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I have signed, but in the full knowledge that it's never going to happen.
There seems absolutely no appetite amongst politicians and from their perspective I can understand why. The upside for them is very small (this is unlikely to be a vote swaying issue for most people, even hardcore football fans), whilst the perceived downside if something goes wrong is huge.
I don’t know what (with safe standing) could possibly go wrong?
It’s restricted to ST holders, so you will always have the correct number of people in there and know who they are. The system has been used for yonks now in different countries (inc Celtic) without problems.
Anything that could possibly go wrong would also go wrong in a seated area, esp as most fans stand in seated areas anyway.
I've stood in safe standing at Werder Bremen. In a big crowd it's a bit of a pain because it's very hard to move around....you can only move in or out to the sides if they are clear.
That said, I've signed the petition because I believe it's a decent compromise for those that wish to stand. I believe lessons from Hillsborough have been firmly learnt and the risk of crush these days is minimal. We have no fences now, gate controls seem to be much tighter and there is just so much more awareness of the dangers. If you can have old fashioned terraces at non-league grounds, where the controls are patently less stringent, why can't you introduce them into the Football League?
Far as I can see there isn't a downside. It's considerably safer than having large numbers of people standing in a seated area.
Because I'm not naive enough to think, if a small area of a stadium is designated "safe seating", that it will stop people standing in seating areas...
I like jumping up and down from my seat when we attack or score, it’s good exercise. Obviously not a lot of exercise at charlton admittedly but good exercise nevertheless.
Far as I can see there isn't a downside. It's considerably safer than having large numbers of people standing in a seated area.
Because I'm not naive enough to think, if a small area of a stadium is designated "safe seating", that it will stop people standing in seating areas...
Well of course it won't stop people standing in other areas. Bit if it takes a load of people who would have stood elsewhere and makes them stand in a safer environment how is that not an improvement?
Far as I can see there isn't a downside. It's considerably safer than having large numbers of people standing in a seated area.
Because I'm not naive enough to think, if a small area of a stadium is designated "safe seating", that it will stop people standing in seating areas...
It is probably true that it wouldn't stop ALL standing in seated areas but it would certainly reduce it. Leaving that aside why would you be against clubs providing a safe area for people who prefer to stand ?
I've stood in safe standing at Werder Bremen. In a big crowd it's a bit of a pain because it's very hard to move around....you can only move in or out to the sides if they are clear.
That said, I've signed the petition because I believe it's a decent compromise for those that wish to stand. I believe lessons from Hillsborough have been firmly learnt and the risk of crush these days is minimal. We have no fences now, gate controls seem to be much tighter and there is just so much more awareness of the dangers. If you can have old fashioned terraces at non-league grounds, where the controls are patently less stringent, why can't you introduce them into the Football League?
it that a purely standing area or the seats that get locked away when in standing mode?
Where would the safe standing area be at the Valley ?
If guess it would be the Covered end (North Lower). Safety committee or whoever agrees to it are unlikely to allow an upper tier area especially in the early days of it being legal. Has to be somewhere in the ground where a bit of an atmosphere can be created so that rules out east or west or family stand.
Gradient of Covered End is a bit shallower so lends itself to being a standing area. Although if rail seats were ever needed to be used it could be not ideal wirh the gradient for those of us who are vertically challenged.
Where would the safe standing area be at the Valley ?
If guess it would be the Covered end (North Lower). Safety committee or whoever agrees to it are unlikely to allow an upper tier area especially in the early days of it being legal. Has to be somewhere in the ground where a bit of an atmosphere can be created so that rules out east or west or family stand.
Gradient of Covered End is a bit shallower so lends itself to being a standing area. Although if rail seats were ever needed to be used it could be not ideal wirh the gradient for those of us who are vertically challenged.
Plus the the majority of the West & East Stands can't stand for more than a few minutes anyway
Signed. Being an old'un I now prefer to be sitting down but in my younger days stood on the old East Terrace with my mates. As long as it's safe I don't see anything amiss with standing at games. I sometimes pop along to watch Bromley and always stand there. As some have said, governments don't like to be proved wrong and will dig their heels in, so I don't hold out to much hope.
Far as I can see there isn't a downside. It's considerably safer than having large numbers of people standing in a seated area.
Because I'm not naive enough to think, if a small area of a stadium is designated "safe seating", that it will stop people standing in seating areas...
So your logic is "We can't make everybody safer, therefore we shouldn't make anybody safer"?
I like jumping up and down from my seat when we attack or score, it’s good exercise. Obviously not a lot of exercise at charlton admittedly but good exercise nevertheless.
Let’s hope the old duffer behind you is as nimble. Friend of mine is thinking of giving up because he misses the few exciting bits and goals because everyone jumps up.
I like jumping up and down from my seat when we attack or score, it’s good exercise. Obviously not a lot of exercise at charlton admittedly but good exercise nevertheless.
Let’s hope the old duffer behind you is as nimble. Friend of mine is thinking of giving up because he misses the few exciting bits and goals because everyone jumps up.
I've stood in safe standing at Werder Bremen. In a big crowd it's a bit of a pain because it's very hard to move around....you can only move in or out to the sides if they are clear.
That said, I've signed the petition because I believe it's a decent compromise for those that wish to stand. I believe lessons from Hillsborough have been firmly learnt and the risk of crush these days is minimal. We have no fences now, gate controls seem to be much tighter and there is just so much more awareness of the dangers. If you can have old fashioned terraces at non-league grounds, where the controls are patently less stringent, why can't you introduce them into the Football League?
it that a purely standing area or the seats that get locked away when in standing mode?
They had the seats bolted upright (for use in European Cup games).
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There seems absolutely no appetite amongst politicians and from their perspective I can understand why. The upside for them is very small (this is unlikely to be a vote swaying issue for most people, even hardcore football fans), whilst the perceived downside if something goes wrong is huge.
It’s restricted to ST holders, so you will always have the correct number of people in there and know who they are. The system has been used for yonks now in different countries (inc Celtic) without problems.
Anything that could possibly go wrong would also go wrong in a seated area, esp as most fans stand in seated areas anyway.
Far as I can see there isn't a downside. It's considerably safer than having large numbers of people standing in a seated area.
That said, I've signed the petition because I believe it's a decent compromise for those that wish to stand. I believe lessons from Hillsborough have been firmly learnt and the risk of crush these days is minimal. We have no fences now, gate controls seem to be much tighter and there is just so much more awareness of the dangers. If you can have old fashioned terraces at non-league grounds, where the controls are patently less stringent, why can't you introduce them into the Football League?
Gradient of Covered End is a bit shallower so lends itself to being a standing area. Although if rail seats were ever needed to be used it could be not ideal wirh the gradient for those of us who are vertically challenged.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43791494
bandwagon, on, jumping?
Now, is there a safe sleeping petition?