I remember Garry Nelson explaining that footballers are contracted to train because they may not play due to injury, loss of form, etc. so if he is training he’ll not be in breach of contract but may miss out on any appearance fees, win bonuses (little joke there to lighten the mood 😉), etc.
He should be sacked and no last wage paid. Perhaps his new club might think he can not be trusted to see out a contract. If the club had said we are not going to play you and not pay you he would take the club to court. He has a contract to see out. Don`t get me wrong Taylor has been great for the club but you can`t just do that when you have a contract.
He should be sacked and no last wage paid. Perhaps his new club might think he can not be trusted. If the club had said we are not going to play you and not pay you he would take the club to court. He has a contract to see out.
Derby showed this season the power that players how these days
If players arent going to be sacked for driving under the influence and causing a dangerous crash then what hope is there
No one will care that we've sacked Taylor for non scandalous reasons
They'll simply see it to their advantage that they're getting a decent Striker which they'll see as our loss as we didnt offer enough to keep him
Did people really ever compare Taylor to the likes of Yann? I even see him ranked alongside Mendonca.
He’s not even fit to lace Kermorgants boots. I’ve always said that and even more so now.
In terms of footballing ability he was comparable to Yann for us, in terms of class he seemed comparable, however, that has faltered somewhat with the latest news...
Rumours on the reliable source that is Facebook that Lyle is only training and won't be playing for us again. Apparently he doesn't want to risk getting injured.
Nah don’t buy that. If he wasn’t playing for us again, I’m sure the club wouldn’t have him in for training / providing his twice weekly testing etc.
Wouldn't you have him in for training anyway in the hope that he'd change his mind once he was back in the swing of things?
Longshot probably but one worth taking I'd say.
As much as a Taylor is influential for us no I wouldn’t. I’d tell him to do one.
Players play for their clubs knowing that their contracts are about to expire, that happens all the time
Yes he was younger, but Patrick Bauer for example scored the winning goal at Wembley (and still celebrates the moment) knowing that he was likely to leave. Ditto Aribo
Imagine if either of them had downed tools in April...
This. Bauer will forever be a hero due to that goal. Taylor could do the same if he played & scored the winner v Millwall.
Lyle is a fine player and I've really enjoyed watching him play. Roland should have signed him to a longer and more lucrative contract when he proved his worth to the team in our promotion year. But Roland has always been a bit of an asshole. Once a player gets into the last year of his contract then they are always likely to run their contract down, especially if you are as good as Taylor. I saw this coming, I'm sure most of us did. We 'hoped' he would re-sign for us but can't blame him for going to a bigger club with a great financial deal. Also can't really blame him for his current stance. In his position I'd probably do the same.
Been painting all day so just catching up with this thread.
I'm not surprised by Taylor's decision as he has never shown loyalty in his career. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe including loans he has played for 14 different clubs. The longest he has ever hung around is 3 years at Wimbledon. He is not particularly in love with football and only sees it as a way of earning as much as he can. I have no problem with that as he has never played top flight football and has never been a big earner (in footballing terms). But refusing to play now with us in our current position is poor form in my opinion. Thanks for what you done while you was here Lyle but you are leaving us in the shit. I personally will never remember him with the same amount of affection and respect that I do for Mendonca and Kermorgant and others. So jog on and leave us to try and fight our way out of this mess .
Yann refused to play for us and most people would let him Wank in their pocket.
Probably need to hear from the players before judging but on the face of it, that’s shitty by Taylor. I get it, it’s a life changing deal to another club. But fk me, we’re doomed without him. He knows how crucial it is to stay up. What happened to the chest thumping spirit?
I need to hear from the players as to how they’ve come to this decision, if indeed they have, before I lose my shit. Unfortunately, I think I’m going to have the same feeling I had when Parker left.
Obviously I get why people are upset, but objectively, can you think of how more shambolically a football club could have possibly be ran than we have been in the 2 years Lyle Taylor signed to us for? I can't even really list everything that's happened off the top of my head it's been so absurd.
If you aren't a fan, why would you do anything more? That's awful for us fans and makes us the losers of it all, but Taylor has basically been central to any remote bit of hope we've had throughout this time, and deserves better than the absolute sh*tshow we currently are. Good luck to him.
There is somebody else with a very strong financial interest in him not getting injured, and scuppering a big money move.
His agent.
Cue the usual suspects giving me shit for being "obsessed". Save your thumbs lads. Instead remember when we suddenly were introduced to Bonne's agent in November. He was so thick and so far down the agent food chain that he broke the first agent rule: stay out of the public gaze. But he did us a favour and lifted a window on how these lowlife think.
There is somebody else with a very strong financial interest in him not getting injured, and scuppering a big money move.
His agent.
Cue the usual suspects giving me shit for being "obsessed". Save your thumbs lads. Instead remember when we suddenly were introduced to Bonne's agent in November. He was so thick and so far down the agent food chain that he broke the first agent rule: stay out of the public gaze. But he did us a favour and lifted a window on how these lowlife think.
I would think Taylor’s big personality and outlook on life would overrule his agent.
Whether the buying club have put in a clause that prohibits him playing is another matter.
There is somebody else with a very strong financial interest in him not getting injured, and scuppering a big money move.
His agent.
Cue the usual suspects giving me shit for being "obsessed". Save your thumbs lads. Instead remember when we suddenly were introduced to Bonne's agent in November. He was so thick and so far down the agent food chain that he broke the first agent rule: stay out of the public gaze. But he did us a favour and lifted a window on how these lowlife think.
If normally agree with you but I really can’t see anyone having an influence over Taylor, not even his agent. He’s head strong.
If he was agent driven, he wouldn’t have signed for Charlton in the first place.
There is somebody else with a very strong financial interest in him not getting injured, and scuppering a big money move.
His agent.
Cue the usual suspects giving me shit for being "obsessed". Save your thumbs lads. Instead remember when we suddenly were introduced to Bonne's agent in November. He was so thick and so far down the agent food chain that he broke the first agent rule: stay out of the public gaze. But he did us a favour and lifted a window on how these lowlife think.
Football has showed itself to be farcical in its restart project. Premier league have started it with plucking a date out of the air to ensure TV revenue is received which has filtered down to the EFL. The main word used by any employees during the whole pandemic is "welfare" yet footballers due to higher salaries than the general public seem to be instructed to go and play and entertain. With 2nd waves in the UK still to hit, I am not surprised of any footballer refusing to play to protect future earnings or current health.
I need to hear from the players as to how they’ve come to this decision, if indeed they have, before I lose my shit. Unfortunately, I think I’m going to have the same feeling I had when Parker left.
Rumours on the reliable source that is Facebook that Lyle is only training and won't be playing for us again. Apparently he doesn't want to risk getting injured.
There have been rumours about Lyle’s supposed lack of commitment all season long, yet, when it’s come down to it, there probably hasn’t been a player who can claim to have given more effort for the cause than Taylor.
Really don’t get fans that want to undermine him. He’s been absolutely crucial to everything positive that has happened in the last 2 seasons. I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t start every match for which he is fit and score a few goals in the process.
There is somebody else with a very strong financial interest in him not getting injured, and scuppering a big money move.
His agent.
Cue the usual suspects giving me shit for being "obsessed". Save your thumbs lads. Instead remember when we suddenly were introduced to Bonne's agent in November. He was so thick and so far down the agent food chain that he broke the first agent rule: stay out of the public gaze. But he did us a favour and lifted a window on how these lowlife think.
I would think Taylor’s big personality and outlook on life would overrule his agent.
Whether the buying club have put in a clause that prohibits him playing is another matter.
A third party cannot unilaterally change an express term in an existing contract between the player and his current club. That express term being the requirement to play if selected (and no other factors such as injury to affect that).
They may well have had a word in his ear, but if that were the case you would expect all 'Bosman' cases to result in the player out of contract in the summer going walkabout in the last couple of months - and that doesn't happen.
Play the last few games and Lyle will forever be a Charlton legend, refuse to play then as far as I am concerned he will just become another ex Charlton player.
He's really gone down in my estimations, although I was kind of expecting it. He knows what the fans are going through, he knows what the club has been through, and how much it meant to us to get promoted. Yet he's not prepared to give us another few weeks, which could make the difference to where our very existence could be at stake. I've been listening to the pod cast with the great, loyal, dedicated club man, Keith Peacock. What a contrast ! It's decisions like this from Lyle that is ruining my love of the game.
Play the last few games and Lyle will forever be a Charlton legend, refuse to play then as far as I am concerned he will just become another ex Charlton player.
What if he plays the last few games, gets a long term injury and we get relegated anyway?
He's fucked his new deal, we're back in league one and he'd just be remembered as the bloke who took a slow run up for penalties.
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If players arent going to be sacked for driving under the influence and causing a dangerous crash then what hope is there
No one will care that we've sacked Taylor for non scandalous reasons
They'll simply see it to their advantage that they're getting a decent Striker which they'll see as our loss as we didnt offer enough to keep him
He’s not even fit to lace Kermorgants boots. I’ve always said that and even more so now.
I'd say they're comparable.
Well, that's us fucked, good and proper. See you in Accrington and Rochdale next season.
Thats something he will never get.
Thats life.
Yann refused to play for us and most people would let him Wank in their pocket.
If you aren't a fan, why would you do anything more? That's awful for us fans and makes us the losers of it all, but Taylor has basically been central to any remote bit of hope we've had throughout this time, and deserves better than the absolute sh*tshow we currently are. Good luck to him.
His agent.
Cue the usual suspects giving me shit for being "obsessed". Save your thumbs lads. Instead remember when we suddenly were introduced to Bonne's agent in November. He was so thick and so far down the agent food chain that he broke the first agent rule: stay out of the public gaze. But he did us a favour and lifted a window on how these lowlife think.
If he was agent driven, he wouldn’t have signed for Charlton in the first place.
Yet he's not prepared to give us another few weeks, which could make the difference to where our very existence could be at stake.
I've been listening to the pod cast with the great, loyal, dedicated club man, Keith Peacock. What a contrast !
It's decisions like this from Lyle that is ruining my love of the game.
He's fucked his new deal, we're back in league one and he'd just be remembered as the bloke who took a slow run up for penalties.