They should’ve put greater safe guards in to ensure that this didn’t happen and they never that is obvious
The policy it’s self was the right thing to do it should be a hostile environment for those illegally here to remain
But can you see that creating a "hostile environment" for illegal immigrants risks creating a hostile environment for people who aren't illegal immigrants?
No I can not , the problem with the implementation of the policy does not mean the policy is wrong the diligence behind the implementation was the problem.
No I can not , the problem with the implementation of the policy does not mean the policy is wrong the diligence behind the implementation was the problem.
So who's accountable for the failure, the Home Secretary or the Prime Minister?
Numerous people are accountable for it , the decision to destroy boarding cards the policy no doubt was put before others to gain the finer details
The fact We became a place where it was too easy to hide pre this decision
So many people are tarnished and dirty handed within this mess
I am sure that when this was proposed there were MPs that were against it they also should have looked into whe possible outcomes of it and been putting out the issues that will arise from it pre implementation
The fact that it has taken a journalist to highlight the plight and raise it as an issue shows complete breakdown cross parties to do the due dillegence I expect to take place before something is implemented
If people willingly stood by and kept this information back or knew that this would make a great weapon to fire back at people in years to come over the rights and feelings of its citizens they are meant to be serving then they are the most accountable
Playing politics with peoples lives all parties to gain a % increase in an opinion poll
Numerous people are accountable for it , the decision to destroy boarding cards the policy no doubt was put before others to gain the finer details
The fact We became a place where it was too easy to hide pre this decision
So many people are tarnished and dirty handed within this mess
I am sure that when this was proposed there were MPs that were against it they also should have looked into whe possible outcomes of it and been putting out the issues that will arise from it pre implementation
The fact that it has taken a journalist to highlight the plight and raise it as an issue shows complete breakdown cross parties to do the due dillegence I expect to take place before something is implemented
If people willingly stood by and kept this information back or knew that this would make a great weapon to fire back at people in years to come over the rights and feelings of its citizens they are meant to be serving then they are the most accountable
Playing politics with peoples lives all parties to gain a % increase in an opinion poll
But you don't think the one person responsible (ie Theresa May) should be held accountable?
Do you think that May sat down behind a desk and thought the whole change through on her own or was it a policy bought through with multiple layers of involvement
Then once drafted was it not for all to lose and and pointvour the failings before implementation
I blame those that chose to play politics knowing that people will suffer
Now if you showed me proof that she was made aware pre implementation of the issue and that she then said I don’t care implement this policy then yes she is wholesale responsible and accountable
I don’t believe this to be the case
Same as if I am being honest I don’t believe it was done with racism as it’s motive
The same I don’t believe that corbyn is racist to Jews
Now if you showed me proof that she was made aware pre implementation of the issue and that she then said I don’t care implement this policy then yes she is wholesale responsible and accountable.
Now if you showed me proof that she was made aware pre implementation of the issue and that she then said I don’t care implement this policy then yes she is wholesale responsible and accountable.
But when you read those links they are the exact reason we needed to tighten the rules It needed to be harder for people that arrive in the uk to have access to the things in the paper
home secretary, an internal impact assessment found that plans to demand immigration documents from tenants could make it harder for foreign nationals to find homes, and provoke discrimination.
In a second warning in 2015, while Ms May was still the home secretary, her department assessed how the new Immigration Bill could deny migrants housing and driving licences or see their bank accounts frozen.
The paper doesn’t mention anywhere that may was told those of the windrush generation will suffer the way they have
That paper piece backs up what I have said no one done the diligence required
But when you read those links they are the exact reason we needed to tighten the rules It needed to be harder for people that arrive in the uk to have access to the things in the paper
home secretary, an internal impact assessment found that plans to demand immigration documents from tenants could make it harder for foreign nationals to find homes, and provoke discrimination.
In a second warning in 2015, while Ms May was still the home secretary, her department assessed how the new Immigration Bill could deny migrants housing and driving licences or see their bank accounts frozen.
The paper doesn’t mention anywhere that may was told those of the windrush generation will suffer the way they have
That paper piece backs up what I have said no one done the diligence required
I don't think you and I can ever agree on the issue, partly because you've asked for proof that May was at fault, I've provided it and you seem to think it proves the opposite.
However, it's good to disagree with someone who doesn't see the need to insult or berate. So, I appreciate that.
I won't carry on, as the thread has been sunk and no-one has set out what I would see as a good reason why the Prime Minister shouldn't resign. But, as I say, thanks for setting out your views with more sensitivity than most people!
“Some non-UK born older people may have additional difficulties in providing original documentation.”
“Some may have had their immigration records destroyed. "
"Some will have originally come into the country under old legislation but may have difficulty in evidencing this.”
So how many is some may ? It could be as little as 0 or 3 or as many as thousands.
I think for May to be accountable, it would have needed to be more specific.
If she had ignored a warning that the "Windrush folk will all be caught up in this mess and thousands of lives will be adversely affected", then I think it would be a different matter, but no such warning appears to have been given.
It doesn't even say they have had their immigration records destroyed.
It says they MAY have had their immigration records destroyed.
No evidence of guilt here and Chizz is normally the first to be asking for evidence (when it suits).
“Some non-UK born older people may have additional difficulties in providing original documentation.”
“Some may have had their immigration records destroyed. "
"Some will have originally come into the country under old legislation but may have difficulty in evidencing this.”
So how many is some may ? It could be as little as 0 or 3 or as many as thousands.
I think for May to be accountable, it would have needed to be more specific.
If she had ignored a warning that the "Windrush folk will all be caught up in this mess and thousands of lives will be adversely affected", then I think it would be a different matter, but no such warning appears to have been given.
It doesn't even say they have had their immigration records destroyed.
It says they MAY have had their immigration records destroyed.
No evidence of guilt here and Chizz is normally the first to be asking for evidence (when it suits).
How many people are caught up in this ?
Theresa May is responsible. She should also be accountable. It doesn't really matter how many people's lives have been ruined, one is too many.
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The fact We became a place where it was too easy to hide pre this decision
So many people are tarnished and dirty handed within this mess
I am sure that when this was proposed there were MPs that were against it they also should have looked into whe possible outcomes of it and been putting out the issues that will arise from it pre implementation
The fact that it has taken a journalist to highlight the plight and raise it as an issue shows complete breakdown cross parties to do the due dillegence I expect to take place before something is implemented
If people willingly stood by and kept this information back or knew that this would make a great weapon to fire back at people in years to come over the rights and feelings of its citizens they are meant to be serving then they are the most accountable
Playing politics with peoples lives all parties to gain a % increase in an opinion poll
Do you think that May sat down behind a desk and thought the whole change through on her own or was it a policy bought through with multiple layers of involvement
Then once drafted was it not for all to lose and and pointvour the failings before implementation
I blame those that chose to play politics knowing that people will suffer
Now if you showed me proof that she was made aware pre implementation of the issue and that she then said I don’t care implement this policy then yes she is wholesale responsible and accountable
I don’t believe this to be the case
Same as if I am being honest I don’t believe it was done with racism as it’s motive
The same I don’t believe that corbyn is racist to Jews
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-ignored-home-office-warnings-migrant-policies-hostile-environment-windrush-immigrant-a8312996.html
It needed to be harder for people that arrive in the uk to have access to the things in the paper
home secretary, an internal impact assessment found that plans to demand immigration documents from tenants could make it harder for foreign nationals to find homes, and provoke discrimination.
In a second warning in 2015, while Ms May was still the home secretary, her department assessed how the new Immigration Bill could deny migrants housing and driving licences or see their bank accounts frozen.
The paper doesn’t mention anywhere that may was told those of the windrush generation will suffer the way they have
That paper piece backs up what I have said no one done the diligence required
However, it's good to disagree with someone who doesn't see the need to insult or berate. So, I appreciate that.
I won't carry on, as the thread has been sunk and no-one has set out what I would see as a good reason why the Prime Minister shouldn't resign. But, as I say, thanks for setting out your views with more sensitivity than most people!
Cheers.
“Some non-UK born older people may have additional difficulties in providing original documentation.”
“Some may have had their immigration records destroyed. "
"Some will have originally come into the country under old legislation but may have difficulty in evidencing this.”
So how many is some may ? It could be as little as 0 or 3 or as many as thousands.
I think for May to be accountable, it would have needed to be more specific.
If she had ignored a warning that the "Windrush folk will all be caught up in this mess and thousands of lives will be adversely affected", then I think it would be a different matter, but no such warning appears to have been given.
It doesn't even say they have had their immigration records destroyed.
It says they MAY have had their immigration records destroyed.
No evidence of guilt here and Chizz is normally the first to be asking for evidence (when it suits).
How many people are caught up in this ?