Let's just all calm down here...

AddickFC81

Let's just analyse this in calm, mature and adult manner. So we weren't good enough on the day. So what it happens. It's first poor one for a few weeks, since Gills.

I have a pragmatic philosphy. It's to analyse why we didn't perform to the best of our abilities. We simply lost our coolness when Shrewsbury managed to get a foothold in the game. We have to remember they are in the top two and play a high pressing, play in your face game. I think the reason why we didn't play the way Karl wanted is because maybe we lost a bit of patients playing their way and reverted to what we are best at. But yes we need to be more patient at that type of game and work on improving on it. It certainly wasn't a dishonest non caring performance by any stretch.

This is the business end of the season when we look to losses into a least a draw and a draw into a win. We were doing it earlier in the season. It's creapt out a wee bit recently. But hopefully we can start doing it again. It is important in this period that players and fans alike keep a calm attitude.

robinofottershaw

My calm, mature and considered response is that I don't think this squad, with the manager, has the wherewithal to get promotion this season. That is not just in response to yesterday's performance.

addick05

robinofottershaw said:

My calm, mature and considered response is that I don't think this squad, with the manager, has the wherewithal to get promotion this season. That is not just in response to yesterday's performance.

Sadly, I have to agree.

buckshee

Shrewsbury were the better side in every department. It was obvious from about fifteen minutes in that we’d struggle to get anything out of the match.
Yes we were poor but they are a very decent side and enjoyable to watch with it even if they are beating your own side.

Callumcafc

This isn't a reaction to one bad result. I've been more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

We've been poor since November. Something like 21 points in 18 games is barely good enough to avoid relegation.

Things came to a head for me yesterday because it was there for all to see what a decent manager can do and that was the final nail in KR's coffin. They didn't just beat us, they completely outplayed us.

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We're s**t end of

blackpool72

Let's face it the only reason that Robinson is still in the job is because the club is about to be sold and Roland doesn't want to page him off and hire a new manager.
The longer the season goes on the more inept Robinson appears.
He can no longer blame injuries as he has more than enough players at his disposal. Just look at yesterday's bench it's not full of youth players but experienced players.
Robinson is clearly not getting the best out of the team and as soon as a takeover happens he will be gone.
Let's hope both happen soon.

ricky_otto

Callumcafc said:

This isn't a reaction to one bad result. I've been more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

We've been poor since November. Something like 21 points in 18 games is barely good enough to avoid relegation.

Things came to a head for me yesterday because it was there for all to see what a decent manager can do and that was the final nail in KR's coffin. They didn't just beat us, they completely outplayed us.

This.

We have been dreadful for a long time now. Walsall at home was about the only game I can remember thinking we played ok.

The Manager has had long enough to realise his formation doesn’t work.... but he persists with it. He continues to pick players that are not good enough / struggling.

We don’t score enough goals, always look like we are going to concede and the game management is appalling.

If and when a new owner comes in, the first job has to be to tell Robinson his contract has been terminated.

hoof_it_up_to_benty

I love it when people say we had an off day - that suggests we normally have an on day. We've been shit for months.

wmcf123

buckshee said:

Shrewsbury were the better side in every department. It was obvious from about fifteen minutes in that we’d struggle to get anything out of the match.
Yes we were poor but they are a very decent side and enjoyable to watch with it even if they are beating your own side.

I never enjoy watching the opposition piss all over us. Yes they were better than us but better managers would find some manner of tactical switch to make things difficult for the opposition. Two things baffled me yesterday ; the bringing on of Ajose- absolute pony for most of us; but give the bloke a chance to play in his proper position at least. Secondly, most agree that Aribo was our best attacking player , at least until Fosu came on, and he moved him to left back.

His marriage to this ludicrous 4231 system is Embarassing.

Valley Ant

The anger and frustration is not just about what happens on the pitch.
I have watched Charlton since 1966 and was a season ticket holder until last season.
I have not been at all this season.
My daughter asked me whether I would like to go yesterday and I couldn't get any enthusiasm to say "Yes".
It took her a considerable time to persuade me.
It was a poor performance from top to bottom and, walking away from the ground, where I used to be in a really bad mood, I wasn't.
My passion for watching the club has been run over by a steamroller and I can only hope that it returns once RD has gone and we have an owner that cares about success on the pitch.
What a legacy to leave.

Daggs

What yesterday confirmed for me was, should we by some fluke, finish in a play-off position. We would get slapped by any other team we faced.

dickplumb

We are not good enough. Too many players going for glory. Too many lightweight fancy dan individuals. Shrewsbury showed what you can do with athletic strong players that are well coached and a coherent team plan is in play. Robinson likes small technical footballers. But we have too many. What we need is a bit of grunt. A mixture of artists and artisans. I used to think that Robinson was the right man for the job. Now I know he is not.

Billericay Dickie

blackpool72 said:

Let's face it the only reason that Robinson is still in the job is because the club is about to be sold and Roland doesn't want to page him off and hire a new manager.
The longer the season goes on the more inept Robinson appears.
He can no longer blame injuries as he has more than enough players at his disposal. Just look at yesterday's bench it's not full of youth players but experienced players.
Robinson is clearly not getting the best out of the team and as soon as a takeover happens he will be gone.
Let's hope both happen soon.

Great post. Says it all.

Valiantphil

My calm response is that KR said in the match programme that we are averaging 2 points a game on recent form, which is "automatic promotion form".

That's fine if you are in the top 2 spots already!

This team cannot beat any of the top 6 over 2 legs, so play-off dreams are pointless, it would only mean 2 extra matches at the end of the season - nothing more.

Until KR wakes up and plays Aribo from the start of every game, drops that dead weight Magennis, and learns how to protect points with minutes to go - we will just be hovering around mid table.

SoundAsa£

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I love it when people say we had an off day - that suggests we normally have an on day. We've been shit for months.

To be honest I find it hard to believe we are still in with a shout for a playoff spot.
It would appear that others around us are also unable to put together a significant run of good results which has kept us (with great good fortune), still in with a chance.

Fortune 82nd Minute

blackpool72 said:

Let's face it the only reason that Robinson is still in the job is because the club is about to be sold and Roland doesn't want to page him off and hire a new manager.
The longer the season goes on the more inept Robinson appears.
He can no longer blame injuries as he has more than enough players at his disposal. Just look at yesterday's bench it's not full of youth players but experienced players.
Robinson is clearly not getting the best out of the team and as soon as a takeover happens he will be gone.
Let's hope both happen soon.

Yup absolutely spot on.

You could also add to your list dropping young players just when they were getting into a run of good form eg KAG after scoring 3 goals in 3 games and Aribo recently after he was playing well and had scored a couple of goals.

Chris_from_Sidcup

Valiantphil said:

My calm response is that KR said in the match programme that we are averaging 2 points a game on recent form, which is "automatic promotion form".

That's fine if you are in the top 2 spots already!

This team cannot beat any of the top 6 over 2 legs, so play-off dreams are pointless, it would only mean 2 extra matches at the end of the season - nothing more.

Until KR wakes up and plays Aribo from the start of every game, drops that dead weight Magennis, and learns how to protect points with minutes to go - we will just be hovering around mid table.

He's in cloud cuckoo land. We've picked up 17 points from our last 16 league games.
In those 16 games we've won just 4. Against Oldham (21st), Bury (23rd), Walsall (17th) and MK Dons (22nd). We really are not very good.

He seems oblivious to the fact that Rotherham have picked up 36 points from the last 42 available. Plymouth have 37 from 48. They are sides who will make the play offs.

Us averaging 2 points a game over a 3 week period really isn't going to get us anywhere so he should just cut the bullshit.

lancashire lad

it was obvious before kick off that Shrewsbury were fitter and more professional than us by watching both teams warm ups. It was confirmed in the game by the way we passed it out from the back direct to the opposition, to their play where they passed to another player in the same colour shirt. Until our players can gain that basic ability to pass to a team mate and if possible pass forward to a team mate we will remain an average L1 team

StreekDerek

addick05 said:

robinofottershaw said:

My calm, mature and considered response is that I don't think this squad, with the manager, has the wherewithal to get promotion this season. That is not just in response to yesterday's performance.

Sadly, I have to agree.

And me.

cafcnick1992

The 20-managers-a-season brigade will love this thread.

timken

why is this discussion not in the post mtch thread?

Amos on the wing

Valley Ant said:

The anger and frustration is not just about what happens on the pitch.
I have watched Charlton since 1966 and was a season ticket holder until last season.
I have not been at all this season.
My daughter asked me whether I would like to go yesterday and I couldn't get any enthusiasm to say "Yes".
It took her a considerable time to persuade me.
It was a poor performance from top to bottom and, walking away from the ground, where I used to be in a really bad mood, I wasn't.
My passion for watching the club has been run over by a steamroller and I can only hope that it returns once RD has gone and we have an owner that cares about success on the pitch.
What a legacy to leave.

Your last two paragraphs mirrors exactly how I feel about Charlton right now which saddens me

soapy_jones

I am calm. Charlton are shit.

cabbles

AddickFC81 said:

Let's just analyse this in calm, mature and adult manner. So we weren't good enough on the day. So what it happens. It's first poor one for a few weeks, since Gills.

I have a pragmatic philosphy. It's to analyse why we didn't perform to the best of our abilities. We simply lost our coolness when Shrewsbury managed to get a foothold in the game. We have to remember they are in the top two and play a high pressing, play in your face game. I think the reason why we didn't play the way Karl wanted is because maybe we lost a bit of patients playing their way and reverted to what we are best at. But yes we need to be more patient at that type of game and work on improving on it. It certainly wasn't a dishonest non caring performance by any stretch.

This is the business end of the season when we look to losses into a least a draw and a draw into a win. We were doing it earlier in the season. It's creapt out a wee bit recently. But hopefully we can start doing it again. It is important in this period that players and fans alike keep a calm attitude.

Every Sunday morning around 12.30am without fail we get one of these. Keep them coming

AddickFC81

cabbles said:

AddickFC81 said:

Let's just analyse this in calm, mature and adult manner. So we weren't good enough on the day. So what it happens. It's first poor one for a few weeks, since Gills.

I have a pragmatic philosphy. It's to analyse why we didn't perform to the best of our abilities. We simply lost our coolness when Shrewsbury managed to get a foothold in the game. We have to remember they are in the top two and play a high pressing, play in your face game. I think the reason why we didn't play the way Karl wanted is because maybe we lost a bit of patients playing their way and reverted to what we are best at. But yes we need to be more patient at that type of game and work on improving on it. It certainly wasn't a dishonest non caring performance by any stretch.

This is the business end of the season when we look to losses into a least a draw and a draw into a win. We were doing it earlier in the season. It's creapt out a wee bit recently. But hopefully we can start doing it again. It is important in this period that players and fans alike keep a calm attitude.

Every Sunday morning around 12.30am without fail we get one of these. Keep them coming

I wrote the Oxford one about 8pm last time

alan dugdale

AddickFC81 said:

cabbles said:

AddickFC81 said:

Let's just analyse this in calm, mature and adult manner. So we weren't good enough on the day. So what it happens. It's first poor one for a few weeks, since Gills.

I have a pragmatic philosphy. It's to analyse why we didn't perform to the best of our abilities. We simply lost our coolness when Shrewsbury managed to get a foothold in the game. We have to remember they are in the top two and play a high pressing, play in your face game. I think the reason why we didn't play the way Karl wanted is because maybe we lost a bit of patients playing their way and reverted to what we are best at. But yes we need to be more patient at that type of game and work on improving on it. It certainly wasn't a dishonest non caring performance by any stretch.

This is the business end of the season when we look to losses into a least a draw and a draw into a win. We were doing it earlier in the season. It's creapt out a wee bit recently. But hopefully we can start doing it again. It is important in this period that players and fans alike keep a calm attitude.

Every Sunday morning around 12.30am without fail we get one of these. Keep them coming

I wrote the Oxford one about 8pm last time

So it wasn’t a one off then ?......

AddickFC81

Daggs said:

What yesterday confirmed for me was, should we by some fluke, finish in a play-off position. We would get slapped by any other team we faced.

Cross that bridge when we come to it.

AddickFC81

cabbles said:

AddickFC81 said:

Let's just analyse this in calm, mature and adult manner. So we weren't good enough on the day. So what it happens. It's first poor one for a few weeks, since Gills.

I have a pragmatic philosphy. It's to analyse why we didn't perform to the best of our abilities. We simply lost our coolness when Shrewsbury managed to get a foothold in the game. We have to remember they are in the top two and play a high pressing, play in your face game. I think the reason why we didn't play the way Karl wanted is because maybe we lost a bit of patients playing their way and reverted to what we are best at. But yes we need to be more patient at that type of game and work on improving on it. It certainly wasn't a dishonest non caring performance by any stretch.

This is the business end of the season when we look to losses into a least a draw and a draw into a win. We were doing it earlier in the season. It's creapt out a wee bit recently. But hopefully we can start doing it again. It is important in this period that players and fans alike keep a calm attitude.

Every Sunday morning around 12.30am without fail we get one of these. Keep them coming

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Fumbluff

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KFC have run out of chicken!!!


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AdTheAddicK

Daggs said:

What yesterday confirmed for me was, should we by some fluke, finish in a play-off position. We would get slapped by any other team we faced.

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