Please dont take this response as a sllght on any of the Protest activities thus far, however, I do have some concerns and note that these are my personal concerns, not those of any group(s) that I might be associated with….
In Davos own words….-‘The Protest Fund remains available for any individuals or groups who want to stage a protest’.....
If you look at CL, I think its fairly unanimously agreed that protesting in Belgium is the way to annoy him…. Which group is eponymously linked to that approach? yet has received very little funding despite frequently pitching for financial support from the Fund? I know that the B20 for example has got so disenchanted with the fund mechanism that we don’t bother asking any more – everything is funded by the individuals themselves- and a heck of a lot of money has been spent, as you will no doubt understand. I believe that ROT has received the same reception- could be wrong- I’m not involved with ROT. 40k in the fund at one point ? – that’s a lot of Rosettes and foam pigs and taxis – but I can say that ,joking apart, Foam taxis, Rosettes ARE accepted and funded. Whereas the B20 leaflets,stunts,equipment generally are not – so we fund it all ourselves.
As I said, Its to the point now where the B20 don’t even bother asking. They just fund it themselves,Some individuals to the estimate of 3k over the past 2 years. Other groups I know to be the same. I know Davo will bring out the rhetoric (and its not a personal dig at him) and say that funding was there , but in our experience, anything CARD related has typically been funded, whereas B20 related there were several hoops, obstacles and provisos placed in our way. We are just fortunate that we are a group prepared to get off our arses and put some of our own money towards something we have a passionate belief in. In my experience over the past 2 years, CARD has become a clique, mostly full of self-appointed members obsessed with their own self-importance along with an obvious self-appointed leader. Donate if you want to- please don’t stop the fight to RD – but I feel the (very) obvious association of CARD with the Protest Fund needs to be looked at.
This is not true.
The first B20 visit was partially funded by both the protest fund and the Spell it Out group.
SiO paid for the B20's match tickets for us to protest in the Satyen and the Protest fund paid for the printing of the English/Dutch leaflets. They also did the design/layout.
The protest fund needs more money. Please give us some if you can.
Ta. Happy Sunday evening to all
Will it be spent protesting in Belgium or over here? As I think any protests here would be a waste of money as he doesn’t give a shit what happens here.
The protest fund needs more money. Please give us some if you can.
Ta. Happy Sunday evening to all
Will it be spent protesting in Belgium or over here? As I think any protests here would be a waste of money as he doesn’t give a shit what happens here.
Well, I disagree with you.
It will be spent on approved bids. The only ones on the table so far are from CARD in the UK, although CARD also have intentions to protest in Belgium in May if necessary.
If you want to make a contribution to what ROT are doing in Belgium, join them and/or donate directly to them.
Please dont take this response as a sllght on any of the Protest activities thus far, however, I do have some concerns and note that these are my personal concerns, not those of any group(s) that I might be associated with….
In Davos own words….-‘The Protest Fund remains available for any individuals or groups who want to stage a protest’.....
If you look at CL, I think its fairly unanimously agreed that protesting in Belgium is the way to annoy him…. Which group is eponymously linked to that approach? yet has received very little funding despite frequently pitching for financial support from the Fund? I know that the B20 for example has got so disenchanted with the fund mechanism that we don’t bother asking any more – everything is funded by the individuals themselves- and a heck of a lot of money has been spent, as you will no doubt understand. I believe that ROT has received the same reception- could be wrong- I’m not involved with ROT. 40k in the fund at one point ? – that’s a lot of Rosettes and foam pigs and taxis – but I can say that ,joking apart, Foam taxis, Rosettes ARE accepted and funded. Whereas the B20 leaflets,stunts,equipment generally are not – so we fund it all ourselves.
As I said, Its to the point now where the B20 don’t even bother asking. They just fund it themselves,Some individuals to the estimate of 3k over the past 2 years. Other groups I know to be the same. I know Davo will bring out the rhetoric (and its not a personal dig at him) and say that funding was there , but in our experience, anything CARD related has typically been funded, whereas B20 related there were several hoops, obstacles and provisos placed in our way. We are just fortunate that we are a group prepared to get off our arses and put some of our own money towards something we have a passionate belief in. In my experience over the past 2 years, CARD has become a clique, mostly full of self-appointed members obsessed with their own self-importance along with an obvious self-appointed leader. Donate if you want to- please don’t stop the fight to RD – but I feel the (very) obvious association of CARD with the Protest Fund needs to be looked at.
I don’t agree at all with the penultimate paragraph.
It is for sure correct that more sensible actions get funding from a visible fund where those authorising the money are known.
More direct work needs more direct and less visible funding, this should really not be a surprise to anyone or a cause of friction between charlton and charlton. Fucking embarrassed by the whole thing.
Oh and while I’m o my soap box ROT is a serious piece of work by serious people trying to hit Duchatelet where it hurts. Anyone with the time and inclination to do that should get a bit more involved.
If you don’t like it, you can leave, but for £10 membership and a day in something hopefully meaningful, what is not to like?
Please dont take this response as a sllght on any of the Protest activities thus far, however, I do have some concerns and note that these are my personal concerns, not those of any group(s) that I might be associated with….
In Davos own words….-‘The Protest Fund remains available for any individuals or groups who want to stage a protest’.....
If you look at CL, I think its fairly unanimously agreed that protesting in Belgium is the way to annoy him…. Which group is eponymously linked to that approach? yet has received very little funding despite frequently pitching for financial support from the Fund? I know that the B20 for example has got so disenchanted with the fund mechanism that we don’t bother asking any more – everything is funded by the individuals themselves- and a heck of a lot of money has been spent, as you will no doubt understand. I believe that ROT has received the same reception- could be wrong- I’m not involved with ROT. 40k in the fund at one point ? – that’s a lot of Rosettes and foam pigs and taxis – but I can say that ,joking apart, Foam taxis, Rosettes ARE accepted and funded. Whereas the B20 leaflets,stunts,equipment generally are not – so we fund it all ourselves.
As I said, Its to the point now where the B20 don’t even bother asking. They just fund it themselves,Some individuals to the estimate of 3k over the past 2 years. Other groups I know to be the same. I know Davo will bring out the rhetoric (and its not a personal dig at him) and say that funding was there , but in our experience, anything CARD related has typically been funded, whereas B20 related there were several hoops, obstacles and provisos placed in our way. We are just fortunate that we are a group prepared to get off our arses and put some of our own money towards something we have a passionate belief in. In my experience over the past 2 years, CARD has become a clique, mostly full of self-appointed members obsessed with their own self-importance along with an obvious self-appointed leader. Donate if you want to- please don’t stop the fight to RD – but I feel the (very) obvious association of CARD with the Protest Fund needs to be looked at.
This is not true.
The first B20 visit was partially funded by both the protest fund and the Spell it Out group.
SiO paid for the B20's match tickets for us to protest in the Satyen and the Protest fund paid for the printing of the English/Dutch leaflets. They also did the design/layout.
So you do believe that he will be affected by the ‘approved bid’ suggestions that will take place in the UK, (I’m not so sure). I hope you are right but I feel CARD’s intended protest in Belgium will affect him more.
ROT’s idea is excellent but it shouldn’t be the only one that should be Belgium based. Hopefully we will get news soon that none of the protests will be needed and we are free from his ownership. If it not sorted soon I feel we will be looking at relegation next season.
So you do believe that he will be affected by the ‘approved bid’ suggestions that will take place in the UK, (I’m not so sure). I hope you are right but I feel CARD’s intended protest in Belgium will affect him more.
ROT’s idea is excellent but it shouldn’t be the only one that should be Belgium based. Hopefully we will get news soon that none of the protests will be needed and we are free from his ownership. If it not sorted soon I feel we will be looking at relegation next season.
Agree 100%.
I respect any group of people giving of their time to help remove RD. After all he is the owner we are all working for the common good to eject. However will not donate any more (have only made small donations) i do not want funds spent on (self congratulatory) rosettes. How do they impact on Roland?
I have always believed the most effective place to campaign was in Belgium. That belief has only strengthened.
Card, I hope, will get behind ROT with full backing.
There are so many ways to protest in Belgium, example protest in Brussels where their are people with much more power/influence than RD.
Protest at the Royal Belgian F.A in Avenue Houba de Strooper 145, Brussels ? Just a thought.
There is a fine line in protesting in Belgium. The last thing that is needed is it be seen as a protest against Belgium, either the people or the country.
The focus needs to be on the man, his businesses and most importantly his reputation.
There is a fine line in protesting in Belgium. The last thing that is needed is it be seen as a protest against Belgium, either the people or the country.
The focus needs to be on the man, his businesses and most importantly his reputation.
Dunno it’s as boring as anything out there can’t we do both
So you do believe that he will be affected by the ‘approved bid’ suggestions that will take place in the UK, (I’m not so sure). I hope you are right but I feel CARD’s intended protest in Belgium will affect him more.
ROT’s idea is excellent but it shouldn’t be the only one that should be Belgium based. Hopefully we will get news soon that none of the protests will be needed and we are free from his ownership. If it not sorted soon I feel we will be looking at relegation next season.
Agree 100%.
I respect any group of people giving of their time to help remove RD. After all he is the owner we are all working for the common good to eject. However will not donate any more (have only made small donations) i do not want funds spent on (self congratulatory) rosettes. How do they impact on Roland?
I have always believed the most effective place to campaign was in Belgium. That belief has only strengthened.
Card, I hope, will get behind ROT with full backing.
There are so many ways to protest in Belgium, example protest in Brussels where their are people with much more power/influence than RD.
Protest at the Royal Belgian F.A in Avenue Houba de Strooper 145, Brussels ? Just a thought.
We could get into a very long debate about protests in Belgium vs protests in the UK. In my opinion, both have an important part to play.
With respect, the phrase I have highlighted is way too general. I know that there have been at least two meetings between some members of CARD and ROT where advice previously has been given. CARD is a coalition and you need to be precise about what you want from CARD, or individuals within it.
So you do believe that he will be affected by the ‘approved bid’ suggestions that will take place in the UK, (I’m not so sure). I hope you are right but I feel CARD’s intended protest in Belgium will affect him more.
ROT’s idea is excellent but it shouldn’t be the only one that should be Belgium based. Hopefully we will get news soon that none of the protests will be needed and we are free from his ownership. If it not sorted soon I feel we will be looking at relegation next season.
Agree 100%.
I respect any group of people giving of their time to help remove RD. After all he is the owner we are all working for the common good to eject. However will not donate any more (have only made small donations) i do not want funds spent on (self congratulatory) rosettes. How do they impact on Roland?
I have always believed the most effective place to campaign was in Belgium. That belief has only strengthened.
Card, I hope, will get behind ROT with full backing.
There are so many ways to protest in Belgium, example protest in Brussels where their are people with much more power/influence than RD.
Protest at the Royal Belgian F.A in Avenue Houba de Strooper 145, Brussels ? Just a thought.
We could get into a very long debate about protests in Belgium vs protests in the UK. In my opinion, both have an important part to play.
With respect, the phrase I have highlighted is way too general. I know that there have been at least two meetings between some members of CARD and ROT where advice previously has been given. CARD is a coalition and you need to be precise about what you want from CARD, or individuals within it.
Edit: privately of course, rather than on here.
Well I want a fight with CARD for no good reason. I'm going to need a grand to organise it and CARD's publicity machine to get it known. OK?
I'm keeping out of the politics. But I do want to say just one thing from a selfish personal perspective, I've always been a bit nervous if a request has been made and I'm really not sure about the legalities of it or what could be the after affects of something that got out of hand. So if I have been nervous than I have said to Davo I would rather not. I have big mortgage to pay, and I wouldn't want to do anything that could come back on me.
Shame it has come to this. I shall be making a donation to CARD. However I would also have liked to make specific contributions re Belgian visits. I have no idea how to do this and when I have tried to find out ahead of visits I have received no response.
Shame it has come to this. I shall be making a donation to CARD. However I would also have liked to make specific contributions re Belgian visits. I have no idea how to do this and when I have tried to find out ahead of visits I have received no response.
Shame it has come to this. I shall be making a donation to CARD. However I would also have liked to make specific contributions re Belgian visits. I have no idea how to do this and when I have tried to find out ahead of visits I have received no response.
Thanks for confirming that @Addickted Never been part of CARD but was happy to support their protests as well as being part of the original Belgium 20. After this I won't be supporting ROT.
Genius Henners, following that post, our membership has more than doubled!
This thread shows perfectly how shooting from the hip without all the relevant facts can go wrong. It's also sad that whenever money is involved there is always a cynical element that someone is profiting from it. It's been embarrassing to see posters on other threads and other forums trips trotting out the same lame drivel about drink-ups and holidays when those responsible have been pretty transparent in accounting for the money and have promised a final set of accounts to explain where it all went when we are done. The most recent set of conversations were about what to do with the surplus on the basis that a takeover was 'imminent,' hardly the actions of those with their fingers in the till. Both Curb It and Davo55 have been at the forefront of a lot of the protest activity and have put plenty of hours and their own money into the cause only to have to suffer snide remarks from people also shooting from the hip and perhaps reflecting on what their own inclinations might be if they had access to the funds.
Thank you to the many generous people who responded to our latest appeal. An additional £1,645 has been added to the fund, of which £155 is through the sterling efforts of @charltonnick in selling the Roland Out merchandise.
@Curb_It and I would like to make it clear that, in the event of a takeover happening next week, our intention is to refund the additional donations made since the appeal.
When a takeover does happen our intention is to close the fund, provide a final report on sources and use of funds, and to set out what we think would be a good use of any residual money.
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The protest fund needs more money. Please give us some if you can.
Ta. Happy Sunday evening to all
Bull's eye from me
It will be spent on approved bids. The only ones on the table so far are from CARD in the UK, although CARD also have intentions to protest in Belgium in May if necessary.
If you want to make a contribution to what ROT are doing in Belgium, join them and/or donate directly to them.
It is for sure correct that more sensible actions get funding from a visible fund where those authorising the money are known.
More direct work needs more direct and less visible funding, this should really not be a surprise to anyone or a cause of friction between charlton and charlton. Fucking embarrassed by the whole thing.
If you don’t like it, you can leave, but for £10 membership and a day in something hopefully meaningful, what is not to like?
I hope you are right but I feel CARD’s intended protest in Belgium will affect him more.
ROT’s idea is excellent but it shouldn’t be the only one that should be Belgium based.
Hopefully we will get news soon that none of the protests will be needed and we are free from his ownership.
If it not sorted soon I feel we will be looking at relegation next season.
Let's see him off.
I'll get my coat.
I respect any group of people giving of their time to help remove RD. After all he is the owner we are all working for the common good to eject. However will not donate any more (have only made small donations) i do not want funds spent on (self congratulatory) rosettes. How do they impact on Roland?
I have always believed the most effective place to campaign was in Belgium. That belief has only strengthened.
Card, I hope, will get behind ROT with full backing.
There are so many ways to protest in Belgium, example protest in Brussels where their are people with much more power/influence than RD.
Protest at the Royal Belgian F.A in Avenue Houba de Strooper 145, Brussels ? Just a thought.
The focus needs to be on the man, his businesses and most importantly his reputation.
With respect, the phrase I have highlighted is way too general. I know that there have been at least two meetings between some members of CARD and ROT where advice previously has been given. CARD is a coalition and you need to be precise about what you want from CARD, or individuals within it.
Edit: privately of course, rather than on here.
I'm keeping out of the politics. But I do want to say just one thing from a selfish personal perspective, I've always been a bit nervous if a request has been made and I'm really not sure about the legalities of it or what could be the after affects of something that got out of hand. So if I have been nervous than I have said to Davo I would rather not. I have big mortgage to pay, and I wouldn't want to do anything that could come back on me.
Thanks for confirming that @Addickted
Never been part of CARD but was happy to support their protests as well as being part of the original Belgium 20.
After this I won't be supporting ROT.
Genius Henners, following that post, our membership has more than doubled!
Thank you to the many generous people who responded to our latest appeal. An additional £1,645 has been added to the fund, of which £155 is through the sterling efforts of @charltonnick in selling the Roland Out merchandise.
@Curb_It and I would like to make it clear that, in the event of a takeover happening next week, our intention is to refund the additional donations made since the appeal.
When a takeover does happen our intention is to close the fund, provide a final report on sources and use of funds, and to set out what we think would be a good use of any residual money.
Thanks again to all our generous contributors.