaction I think considering we're one point outside the playoffs with two games in hand....
Have you watched Charlton play recently or taken into account what a poor run we're in - barely above relegation form. Most of our points were gained earlier in the season...
Yep, been watching us home and away thanks. The fact is that we are still only just outside the playoffs with a lot of games to play - so season is nowhere near over.
I love the blind optimism of some of our supporters. We've been playing shit for months and are only where we are thanks to our early season form yet you somehow think we're in with a chance of promotion? You must be watching a different team from the rest of us.
Could't agree more @hoof_it_up_to_benty , if, by some complete fluke, we made it to the play-off finals and then got promotion, unless we had a major change of personnel we would be massacred in the Championship, and with RD still in charge a complete overhaul isn't going to happen. Yesterday was my first game in months and only my third of the season, and we were complete dross after the first 10 minutes, the worst I've seen in ages, anyone who thinks we're good in any shape or form needs to reassess and quickly!!
Tbf even though we were off the pace, Shrews were very well drilled and diciplined. They were so good at breaking up play and starting play. Even though were never at our best they made themselves look good more than us making them look good. They showed why they are second.
I think a lot of our poor, sloppy play was that Shrewsbury are a big, quick, physical side who swarm the ball like monsters when they lose is and disrupted us playing through the midfield, and we looked shit as a result. They also knew that if you get a defender within five yards of Pearce or Solly, they'll give you the ball back.
Those first five minutes showed what could have been.
Outplayed by a better team. Shit day. Sorry so many had to be there to see it.
Exactly and we are a small, slow, unphysical side that don't chase down and are a collection of individuals. The precise opposite of what is required to get promoted from this league. Taxi for Robinson.
For some reason this forum has insulted Shrewsbury all season. Saying they are not good enough, haven't got quality players, will crack up. Most of the comments in this thread continue the theme. The reality is that they are an excellent side who on this showing definitely look good enough to go up. We have played worse and won and I suspect will again. Nothing much has changed we are a better than average side in this division, with an at best average manager and inexperienced back room staff, and are likely to come in the 7th -12th range.
I've read nothing but praise for Shrewsbury's performance. I find your comment very strange. Perhaps I'm losing it.
As @bazjonster said, that was just like Wigan, bar the first 5 minutes today. Men against boys. A team and a club with purpose, and ambition, versus us. That's the season over, I think.
Roland Out Today.
Season over? A bit of an overreaction I think considering we're one point outside the playoffs with two games in hand....
Have you watched Charlton play recently or taken into account what a poor run we're in - barely above relegation form. Most of our points were gained earlier in the season...
Yep, been watching us home and away thanks. The fact is that we are still only just outside the playoffs with a lot of games to play - so season is nowhere near over.
It’s not, but even beating all of Wimbledon, Blackpool, Fleetwood, Northampton and Rochdale (four of them away) is a tall order. The last four home games are all against top six sides.
Millwall came sixth with 73 points last year (fifth place had 79). To get to 73, we need to win all the games named above and take seven from the other eight (five of them in the top six) - in practice probably 13/14 minimum as we won’t win all the five listed. It’s hard to see that based on results to date.
The only thing against your thesis is that the results are so unpredictable at the moment. Excluding Rotherham and Plymouth unfortunately. But we don’t look like a very well balanced side as you say, and we have some obvious weaknesses that are easy to exploit.
As @bazjonster said, that was just like Wigan, bar the first 5 minutes today. Men against boys. A team and a club with purpose, and ambition, versus us. That's the season over, I think.
Roland Out Today.
Season over? A bit of an overreaction I think considering we're one point outside the playoffs with two games in hand....
Have you watched Charlton play recently or taken into account what a poor run we're in - barely above relegation form. Most of our points were gained earlier in the season...
Yep, been watching us home and away thanks. The fact is that we are still only just outside the playoffs with a lot of games to play - so season is nowhere near over.
It’s not, but even beating all of Wimbledon, Blackpool, Fleetwood, Northampton and Rochdale (four of them away) is a tall order. The last four home games are all against top six sides.
Millwall came sixth with 73 points last year (fifth place had 79). To get to 73, we need to win all the games named above and take seven from the other eight (five of them in the top six) - in practice probably 13/14 minimum as we won’t win all the five listed. It’s hard to see that based on results to date.
The only thing against your thesis is that the results are so unpredictable at the moment. Excluding Rotherham and Plymouth unfortunately. But we don’t look like a very well balanced side as you say, and we have some obvious weaknesses that are easy to exploit.
Men against boys today. Hardly surprising after four years of Duchatelet - what do we expect?
I took my Polish neighbours to the match (they've only ever been to four matches between them before). After ten minutes they said, 'you're good, but why are you so small.' Sort of summed up the team and the day really.
Not sure that can be entirely levelled at RD, as that team was basically a Robinson team, and he does seem to like signing a certain type of player.
Plenty of skilful individuals, but a real lack of defensive backbone and power, and leadership
Agreed, except that it’s basically the old team with some Robinson/Gallen additions - acquired with virtually zero money to spend.
His budget may be limited, but I bet it's far higher than Shrewsbury's, whose team seems to be mainly free transfers and loan players. How many Shrewsbury players had anyone heard of before the match?
KR did have a choice. He brought in Mavadidi, Kaikai and Zyro, who are all attacking midfielders to go with Fosu, Marshall, Reeves and Aribo who has played the last 2 games "in the 3". Maybe he should have brought in someone for the engine room instead, to stop us being cut open so easily? Is a 2018 Bradley Pritchard, Danny Hollands or Darel Russell that hard to find?
Men against boys today. Hardly surprising after four years of Duchatelet - what do we expect?
I took my Polish neighbours to the match (they've only ever been to four matches between them before). After ten minutes they said, 'you're good, but why are you so small.' Sort of summed up the team and the day really.
Not sure that can be entirely levelled at RD, as that team was basically a Robinson team, and he does seem to like signing a certain type of player.
Plenty of skilful individuals, but a real lack of defensive backbone and power, and leadership
Agreed, except that it’s basically the old team with some Robinson/Gallen additions - acquired with virtually zero money to spend.
His budget may be limited, but I bet it's far higher than Shrewsbury's, whose team seems to be mainly free transfers and loan players. How many Shrewsbury players had anyone heard of before the match?
KR did have a choice. He brought in Mavadidi, Kaikai and Zyro, who are all attacking midfielders to go with Fosu, Marshall, Reeves and Aribo who has played the last 2 games "in the 3". Maybe he should have brought in someone for the engine room instead, to stop us being cut open so easily? Is a 2018 Bradley Pritchard, Danny Hollands or Darel Russell that hard to find?
Men against boys today. Hardly surprising after four years of Duchatelet - what do we expect?
I took my Polish neighbours to the match (they've only ever been to four matches between them before). After ten minutes they said, 'you're good, but why are you so small.' Sort of summed up the team and the day really.
Not sure that can be entirely levelled at RD, as that team was basically a Robinson team, and he does seem to like signing a certain type of player.
Plenty of skilful individuals, but a real lack of defensive backbone and power, and leadership
Agreed, except that it’s basically the old team with some Robinson/Gallen additions - acquired with virtually zero money to spend.
His budget may be limited, but I bet it's far higher than Shrewsbury's, whose team seems to be mainly free transfers and loan players. How many Shrewsbury players had anyone heard of before the match?
KR did have a choice. He brought in Mavadidi, Kaikai and Zyro, who are all attacking midfielders to go with Fosu, Marshall, Reeves and Aribo who has played the last 2 games "in the 3". Maybe he should have brought in someone for the engine room instead, to stop us being cut open so easily? Is a 2018 Bradley Pritchard, Danny Hollands or Darel Russell that hard to find?
Darel Russell?
Had him on loan in the title winning season, while Stephens was injured I think.
We need a good run and we are capable of putting one together. I do agree that it is a sad state of affairs when we get outplayed by Shrewsbury, but we do have a chance. I would put it at 50:50 of making the play offs. That is probably not good enough for a club of our size, but Robinson has to sort it out. There are no outside factors that can do anything in relation to this season, and it is down to him.
I think he has to look at the players he has and try a different system that plays to their strengths - particularly at home. Magennis is isolated - I'm not sure how he doesn't see it. If Magennis wins a header there is nobody to capitalise on it - it isn't rocket science.
We need a good run and we are capable of putting one together. I do agree that it is a sad state of affairs when we get outplayed by Shrewsbury, but we do have a chance. I would put it at 50:50 of making the play offs. That is probably not good enough for a club of our size, but Robinson has to sort it out. There are no outside factors that can do anything in relation to this season, and it is down to him.
I think he has to look at the players he has and try a different system that plays to their strengths - particularly at home. Magennis is isolated - I'm not sure how he doesn't see it. If Magennis wins a header there is nobody to capitalise on it - it isn't rocket science.
Nothing will change with KR in change - very limited tactics.
in my head was expecting at most from from that game, we didn't get it now sitting 7th, need 23 points from the 39 remaining.
7/8 wins i cant see us getting.
i think we will get 6th spot but don't think we will get to wembley, we haven't got the bottle and also we will have to play away 2nd leg in which case we will fold.
if this happens then Karl has failed and as such i don't care whether he stays or goes.
Karl has to go as soon as possible in my opinion, he has had several opportunities to do something different, but we are scraping points when we do get them in the same way every time.
We need a change urgently to have any hope of playoffs and to allow the new guy to see what he needs to add to the side and what deadwood can be got rid of.
Men against boys today. Hardly surprising after four years of Duchatelet - what do we expect?
I took my Polish neighbours to the match (they've only ever been to four matches between them before). After ten minutes they said, 'you're good, but why are you so small.' Sort of summed up the team and the day really.
Not sure that can be entirely levelled at RD, as that team was basically a Robinson team, and he does seem to like signing a certain type of player.
Plenty of skilful individuals, but a real lack of defensive backbone and power, and leadership
Agreed, except that it’s basically the old team with some Robinson/Gallen additions - acquired with virtually zero money to spend.
His budget may be limited, but I bet it's far higher than Shrewsbury's, whose team seems to be mainly free transfers and loan players. How many Shrewsbury players had anyone heard of before the match?
KR did have a choice. He brought in Mavadidi, Kaikai and Zyro, who are all attacking midfielders to go with Fosu, Marshall, Reeves and Aribo who has played the last 2 games "in the 3". Maybe he should have brought in someone for the engine room instead, to stop us being cut open so easily? Is a 2018 Bradley Pritchard, Danny Hollands or Darel Russell that hard to find?
Darel Russell?
Had him on loan in the title winning season, while Stephens was injured I think.
Yes, on loan for much of the season, we played a few games after Hollands suffered his post triplet slump!
That season we also had Andy Hughes to add experience and bite in midfield from the bench
I was a bit shocked at how feeble that performance was on Saturday. We were sixth in the table and previous teams under Powell or Curbishley would have at least put up a fight in our position against better oppostition.
It was only the 4th game I've been to this season. I saw us against Wigan at home when we were also outplayed, but at least we played some really nice football in that game and looked like a good Division One side paying against a Championship side. I don't know what's happened since then but we were awful on Saturday.
I can't see us going anywhere under Robinson and new owners will likely want to bring in somebody different. I can't really see anything to lose by ditching KR now and letting JJ have a go on his own until the end of the season.
I was a bit shocked at how feeble that performance was on Saturday. We were sixth in the table and previous teams under Powell or Curbishley would have at least put up a fight in our position against better oppostition.
It was only the 4th game I've been to this season. I saw us against Wigan at home when we were also outplayed, but at least we played some really nice football in that game and looked like a good Division One side paying against a Championship side. I don't know what's happened since then but we were awful on Saturday.
I can't see us going anywhere under Robinson and new owners will likely want to bring in somebody different. I can't really see anything to lose by ditching KR now and letting JJ have a go on his own until the end of the season.
Saturday was a terrible performance, but not typical of recent performances on the pitch. Even when we've lost or drawn, we've usually played well for much of the game.
As is usual the worst performance was saved for the biggest home crowd...
As @bazjonster said, that was just like Wigan, bar the first 5 minutes today. Men against boys. A team and a club with purpose, and ambition, versus us. That's the season over, I think.
Roland Out Today.
Season over? A bit of an overreaction I think considering we're one point outside the playoffs with two games in hand....
Have you watched Charlton play recently or taken into account what a poor run we're in - barely above relegation form. Most of our points were gained earlier in the season...
Yep, been watching us home and away thanks. The fact is that we are still only just outside the playoffs with a lot of games to play - so season is nowhere near over.
It’s not, but even beating all of Wimbledon, Blackpool, Fleetwood, Northampton and Rochdale (four of them away) is a tall order. The last four home games are all against top six sides.
Millwall came sixth with 73 points last year (fifth place had 79). To get to 73, we need to win all the games named above and take seven from the other eight (five of them in the top six) - in practice probably 13/14 minimum as we won’t win all the five listed. It’s hard to see that based on results to date.
The only thing against your thesis is that the results are so unpredictable at the moment. Excluding Rotherham and Plymouth unfortunately. But we don’t look like a very well balanced side as you say, and we have some obvious weaknesses that are easy to exploit.
As @bazjonster said, that was just like Wigan, bar the first 5 minutes today. Men against boys. A team and a club with purpose, and ambition, versus us. That's the season over, I think.
Roland Out Today.
Season over? A bit of an overreaction I think considering we're one point outside the playoffs with two games in hand....
Have you watched Charlton play recently or taken into account what a poor run we're in - barely above relegation form. Most of our points were gained earlier in the season...
Yep, been watching us home and away thanks. The fact is that we are still only just outside the playoffs with a lot of games to play - so season is nowhere near over.
It’s not, but even beating all of Wimbledon, Blackpool, Fleetwood, Northampton and Rochdale (four of them away) is a tall order. The last four home games are all against top six sides.
Millwall came sixth with 73 points last year (fifth place had 79). To get to 73, we need to win all the games named above and take seven from the other eight (five of them in the top six) - in practice probably 13/14 minimum as we won’t win all the five listed. It’s hard to see that based on results to date.
The only thing against your thesis is that the results are so unpredictable at the moment. Excluding Rotherham and Plymouth unfortunately. But we don’t look like a very well balanced side as you say, and we have some obvious weaknesses that are easy to exploit.
Karl has to go as soon as possible in my opinion, he has had several opportunities to do something different, but we are scraping points when we do get them in the same way every time.
We need a change urgently to have any hope of playoffs and to allow the new guy to see what he needs to add to the side and what deadwood can be got rid of.
It's the business end of the season. We have no CEO to sack him, and we don't want Duchatelet to appoint another new manager, do we? It's a pointless argument really. New owner? Then it's a worthwhile debate, right now it's probably a waste of time.
As @bazjonster said, that was just like Wigan, bar the first 5 minutes today. Men against boys. A team and a club with purpose, and ambition, versus us. That's the season over, I think.
Roland Out Today.
Season over? A bit of an overreaction I think considering we're one point outside the playoffs with two games in hand....
Have you watched Charlton play recently or taken into account what a poor run we're in - barely above relegation form. Most of our points were gained earlier in the season...
Yep, been watching us home and away thanks. The fact is that we are still only just outside the playoffs with a lot of games to play - so season is nowhere near over.
It’s not, but even beating all of Wimbledon, Blackpool, Fleetwood, Northampton and Rochdale (four of them away) is a tall order. The last four home games are all against top six sides.
Millwall came sixth with 73 points last year (fifth place had 79). To get to 73, we need to win all the games named above and take seven from the other eight (five of them in the top six) - in practice probably 13/14 minimum as we won’t win all the five listed. It’s hard to see that based on results to date.
The only thing against your thesis is that the results are so unpredictable at the moment. Excluding Rotherham and Plymouth unfortunately. But we don’t look like a very well balanced side as you say, and we have some obvious weaknesses that are easy to exploit.
Men against boys today. Hardly surprising after four years of Duchatelet - what do we expect?
I took my Polish neighbours to the match (they've only ever been to four matches between them before). After ten minutes they said, 'you're good, but why are you so small.' Sort of summed up the team and the day really.
Not sure that can be entirely levelled at RD, as that team was basically a Robinson team, and he does seem to like signing a certain type of player.
Plenty of skilful individuals, but a real lack of defensive backbone and power, and leadership
Agreed, except that it’s basically the old team with some Robinson/Gallen additions - acquired with virtually zero money to spend.
His budget may be limited, but I bet it's far higher than Shrewsbury's, whose team seems to be mainly free transfers and loan players. How many Shrewsbury players had anyone heard of before the match?
KR did have a choice. He brought in Mavadidi, Kaikai and Zyro, who are all attacking midfielders to go with Fosu, Marshall, Reeves and Aribo who has played the last 2 games "in the 3". Maybe he should have brought in someone for the engine room instead, to stop us being cut open so easily? Is a 2018 Bradley Pritchard, Danny Hollands or Darel Russell that hard to find?
I agree that we badly need an engine room midfielder, but Robinson has stated so himself (at the Bromley Addicks meeting and in a press conference) but wasn't given the money to buy one, and couldn't find an available one at the right price (i.e. almost free) who wanted to join us. That's quite an important point. It's probably Duchatelet you should be complaining to.
Where I don't agree is the argument that his budget is far higher that Shrewsbury's. He's spent less than 100K, so it can't be. Robinson can rightly be criticised for many things, but the narrative that he's build the squad of his dreams and has spent lavishly to do so it's total nonsense. He started with a weird dysfunctional bunch of players, and has at least removed some dead wood and brought in some flair players for peanuts. It's still way short of a being well balanced squad though, even though some of that is down to his not recruiting a second number 9 type striker.
How many Shrewsbury players had anyone heard of before the match?
Sorry, but I'm not sure fans of many other top half League One clubs are quaking in their boots when the see the make up of our squad. Holmes, Mavididi and Fosu are the only players who have required double marking.
I know we aren't that aware of the make-up of other teams squads, so it's always a surprise when they look as good as, or better than us. But it's possible that our poor performances are not just down to Robinson, but also at least partly down to the way the club has been run for the last four years?
I want to see different team selections, formations and tactics, and I'll probably criticise Robinson if he doesn't make them. But I won't criticise Robinson about recruitment when he's has virtually nothing to spend..
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I had us down for 7-12th at the start of the season, hoped for better but the squad doesn't support more in my mind. That's not Robinson's fault, but he might have built more flexibility into his recruitment. If that 4231 formation isn't working the answer isn't to try different players in it - try a different system. It was crying out yesterday for another player up alongside Magennis.
That said, I don't think we have the players to match Shrewsbury physically anyway.
As you'll need to include the Play-Offs in there too if we want to end up promoted
The precise opposite of what is required to get promoted from this league.
Taxi for Robinson.
KR did have a choice. He brought in Mavadidi, Kaikai and Zyro, who are all attacking midfielders to go with Fosu, Marshall, Reeves and Aribo who has played the last 2 games "in the 3". Maybe he should have brought in someone for the engine room instead, to stop us being cut open so easily? Is a 2018 Bradley Pritchard, Danny Hollands or Darel Russell that hard to find?
You're talking rubbish. Aribo was 19 when he signed for us anyway.
I think he has to look at the players he has and try a different system that plays to their strengths - particularly at home. Magennis is isolated - I'm not sure how he doesn't see it. If Magennis wins a header there is nobody to capitalise on it - it isn't rocket science.
7/8 wins i cant see us getting.
i think we will get 6th spot but don't think we will get to wembley, we haven't got the bottle and also we will have to play away 2nd leg in which case we will fold.
if this happens then Karl has failed and as such i don't care whether he stays or goes.
We need a change urgently to have any hope of playoffs and to allow the new guy to see what he needs to add to the side and what deadwood can be got rid of.
That season we also had Andy Hughes to add experience and bite in midfield from the bench
But they are also well within the grasp of a few other sides who are in better form ie Plymouth and Rotherham.
If if if we make the play-offs we still have to win them and on current form and Robinson's play-off record at MK Dons that doesn't seem likely.
But football is football, a bit of luck, one or two players turning it on on the day we can win them.
I don't think that is probable right now but it is possible.
Just win games.
It was only the 4th game I've been to this season. I saw us against Wigan at home when we were also outplayed, but at least we played some really nice football in that game and looked like a good Division One side paying against a Championship side. I don't know what's happened since then but we were awful on Saturday.
I can't see us going anywhere under Robinson and new owners will likely want to bring in somebody different. I can't really see anything to lose by ditching KR now and letting JJ have a go on his own until the end of the season.
We're a far smaller side with only Amos, Pearce, Konsa and Magennis close to being the size of the Shrews players.
As is usual the worst performance was saved for the biggest home crowd...
Where I don't agree is the argument that his budget is far higher that Shrewsbury's. He's spent less than 100K, so it can't be. Robinson can rightly be criticised for many things, but the narrative that he's build the squad of his dreams and has spent lavishly to do so it's total nonsense. He started with a weird dysfunctional bunch of players, and has at least removed some dead wood and brought in some flair players for peanuts. It's still way short of a being well balanced squad though, even though some of that is down to his not recruiting a second number 9 type striker.
How many Shrewsbury players had anyone heard of before the match?
Sorry, but I'm not sure fans of many other top half League One clubs are quaking in their boots when the see the make up of our squad. Holmes, Mavididi and Fosu are the only players who have required double marking.
I know we aren't that aware of the make-up of other teams squads, so it's always a surprise when they look as good as, or better than us. But it's possible that our poor performances are not just down to Robinson, but also at least partly down to the way the club has been run for the last four years?
I want to see different team selections, formations and tactics, and I'll probably criticise Robinson if he doesn't make them. But I won't criticise Robinson about recruitment when he's has virtually nothing to spend..
" FFS ! How big/tall/beefy are they ! We could do with a couple like that".