Not remotely surprised by this turn of events, it was an absolute dot on the card.
Sorry folks, but you all have to realize that we all LOVE Charlton Athletic, for many of us it is the love of our lives and we think of little else.
For Lyle Taylor and 99% of other players they don't care if it's Charlton Athletic, Wigan Athletic or the Rajasthan Royal Cavaliers, all they care about is how much they can earn and how quickly they can earn it.
Lyle Taylor is being honest about it, that's the difference.
Taylor is probably on around 4K per week at Charlton and is obviously getting offered 20k elsewhere on a three-year deal so he can basically make 3 million over that contract - taking home about 1.7 million post-tax (or whatever it is).
That's not David Beckham style cash but it's enough to set him and his family up for life at just 33 so I don't blame him in the slightest for not wanting to jeopardise that.
Do we really think Lyle is the only player in the EFL doing this? No chance! There'll be plenty of others in the same boat, except of course they will be far more subtle in the way they do it.
The bottom line is simple, football is full of whores and prostitutes it's just that some are more honest about it than others.
Just because he is being honest, that makes it okay?
he is under contract!! He can’t pick and choose when he wants to play just because it suits him
im fairly certain that joe aribo knew the play off final would be his last for the club, did he refuse to play.
Taylor should play to the end of June. However, none of us should kid ourselves about the way that footballers treat clubs AND clubs treat footballers.
Players are given short term contracts. A promising youngster is sold, in the case of someone like Gomez, for relative pennies. They become heroes on the back of one or if you are lucky two seasons of football and villains if they leave on their terms.
Back in the 1970s we had at least 15 players who had played 200 plus games for us. When Solly goes we will have no one who has done so. In fact, we have one player, Pearce, who has played 100 matches for us. Where's the "Killer" Hales, "Flash" Flanagan, Phil Warman, Keith Peacock, Les Berry, Bob Curtis, Paddy Powell, Peter Reeves, Steve Gritt etc etc?
There is a minimal relationship between a young fan and a player. Ask a 10 year old fan next season who their favourite player is and I suspect that they will struggle to name one.
To the club, the player is a commodity. To the player, it's a job. That is the reality.
So people reckon that if this was a normal season and we were about to enter the League One play offs /Final Taylor would refuse to play .... except this season isn’t like a normal season apples and pears am I missing something here of course he’s being a selfish twunt but all this romantic bollox is just that he like all of them are out for themselves no amount of love from us will pay his bar bill or gambling debts in 5 years time just ask Super Clive Mendonca
I would be more inclined to give Solly more pelters than Taylor all day long.
Long time club captain, testimonial benefactor, coming to end of career, ‘one of our own’ etc
where is the vitriol aimed at him ?
Might start the anti Solly thread for balance.
I guess because we don't know the reason behind why Solly doesnt want to play whereas its pretty clear for the reasons behind Taylor's decision
Is Chris worried about passing anything on to his family - Is it because he knows he's not getting anothwr deal and having had injury concerns for years wants to protect himself seeing he's probably not had a bumper pay deal
Its certainly obvious he's not off to a club higher in the Championship than where we're currently sitting is it
Either way dont you think its best to reserve judgement until the full facts are out there before looking like a prima domma whinging bitch?
If one thing is clear out of all this its that it dont matter if you've given a club endless years of service or whether you've used the club as a stepping stone, the only time when its acceptable is when the fans no longer want you which is nothing short of hypocritical.
End of the day the players in question are simply taking advantage of an option that is available to them that is not available to everyday workers
Its not right that Footballers should be able to do this but in which case its the system that stinks rather than the actions of those taking advantage of it
People will complain about the obscene wages that Footballers get given yet not once will they stop and think that if the wage wasnt offered in the first place then they wouldnt be on that sort of money - Of course its never going to happen because if just one club were to take that stance then every other would take advantage of it
I would be more inclined to give Solly more pelters than Taylor all day long.
Long time club captain, testimonial benefactor, coming to end of career, ‘one of our own’ etc
where is the vitriol aimed at him ?
Might start the anti Solly thread for balance.
Taylor is the star man who can save us from relegation. If he gets injured, clubs would wait, he would play/work again.
where is solly going to end up, gillingham, A.F.C. Wimbledon? If he gets injured, these clubs won’t wait and will go elsewhere! If solly gets injured, he is unlikely to get a club again.
two different scenarios and two different markets.
solly had disappointed me but I understand why. Taylor is a con man like mouthall
Lyle Taylor rightfully getting hammered over social media, he was injured for 14 weeks. ( whilst on international duty ) - happy to be paid his weekly wages then lockdown for 2 months happy to be paid, now he’s asked to go back to doing his job is refusing and not for health reasons but for financial reasons - I understand it but it’s wrong and it’s a shame for it to end like this I think, I also dispute the quadrupling his wages would be 26k a week for a player that’s only played half a championship season as been injured - I hope he goes well but can see him fizzling out now, Ricky Holmes done the same ended up back in league 1 within a year.
Possibly Bowyer is trying to apply pressure here in an attempt to get him to change his mind. If he keeps him around training and he isn’t disruptive he may just want to play after all.
Comparing him and Williams is also wrong Williams has been on 15/20k a week for about 4/5 years and he’s mentioned before that his mental happiness comes first as he doesn’t need the money as such or for a better wording doesn’t drive him as much as his happiness
So people reckon that if this was a normal season and we were about to enter the League One play offs /Final Taylor would refuse to play .... except this season isn’t like a normal season apples and pears am I missing something here of course he’s being a selfish twunt but all this romantic bollox is just that he like all of them are out for themselves no amount of love from us will pay his bar bill or gambling debts in 5 years time just ask Super Clive Mendonca
I mean it’s not “ romantic bollox”, it’s contract law.
I understand Taylor's actions but I think players should honour their contracts - I would feel less annoyed with him if he didn't play the social media game so much.
I certainly won't clap him should I see him play for anoher team.
I don't like players picking and choosing when they play and I realise my views are old fashioned but it's a team game and far too many players forget that.
If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massively
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massively
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
I understand Covid has created a situation in football.
But Taylor didn't say Covid was the reason. Whilst as a consequence Covid may be related to Taylors situation due to timescales between seasons and reduced recovery time if he was to get Injured.
He's basically said I have an offer and I'm not playing due to risk of injury, or has been told he cannot play by his new club.
If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massively
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
There’s one, quite a fundamental, difference between the way Taylor is allegedly* behaving and most other out of contract players are behaving though, isn’t there?
*I say “alleged“ as I wouldn’t be surprised if there was more to this than meets the eye, as with basically everything involving Charlton Athletic these days
Theres far too much leniency on here for me. If we’ve paid him he should play or give the money back. Yes lyle wants to look after himself, but we need to look after cafc who are in dire straits as it is.
If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massively
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
The goalposts haven't moved. The regulations state that a player over the age of 23 with 6 months or less remaining on his contract is free to negotiate a pre-contract agreement with another club.
99% of us would do exactly the same as Lyle's doing, were we in the same situation. It’s a profession after all.
Still gutted though.
No they wouldn't - not if they were in a 'profession' and being 'professional'.
I'm sorry Bob but being in the profession of football I do think that 99% of us would do the same. I have to say that listening to the responses of so many "fans" over the last 12 hours has been like listening to the whining of a 14 year old boy just dumped by his first girlfriend. "But she told me that she loved me!!"
I just want to take issue with this word 'professional' as being the central reasoning behind Taylor refusing to play. as in ' any professional would do the same'.
If one is a professional then you cant' choose which bits of the job you want to be professional about or at which times.
The refusal of Taylor to play (certainly in the forthcoming games between 20th June and the end of his contract) is a clear breach of contract and therefore highly unprofessional.
Semantics I know and it doesn't change anything - its just that it really grates that that Lyle's actions are defended by some as being those of a professional when those actions bring both the profession and the individual into public disrepute.
If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massively
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
The goalposts haven't moved. The regulations state that a player over the age of 23 with 6 months or less remaining on his contract is free to negotiate a pre-contract agreement with another club.
Don't believe that's the case with moving from English club to English club. Think its one month prior to contract ending.
Just compare Taylor to Bauer and that’s all you need to do. One knows he is getting a big move, doesn’t want to jeopardise it, so refuses to play. The other knows he’s getting a big move, plays to the end, giving his all, honours his contract, then moves on.
I agree that Taylor should honour his contract but you can't compare the two situations.
If our season had run as normal and finished on 2 May away at Leeds i have no doubt at all that if fit, Taylor would've played. As even if injured you have at least 3 months until the new season.
But here you have a guy who is out of contract potentially one week after the season resumes. It's also been suggested that the new season may even resume as little as 3-4 weeks after the current one ends. It's understandable why he wouldn't want to risk getting injured and jeopardise a 20k a week contract offer.
The moral aspect of this is a massive one for me as well, besides the contractual.
Had we been in mid-table and relegation/promotion was highly unlikely anyway, then I’d actually have little issue with what is going on.
But knowing that we are in a relegation battle, and knowing that the future of the club could be on the line with everything that is going on...how could you look your team-mates in the eye again by doing this?!
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he is under contract!! He can’t pick and choose when he wants to play just because it suits him
im fairly certain that joe aribo knew the play off final would be his last for the club, did he refuse to play.
Players are given short term contracts. A promising youngster is sold, in the case of someone like Gomez, for relative pennies. They become heroes on the back of one or if you are lucky two seasons of football and villains if they leave on their terms.
Back in the 1970s we had at least 15 players who had played 200 plus games for us. When Solly goes we will have no one who has done so. In fact, we have one player, Pearce, who has played 100 matches for us. Where's the "Killer" Hales, "Flash" Flanagan, Phil Warman, Keith Peacock, Les Berry, Bob Curtis, Paddy Powell, Peter Reeves, Steve Gritt etc etc?
There is a minimal relationship between a young fan and a player. Ask a 10 year old fan next season who their favourite player is and I suspect that they will struggle to name one.
To the club, the player is a commodity. To the player, it's a job. That is the reality.
where is the vitriol aimed at him ?
apples and pears
am I missing something here
of course he’s being a selfish twunt but all this romantic bollox is just that
he like all of them are out for themselves
no amount of love from us will pay his bar bill or gambling debts in 5 years time
just ask Super Clive Mendonca
Is Chris worried about passing anything on to his family - Is it because he knows he's not getting anothwr deal and having had injury concerns for years wants to protect himself seeing he's probably not had a bumper pay deal
Its certainly obvious he's not off to a club higher in the Championship than where we're currently sitting is it
Either way dont you think its best to reserve judgement until the full facts are out there before looking like a prima domma whinging bitch?
If one thing is clear out of all this its that it dont matter if you've given a club endless years of service or whether you've used the club as a stepping stone, the only time when its acceptable is when the fans no longer want you which is nothing short of hypocritical.
Its not right that Footballers should be able to do this but in which case its the system that stinks rather than the actions of those taking advantage of it
People will complain about the obscene wages that Footballers get given yet not once will they stop and think that if the wage wasnt offered in the first place then they wouldnt be on that sort of money - Of course its never going to happen because if just one club were to take that stance then every other would take advantage of it
Yet is that still the fault of the Footballer?
where is solly going to end up, gillingham, A.F.C. Wimbledon? If he gets injured, these clubs won’t wait and will go elsewhere! If solly gets injured, he is unlikely to get a club again.
two different scenarios and two different markets.
solly had disappointed me but I understand why. Taylor is a con man like mouthall
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
I certainly won't clap him should I see him play for anoher team.
I don't like players picking and choosing when they play and I realise my views are old fashioned but it's a team game and far too many players forget that.
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
But can't help feeling deeply disappointed.
Right when we needed him the most.....
But Taylor didn't say Covid was the reason. Whilst as a consequence Covid may be related to Taylors situation due to timescales between seasons and reduced recovery time if he was to get Injured.
He's basically said I have an offer and I'm not playing due to risk of injury, or has been told he cannot play by his new club.
*I say “alleged“ as I wouldn’t be surprised if there was more to this than meets the eye, as with basically everything involving Charlton Athletic these days
The goalposts haven't moved. The regulations state that a player over the age of 23 with 6 months or less remaining on his contract is free to negotiate a pre-contract agreement with another club.
as in ' any professional would do the same'.
If one is a professional then you cant' choose which bits of the job you want to be professional about or at which times.
The refusal of Taylor to play (certainly in the forthcoming games between 20th June and the end of his contract)
is a clear breach of contract and therefore highly unprofessional.
Semantics I know and it doesn't change anything - its just that it really grates that that Lyle's actions are defended by some as being those of a professional when those actions bring both the profession and the individual into public disrepute.
I'm seeing it through professional integrity eyes. My anger is through a fan's eyes.
If our season had run as normal and finished on 2 May away at Leeds i have no doubt at all that if fit, Taylor would've played. As even if injured you have at least 3 months until the new season.
But here you have a guy who is out of contract potentially one week after the season resumes. It's also been suggested that the new season may even resume as little as 3-4 weeks after the current one ends. It's understandable why he wouldn't want to risk getting injured and jeopardise a 20k a week contract offer.
His contribution hasnt won us as many games as Taylors contribution, quite the complete opposite in some eyes......
Had we been in mid-table and relegation/promotion was highly unlikely anyway, then I’d actually have little issue with what is going on.
But knowing that we are in a relegation battle, and knowing that the future of the club could be on the line with everything that is going on...how could you look your team-mates in the eye again by doing this?!