1.)let him run down his contract at his current wage will be here till jan ( recieve a small fee ) or end of season ( recieve nothing ) 2.) offer him a new contract now with a mark up on salary - the danger he may not be as good at this level he is 29 and never played at this level 3.) wait until jan see what he has done, offer a new contract based on what hes done so far.
if he was offered a contract similarly to other clubs then he still left - wanker if he was offered a contract no where near other clubs and he left - fair play cheers for the goals.
if he wanted to leave say at start of season not 2 days before window closes where he knows we will be a.) up shit creek b.) unlikely to sell him.
who knows what goes on behind the scenes.
so far he has played 1 game and got 1 goal the only example i can use is Ryan sessegnon - championship was on fire - premier league dont nothing of note admittedly played for a crap team'
Wilson will be the same for Bournemouth this season
players jump up leagues and clubs throw silly money about.
You have a 1 year contract ane no idea what is happening with the ownership of that company.
Another comapny comes and offers you a 3 year contract on triple the wages, to do the exact same thing, close enough that u wouldnt need to move either.
Can you honestly say you wouldnt want to leave.
If Roland is in charge Lyle isnt getting a new contract with us, then come April what if he does his ACL, he is screwed then, without the security of a contract
Dont kiss the badge at Wembley if it’s all just about money. Personally would’ve sold him - no one is bigger than the club - what’s the relationship going to be like now with the people that pay to watch him?
Honestly, I just cannot fathom why someone would have a view like this. Why can't you have 'passion' and also care about your lively-hood and long term finances?
Geezer has made thousands per week for 6/7 years plus couple of bigger signing on fees - doubt he’s scraping the barrel.
All the guff about playing for bowyer is rubbish.
So you are doing your job, and doing it well, and the opportunity to move to another company who will pay you double what you are earning for the same job comes about, and your workplace effectively block this from happening, you wouldn't be unhappy?
Haven’t followed this thread so probably have been said before. But I can’t see how anyone can criticise Taylor for considering/ wanting to go. Or even remotely compare to Parker.
Context - Parker was 23, with a whole career ahead of him and already on a long contract for 15grand a week / 750k a year and playing at the top level. So aside from loyalty to us, even though Chels were offering him x3, he was already pretty set and as it turns out would very possibly have worked out better long term for him if he’d stayed with us a bit longer.
In contrast, Taylor is 29. He’s had a far from lucrative career, earning probably 50k a year for most of it and even only 100k a year until he joined us a year ago. Big salaries but also human salaries in London, certainly nowhere near setup in a city where the average house price is half a million. If he’s now only 300k a year for us, even for a couple of years, obviously that’s mad money - but still not enough to set himself up for life given his career will probably be over in a couple of years.
And this could all go wrong for him if he suddenly struggles in the champ or gets an injury. Missed the contract/ opportunity and lost out on a million quid and career over.
and to add to all of that - he is playing for what is still very much a pony, sell-up shambles of a club. Unlike Parker, he owes us nothing. I do not blame any single individual who has left us since January 2014, from kermogant stephens poyet to Bauer aribo Grant.
I’m ecstatic he’s still here, hope we somehow get taken over and give him the big new contract he deserves same as what Brentford would’ve paid him. And all he can do now is get his down and try and keep playing well and scoring goals and hopefully that’ll work out for him whether with us or in Jan with another move opportunity.
You have a 1 year contract ane no idea what is happening with the ownership of that company.
Another comapny comes and offers you a 3 year contract on triple the wages, to do the exact same thing, close enough that u wouldnt need to move either.
Can you honestly say you wouldnt want to leave.
If Roland is in charge Lyle isnt getting a new contract with us, then come April what if he does his ACL, he is screwed then, without the security of a contract
Dont kiss the badge at Wembley if it’s all just about money. Personally would’ve sold him - no one is bigger than the club - what’s the relationship going to be like now with the people that pay to watch him?
Honestly, I just cannot fathom why someone would have a view like this. Why can't you have 'passion' and also care about your lively-hood and long term finances?
Geezer has made thousands per week for 6/7 years plus couple of bigger signing on fees - doubt he’s scraping the barrel.
All the guff about playing for bowyer is rubbish.
So you are doing your job, and doing it well, and the opportunity to move to another company who will pay you double what you are earning for the same job comes about, and your workplace effectively block this from happening, you wouldn't be unhappy?
Yeah but Dan doesn't kiss the Tesco badge every day at work.
You have a 1 year contract ane no idea what is happening with the ownership of that company.
Another comapny comes and offers you a 3 year contract on triple the wages, to do the exact same thing, close enough that u wouldnt need to move either.
Can you honestly say you wouldnt want to leave.
If Roland is in charge Lyle isnt getting a new contract with us, then come April what if he does his ACL, he is screwed then, without the security of a contract
Dont kiss the badge at Wembley if it’s all just about money. Personally would’ve sold him - no one is bigger than the club - what’s the relationship going to be like now with the people that pay to watch him?
Honestly, I just cannot fathom why someone would have a view like this. Why can't you have 'passion' and also care about your lively-hood and long term finances?
Geezer has made thousands per week for 6/7 years plus couple of bigger signing on fees - doubt he’s scraping the barrel.
All the guff about playing for bowyer is rubbish.
I doubt he has been earning 'thousands a week' for 6-7 years.
6 years ago he was at Falkirk in the Scottish first division. What do you reckon they paid him? 4 years ago he was at Scunthorpe in league 2. I doubt they pay fortunes. Then he spent 3 years at Wimbledon, i doubt they paid thousands a week either.
Whilst i agree he won't be scraping the barrel, he's only really been earning good money since he joined us on 5-6k a week. I don't think anyone on here can possibly blame him for being interested in a move to a club willing to pay him 20k a week. At the end of the day he's a Charlton player and it's just a job, he's not a Charlton fan.
I get your point. But he’s earning £20k a month, reportedly, it’s a bit different to an office job in town.
Its a shame football, whether it’s Man Utd or Welling, is all about money.
I am sorry, but it is literally not different at all. Plenty of people work in high profile, higher paid jobs which are not football and move to other companies to earn more money.
I get your point. But he’s earning £20k a month, reportedly, it’s a bit different to an office job in town.
Its a shame football, whether it’s Man Utd or Welling, is all about money.
Why wouldn't it be, being a footballer is hardly a vocation is it. He's got concrete proof that he's worth more than what we are offering currently. He is right to not be happy, particularly when the club were offered good money, but I'm sure he will accept it. I doubt he will be signing a new contract in the next few weeks unless we match Brenford's terms, but once he's settled back down if we make a sensible offer he may sign it. Or he may not and take his chances in Jan or at the end of the season.
Remember he's not only missed out on an increase in wages but also any loyalty bonus from us on the way out and signing on fee on the way in to Brentford. That could be £500k as well
I don't see anything wrong with the Taylor situation really. He likes it here, he had a great season. A team who are well run and are a possibility for promotion to the Premier League, which is the aspiration for any English footballer, came in with a big bid for him by our standards. He evidently has said he would like to discuss terms with him. They may have already made him an offer and it would have been substantially higher than what he's on now. He was told no, didn't hand in a transfer request, and Bowyer has said he's disappointed but he'll deal with it fine. That's it. The idea that this is somehow a betrayal and that everything he's ever said about liking Charlton is now a lie is embarrassing. I'm actually embarrassed for the people whose mentality towards a player showing interest in a move and then not trying to force it and carrying on is to fly into a rage. All this 'fuck him then, he's not bigger than the club' stuff is shameful; players aren't wankers just for moving clubs, especially at this level where they get dumped for not being good enough just as much as they get lucrative moves. It happens, and in this case, it didn't. We win! It's fine!
A lot of football fans have descended into a weird mentality where a player leaving is taken as a personal insult. We seem to boo players who left under any circumstances by default now. It's weird, I can't imagine having the energy to get so riled up and hate so many people. I'm tired just getting out of bed in the morning.
The biggest test of man management will be how Bowyer gets the best from Lyle... Bowyer's down to earth manner is a huge asset and something that could see this club genuinely rising back up...
Part and parcel of being a football fan is being annoyed when your star player fucks off to another club. I don't get the abuse on twitter, but I do find it weird how many people jump to defend these players on here.
I'm a Charlton fan, not a Lyle Taylor fan, and therefore I want what's best for the club. Personally not that arsed if he can add a few extra zeros to his pension pot.
Whilst it's all conjecture he signed for Sheffield United after Falkirk. They were very high payers for League One level, all his subsequent transfers he probably maintained or improved his salary.
Taking into account the wages and money wasted on Ajose, and virtually every striker signed during the Duchatelet area, he's the one player who deserves Champ wages and we definitely need to keep. Maybe not at Brentford wages, but he deserves a significant pay rise
He's a big boy, score goals and he will get a much improved contract or a well paid move, if we do well he will want to stay, Brentford might be just ahead us currently but under Bowyer we can quickly overtake them, Roland dependant of course.
If that twat wasn't chairman we wouldn't even be having this discussion. A new improved contract would have been offered and signed in May, if not last January.
21 year old player earning £60k a week leaves for £80k a week = wanker. 29 year old player earning £5k a week leaves for £15k a week = sensible.
Must be a bitter blow to Bows, you can see how much he has improved Taylors game, and even addressed making him a better all round player, which he has done, after all that hard work he wants out. Without Bows, Taylor would most likely still be a standard league 1 striker. Cant blame Taylor however, wanting to better his finances long-term.
If fit, he will definitely start on Saturday. And if not fit, he will probably start on Saturday.
Agree. Lyle Taylor despite becoming Scott Parker according to a few cockwombles. Will play, has to play, needs to feel love and will get one if not 2 yellow card against the potters.
Lyle Taylor was only on Twitter for about a year according to one source ? That's right I heard it from the horse's mouth and welcome to the mandatory world where you can go from Hero to Zero by making a career change because your boss has engineered it. You couldn't make it up, But folk do to suit their narrative and to pass on fake news.
Has Lyle Taylor gone from prince charming to the panto villain ? Oh yes he has, oh no he hasn't. 99.9% of Cafc fans will give the answer that Lyle Taylor Baby is alive and kicking.
Off the soapbox Sam... he wanted to leave not engineered by the boss. It's disappointing for people. No need for people to throw abuse about but he is hero worshipped by plenty so i can therefore understand people being upset.
Twitter isn't a place for those easily offended, it can be really cruel. Lyle is now off twitter but that comes across as bit sulky to me. He is more loved on there from what i can see and should just mute the abusers.
Decent point about muting the abusers B, but I think he’s maybe thinking just let it die down completely for the time being so as to stop a lot of the furore. Who knows. I think we’re seeing a huge change in the way the world interacts with one another in general because of social media, certainly football. When I did the upbeats walk with Paul Mortimer a couple of years ago, he talked me and whoever was next to him through how from a very early age, pro footballers are taught to be wary of and learn how much interaction they should have with fans for a number of reasons, which means they (in his day anyway), tend to socialise with teammates and I guess a certain level of institutionalisation kicks in.
Football has grown massively in popularity since then and social media has just given the whole world a platform to interact and communicate in a way that wasn’t foreseeable 10 years ago. It’s good and it’s bad. Lyle, being what I would class as social media friendly, confident and outgoing, embraces it as a way of showing his personality, and his personality isn’t going to be for everyone. I think social media creates a false sense of familiarisation and ‘relationships’. Here is a good example. There are many posters who I like and respect and think I would get on with, but we may not have met and don’t actually know one another. And these ‘relationships/interactions’ are on a community we all contribute to and access daily.
This whole episode is something I see that could become more prevalent over the years. I like the player interactions on social media as I think it helps form a bond with the fans, but unfortunately there will always be a minority who think it means they can say and interact how they like, and for players they’ll just need to be a bit more mindful of what they say and how things may escalate
He has a contract at Charlton, it’s his choice if he sees it out (the term “running down” a contract is nonsense and unfair as it is never applied to players who aren’t doing well and won’t be offered a new deal). At the end of his contract if he chooses to go somewhere else for less, more or the same money he is fully entitled to and he has no obligation to Charlton Athletic.
the only thing i always think in these situations.
at 5pm last saturday he was quite happy to be at charlton even posting on instagram his delight at bagging on championship debut
so he was quite happy to be earning as per contract then.
i think he should maybe get a 50% rise now then if possible raise it by more if people come looking in january.
bit like a bonus system at work, if we have a good year i get a decent drink at xmas.
Of course he was, and then he would probably be happier earning three times as much as someone offered to him.
he must of known clubs would come in for him, he was the best striker in league 1 last year
the whole twitter business is strange but just part of modern life.
Why is it strange?
A bloke who uses a social media platform to have what are usually quiet jovial interactions with fans all of a sudden starts to receive vile abuse because it is rumoured he may be considering moving to another club for 3 times the salary he is currently earning.
Just because football fans are 'passionate' and pay money to follow their team everywhere does not give them any ownership or right at all to have a say in what a player decides to do with his own future.
No wonder he wants to take some time away from that.
The abuse Taylor got, and he had not even gone ,or as far as I know ,asked to go,was utterly out of order.If he plays on saturday,which I hope he does,I trust the more mentally stable supporters(which is the vast majority)will let him know what we think of him and how much we appreciate his efforts on the pitch.Lyle,ignore these stupid,cowardly moronic pricks,who hide behind there phones and keyboards,they are not what Charlton is about.
Crikey. I think this is the first time that I have agreed 100 per cent with what you have written.
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1.)let him run down his contract at his current wage will be here till jan ( recieve a small fee ) or end of season ( recieve nothing )
2.) offer him a new contract now with a mark up on salary - the danger he may not be as good at this level he is 29 and never played at this level
3.) wait until jan see what he has done, offer a new contract based on what hes done so far.
if he was offered a contract similarly to other clubs then he still left - wanker
if he was offered a contract no where near other clubs and he left - fair play cheers for the goals.
if he wanted to leave say at start of season not 2 days before window closes where he knows we will be a.) up shit creek b.) unlikely to sell him.
who knows what goes on behind the scenes.
so far he has played 1 game and got 1 goal the only example i can use is Ryan sessegnon - championship was on fire - premier league dont nothing of note admittedly played for a crap team'
Wilson will be the same for Bournemouth this season
players jump up leagues and clubs throw silly money about.
Its a shame football, whether it’s Man Utd or Welling, is all about money.
6 years ago he was at Falkirk in the Scottish first division. What do you reckon they paid him?
4 years ago he was at Scunthorpe in league 2. I doubt they pay fortunes.
Then he spent 3 years at Wimbledon, i doubt they paid thousands a week either.
Whilst i agree he won't be scraping the barrel, he's only really been earning good money since he joined us on 5-6k a week. I don't think anyone on here can possibly blame him for being interested in a move to a club willing to pay him 20k a week. At the end of the day he's a Charlton player and it's just a job, he's not a Charlton fan.
Remember he's not only missed out on an increase in wages but also any loyalty bonus from us on the way out and signing on fee on the way in to Brentford. That could be £500k as well
A lot of football fans have descended into a weird mentality where a player leaving is taken as a personal insult. We seem to boo players who left under any circumstances by default now. It's weird, I can't imagine having the energy to get so riled up and hate so many people. I'm tired just getting out of bed in the morning.
I'm a Charlton fan, not a Lyle Taylor fan, and therefore I want what's best for the club. Personally not that arsed if he can add a few extra zeros to his pension pot.
Taking into account the wages and money wasted on Ajose, and virtually every striker signed during the Duchatelet area, he's the one player who deserves Champ wages and we definitely need to keep. Maybe not at Brentford wages, but he deserves a significant pay rise
21 year old player earning £60k a week leaves for £80k a week = wanker.
29 year old player earning £5k a week leaves for £15k a week = sensible.
Football has grown massively in popularity since then and social media has just given the whole world a platform to interact and communicate in a way that wasn’t foreseeable 10 years ago. It’s good and it’s bad. Lyle, being what I would class as social media friendly, confident and outgoing, embraces it as a way of showing his personality, and his personality isn’t going to be for everyone. I think social media creates a false sense of familiarisation and ‘relationships’. Here is a good example. There are many posters who I like and respect and think I would get on with, but we may not have met and don’t actually know one another. And these ‘relationships/interactions’ are on a community we all contribute to and access daily.
This whole episode is something I see that could become more prevalent over the years. I like the player interactions on social media as I think it helps form a bond with the fans, but unfortunately there will always be a minority who think it means they can say and interact how they like, and for players they’ll just need to be a bit more mindful of what they say and how things may escalate
at 5pm last saturday he was quite happy to be at charlton even posting on instagram his delight at bagging on championship debut
so he was quite happy to be earning as per contract then.
i think he should maybe get a 50% rise now then if possible raise it by more if people come looking in january.
bit like a bonus system at work, if we have a good year i get a decent drink at xmas.
the whole twitter business is strange but just part of modern life.
A bloke who uses a social media platform to have what are usually quiet jovial interactions with fans all of a sudden starts to receive vile abuse because it is rumoured he may be considering moving to another club for 3 times the salary he is currently earning.
Just because football fans are 'passionate' and pay money to follow their team everywhere does not give them any ownership or right at all to have a say in what a player decides to do with his own future.
No wonder he wants to take some time away from that.
Especially when Bows told him to F off home