So people reckon that if this was a normal season and we were about to enter the League One play offs /Final Taylor would refuse to play .... except this season isn’t like a normal season apples and pears am I missing something here of course he’s being a selfish twunt but all this romantic bollox is just that he like all of them are out for themselves no amount of love from us will pay his bar bill or gambling debts in 5 years time just ask Super Clive Mendonca
I mean it’s not “ romantic bollox”, it’s contract law.
I understand Taylor's actions but I think players should honour their contracts - I would feel less annoyed with him if he didn't play the social media game so much.
I certainly won't clap him should I see him play for anoher team.
I don't like players picking and choosing when they play and I realise my views are old fashioned but it's a team game and far too many players forget that.
If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massively
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massively
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
I understand Covid has created a situation in football.
But Taylor didn't say Covid was the reason. Whilst as a consequence Covid may be related to Taylors situation due to timescales between seasons and reduced recovery time if he was to get Injured.
He's basically said I have an offer and I'm not playing due to risk of injury, or has been told he cannot play by his new club.
If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massively
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
There’s one, quite a fundamental, difference between the way Taylor is allegedly* behaving and most other out of contract players are behaving though, isn’t there?
*I say “alleged“ as I wouldn’t be surprised if there was more to this than meets the eye, as with basically everything involving Charlton Athletic these days
Theres far too much leniency on here for me. If we’ve paid him he should play or give the money back. Yes lyle wants to look after himself, but we need to look after cafc who are in dire straits as it is.
If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massively
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
The goalposts haven't moved. The regulations state that a player over the age of 23 with 6 months or less remaining on his contract is free to negotiate a pre-contract agreement with another club.
99% of us would do exactly the same as Lyle's doing, were we in the same situation. It’s a profession after all.
Still gutted though.
No they wouldn't - not if they were in a 'profession' and being 'professional'.
I'm sorry Bob but being in the profession of football I do think that 99% of us would do the same. I have to say that listening to the responses of so many "fans" over the last 12 hours has been like listening to the whining of a 14 year old boy just dumped by his first girlfriend. "But she told me that she loved me!!"
I just want to take issue with this word 'professional' as being the central reasoning behind Taylor refusing to play. as in ' any professional would do the same'.
If one is a professional then you cant' choose which bits of the job you want to be professional about or at which times.
The refusal of Taylor to play (certainly in the forthcoming games between 20th June and the end of his contract) is a clear breach of contract and therefore highly unprofessional.
Semantics I know and it doesn't change anything - its just that it really grates that that Lyle's actions are defended by some as being those of a professional when those actions bring both the profession and the individual into public disrepute.
If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massively
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
The goalposts haven't moved. The regulations state that a player over the age of 23 with 6 months or less remaining on his contract is free to negotiate a pre-contract agreement with another club.
Don't believe that's the case with moving from English club to English club. Think its one month prior to contract ending.
Just compare Taylor to Bauer and that’s all you need to do. One knows he is getting a big move, doesn’t want to jeopardise it, so refuses to play. The other knows he’s getting a big move, plays to the end, giving his all, honours his contract, then moves on.
I agree that Taylor should honour his contract but you can't compare the two situations.
If our season had run as normal and finished on 2 May away at Leeds i have no doubt at all that if fit, Taylor would've played. As even if injured you have at least 3 months until the new season.
But here you have a guy who is out of contract potentially one week after the season resumes. It's also been suggested that the new season may even resume as little as 3-4 weeks after the current one ends. It's understandable why he wouldn't want to risk getting injured and jeopardise a 20k a week contract offer.
The moral aspect of this is a massive one for me as well, besides the contractual.
Had we been in mid-table and relegation/promotion was highly unlikely anyway, then I’d actually have little issue with what is going on.
But knowing that we are in a relegation battle, and knowing that the future of the club could be on the line with everything that is going on...how could you look your team-mates in the eye again by doing this?!
Damages for breach. Earnings and potential earnings.
We won't pay him.
He won't care.
Lyle you were, for 18 months, a top man in my eyes. You've just lost that respect.
Play games until 30 June then you are free to choose. By admitting you won't give your all in the meantime, another little part of my love for this game died in front of my very eyes.
This is right now, as close as I have ever been to giving up on Charlton and modern day football.
RIP CAFC. I'm beginning to see no way back for us.
The moral aspect of this is a massive one for me as well, besides the contractual.
Had we been in mid-table and relegation/promotion was highly unlikely anyway, then I’d actually have little issue with what is going on.
But knowing that we are in a relegation battle, and knowing that the future of the club could be on the line with everything that is going on...how could you look your team-mates in the eye again by doing this?!
I completely agree with you but think this is an increasingly old fashioned view.
Damages for breach. Earnings and potential earnings.
We won't pay him.
He won't care.
Lyle you were, for 18 months, a top man in my eyes. You've just lost that respect.
Play games until 30 June then you are free to choose. By admitting you won't give your all in the meantime, another little part of my love for this game died in front of my very eyes.
This is right now, as close as I have ever been to giving up on Charlton and modern day football.
RIP CAFC. I'm beginning to see no way back for us.
99% of us would do exactly the same as Lyle's doing, were we in the same situation. It’s a profession after all.
Still gutted though.
Don't agree with that, he's under contract I think more people would honour it than not. After June 30th I'd have no problem with him not playing.
We’re seeing this through fans’ eyes.
JamesSeed, I am afraid I absolutely and fundamentally disagree with you. This may sound old fashioned but being a professional shouldn't and doesn't just mean you "have" a profession. It means acting professionally, with integrity, with values etc. As someone else said on here there are over 300 Championship players whose contracts run out at the end of the season. Thus far I am only aware of one who has said they don't want to honour their contract because they might potentially get injured and jeopardise a new contract with another club. Even if there are others who find less "honest" ways of avoiding playing, that doesn't make them right either.
Morals/romance/loyalty have nothing to do with this debate - that would influence anything that happened post 30th of June. Up until that point he is contracted to Charlton Athletic and it is not “old fashioned”, “romantic” or “a fans eye view” to expect him to fulfil his contract.
Are there actually any professions where an employee's contract stipulates they cannot leave at any time they choose?
Lyle can't expect his wages for June but I don't really see why shouldn't tell his obnoxious employers that he's found something better!
Footballers can ultimately do what they want but they understand the nature of the game. Lyle plays the social media game with the fans so presumably can expect more of a reaction as a result.
Damages for breach. Earnings and potential earnings.
We won't pay him.
He won't care.
Lyle you were, for 18 months, a top man in my eyes. You've just lost that respect.
Play games until 30 June then you are free to choose. By admitting you won't give your all in the meantime, another little part of my love for this game died in front of my very eyes.
This is right now, as close as I have ever been to giving up on Charlton and modern day football.
RIP CAFC. I'm beginning to see no way back for us.
Nonsense. Far better players than Taylor have left us.
We'll get a new owner and even if it's in league one, we'll move on.
If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massively
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
The goalposts haven't moved. The regulations state that a player over the age of 23 with 6 months or less remaining on his contract is free to negotiate a pre-contract agreement with another club.
Don't believe that's the case with moving from English club to English club. Think its one month prior to contract ending.
Yes you are correct - English Club to English Club is one month. So from yesterday he was free to negotiate a deal with another English club.
It always seemed to me that the Montserrat stuff was just a glorified holiday whenever it came up. I’m sure he was proud to represent them but it does wind me up that he was prepared to risk getting injured for them but not for us when he is contracted to keep playing.
They were trying to qualify for the Gold Cup which as a shop window gets players from these small countries into the MLS.
I think Lyle hates ESI as much as we all do. But sadly that hate and other factors is more than his love for the manager, team mates and us fans.
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Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
I certainly won't clap him should I see him play for anoher team.
I don't like players picking and choosing when they play and I realise my views are old fashioned but it's a team game and far too many players forget that.
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
But can't help feeling deeply disappointed.
Right when we needed him the most.....
But Taylor didn't say Covid was the reason. Whilst as a consequence Covid may be related to Taylors situation due to timescales between seasons and reduced recovery time if he was to get Injured.
He's basically said I have an offer and I'm not playing due to risk of injury, or has been told he cannot play by his new club.
*I say “alleged“ as I wouldn’t be surprised if there was more to this than meets the eye, as with basically everything involving Charlton Athletic these days
The goalposts haven't moved. The regulations state that a player over the age of 23 with 6 months or less remaining on his contract is free to negotiate a pre-contract agreement with another club.
as in ' any professional would do the same'.
If one is a professional then you cant' choose which bits of the job you want to be professional about or at which times.
The refusal of Taylor to play (certainly in the forthcoming games between 20th June and the end of his contract)
is a clear breach of contract and therefore highly unprofessional.
Semantics I know and it doesn't change anything - its just that it really grates that that Lyle's actions are defended by some as being those of a professional when those actions bring both the profession and the individual into public disrepute.
I'm seeing it through professional integrity eyes. My anger is through a fan's eyes.
If our season had run as normal and finished on 2 May away at Leeds i have no doubt at all that if fit, Taylor would've played. As even if injured you have at least 3 months until the new season.
But here you have a guy who is out of contract potentially one week after the season resumes. It's also been suggested that the new season may even resume as little as 3-4 weeks after the current one ends. It's understandable why he wouldn't want to risk getting injured and jeopardise a 20k a week contract offer.
His contribution hasnt won us as many games as Taylors contribution, quite the complete opposite in some eyes......
Had we been in mid-table and relegation/promotion was highly unlikely anyway, then I’d actually have little issue with what is going on.
But knowing that we are in a relegation battle, and knowing that the future of the club could be on the line with everything that is going on...how could you look your team-mates in the eye again by doing this?!
Damages for breach. Earnings and potential earnings.
We won't pay him.
He won't care.
Lyle you were, for 18 months, a top man in my eyes. You've just lost that respect.
Play games until 30 June then you are free to choose. By admitting you won't give your all in the meantime, another little part of my love for this game died in front of my very eyes.
This is right now, as close as I have ever been to giving up on Charlton and modern day football.
RIP CAFC. I'm beginning to see no way back for us.
Lyle can't expect his wages for June but I don't really see why shouldn't tell his obnoxious employers that he's found something better!
He's looked after himself but fans feel let down.
We'll get a new owner and even if it's in league one, we'll move on.
I noticed that Lyle liked a comment on insta from Dexter Blackstock saying the club should offer him a 1 year deal.
Maybe, just maybe he is holding out for that? We can only hope. I think there's better chance of seeing pigs fly but hey ho.
I think Lyle hates ESI as much as we all do. But sadly that hate and other factors is more than his love for the manager, team mates and us fans.