I learnt something else recently, maybe others heard it years ago, but apparently in Fergie's reign at Man U, no player was allowed to earn more than he was. That makes a lot of sense overall. Undermines a manager's authority if you have players swanning around earning more than him.
Maybe ESI are trying to get some kind of salary discipline in place, and maybe that's one of their rules.
In the "real world" of management recruitment, which I work in now, a good company aims to pay its key people a salary that may not be best in market, but is only bettered by other companies where the risk to the employee of going there is higher. The player market is much wilder than in this real world, of course, but some sort of discipline like that has to be imposed by owners who want a well run club. As others have said, there are risks to Lyle going to those other clubs that have been mentioned, especially because he isn't a benchwarmer, that guy wants to play every week.
There is of course another element. If he accepted our 16k offer, it may not be him that loses out so much compared to if he went off to Rangers. It would be his agent.
Swansea, Sheffield Wednesday, West Brom and Rangers
Parachute payments and likely to lose Ayew. Would need another striker Dodgy FFP compliance - a points deduction would destroy any chance of promotion, not sure why they need Lyle anyway Parachute payments, again not sure why they would need Lyle seeing that Charlie Austin is on the bench Mickey Mouse league but European football
As much as we can point out how shite Scottish football is I'd imagine Rangers would be very attractive to Lyle. Reckon he'd score a good few goals and have 45k people cheering his name. Something that would definitely appeal to his ego.
Part of me says keep him until the summer, see where the land lies and how ESI would want to invest dependent where we find ourselves as a club. I'd love Lyle to do a Bauer and give everything until the end of the season. Dont think anyone would then deny him the chance to move on. The other part though would think 2 chances to move being blocked would have a significant impact on his mindset and he'd become a disruption to then team.
Cant say I'm surprised, I seem to remember an interview with Lyle where he said he doesn't support a team or watch any football at home as it doesn't interest him because football is a job to him, he will always go to whichever bidder is offering the most.
I wish him well, enjoyed watching him play and will never forget his part in us getting promotion but there were better players before him and I'm sure there will be more after.
Isn’t his current deal structured around bonuses with Sunderland offering him a better basic than we did when we were both in for him before he came here?
Well, OK, we both have sources to respect and protect. So I will just say that I totally agree with you that 10k minimum is his current salary value. That being the case I find it difficult to believe that he hasn't been offered more, because I believe these guys have a good handle on overall salaries in this division and across UK football. Tabling such an offer would almost have been a waste of everyone's time.
So it's already been confirmed that Lyle has been offered a significant wage increase. In this day and age significant isn't 9k for a championship player, wasn't even Bauer offered 10k or thereabouts under Roland?
Someone has been misinformed one way or another.
I personally don't believe at all that new owners have come in, paid over the odds for our club, banged the drum about making us great etc and then offered our star player under 10k a week. That sort of wage wouldn't even see us even be play off hopefuls let alone return to the premier league.
I have a hunch this is more about his personal ambition/looking at his biological clock rather than it being a money issue.
Oh well, it’s football. He’s always worked his bollocks off when he’s played and he’s scored bundles.
ESI need to really back Bowyer and Gallen this window now. I’m really not keen on the Blackpool lad but then what do I know.
You're not alone, decent league 1 player but doesn't look championship level from the few clips & goals that I have seen. Not saying he couldn't become one but we are desperate for a proven goalscorer at this level NOW. Of course where we find one is a little tricky.
It is what it is. I appreciate what he's done for us and his goals will be hard to replace, but we'll find a decent replacement. That's the first thing Southall did was tell Lee to buy a striker.
The fans will find a new favorite. Mine continues to be Jonny Williams, the man who took a pay cut to stay with us. While I dont blame Lyle for looking for more money, it is still refreshing to have the likes of Williams and Solly in the team who have a bit of loyalty to Charlton
Seen it suggested a few times that Jonny Williams “took a paycut” to stay with us.
That isn’t strictly true.
Yes, he is earning less money than he was on for his previous contract. But he didn’t ‘choose’ us over an alternative option that would have given him more money. He took time in the Summer to evaluate his options and see what he could get - and no club was going to offer him the money that he was on previously, and hence he re-signed with us.
Very different to ‘taking a pay cut to be with Charlton’
It is what it is. I appreciate what he's done for us and his goals will be hard to replace, but we'll find a decent replacement. That's the first thing Southall did was tell Lee to buy a striker.
The fans will find a new favorite. Mine continues to be Jonny Williams, the man who took a pay cut to stay with us. While I dont blame Lyle for looking for more money, it is still refreshing to have the likes of Williams and Solly in the team who have a bit of loyalty to Charlton
Seen it suggested a few times that Jonny Williams “took a paycut” to stay with us.
That isn’t strictly true.
Yes, he is earning less money than he was on for his previous contract. But he didn’t ‘choose’ us over an alternative option that would have given him more money. He took time in the Summer to evaluate his options and see what he could get - and no club was going to offer him the money that he was on previously, and hence he re-signed with us.
Very different to ‘taking a pay cut to be with Charlton’
I assumed it to mean that JW took less money to be with Charlton than he was being offered by other clubs, but have nothing to base that on apart from rumours
Everyone who joins us does it for the love of Charlton and nothing whatsoever to do with us offering more money than elsewhere . Everyone who leaves us , that we don’t want to , is a greedy money grabbing so and so
Everyone who joins us does it for the love of Charlton and nothing whatsoever to do with us offering more money than elsewhere . Everyone who leaves us , that we don’t want to , is a greedy money grabbing so and so
Just putting this out there, probably a load of crap but anyway.......
Could be that posters itk are being told different things.....maybe to smoke out their sources as Southall realises there are leaks in the camp. It seems @Redhenry has been told different to what has been told to @PragueAddick or @blackpool72 .
Out of the teams mentioned earlier I can't see WBA wanting him as they have enough decent strikers & Taylor is a first choice man.....not a bench warmer. Sheff W are not much a better bet then us (football wise). Not sure if Brentford now need a main striker but at least have a decent shout of the play-offs. Leeds only have 1 striker (Bamford) and he isn't enough to get them promoted. Rangers will pay silly money (fee & wages) and can give Taylor European football. Out of the 4 teams my money is on Leeds first & then Rangers.
We dont need to sell Taylor so if he doesnt sign a new contract we could just keep him & let him run down his contract. Cant see us getting much more than £2m for him so unless that money is needed for other purchases then just keep him. As the statement said, he's not on a transfer list but we will listen to offers. A decent offer & he goes......a cheeky one & he stays.
Finally his injury. If he is as injured as made out (ie, cant play for 2-3 weeks) then will any club be interested ?? Will he pass a medical...? Will be very interesting how this all pans out.
Just putting this put there, probably a load of crap but anyway.......
Could be that posters itk are being told different things.....maybe to smoke out their sources as Southall realises there are leaks in the camp.
Out of the teams mentioned earlier I can't see WBA wanting him as they have enough decent strikers & Taylor is a first choice man.....not a bench warmer. Sheff W are not much a better bet then us (football wise). Not sure if Brentford now need a main striker but at least have a decent shout of the play-offs. Leeds only have 1 striker (Bamford) and he isn't enough to get them promoted. Rangers will pay silly money (fee & wages) and can give Taylor European football. Out of the 4 teams my money is on Leeds first & then Rangers.
We dont need to sell Taylor so if he doesnt sign a new contract we could just keep him & let him run down his contract. Cant see us getting much more than £2m for him so unless that money is needed for other purchases then just keep him. As the statement said, he's not on a transfer list but we will listen to offers. A decent offer & he goes......a cheeky one & he stays.
Finally his injury. If he is as injured as made out (ie, cant play for 2-3 weeks) then will any club be interested ?? Will he pass a medical...? Will be very interesting how this all pans out.
Apparently we offered 18k a week and a 3 year deal plus some bonuses.
To those saying he will get double/treble at other clubs I can’t see many clubs least of all rangers paying much more than us, for a player who despite what people say isn’t fully proved at this level.
The Facebook group is good for a chuckle I think Some fans are going to have banners out saying good luck Lyle, he’s a football player he’s good at his job that’s it.
Apparently we offered 18k a week and a 3 year deal plus some bonuses.
To those saying he will get double/treble at other clubs I can’t see many clubs least of all rangers paying much more than us, for a player who despite what people say isn’t fully proved at this level.
The Facebook group is good for a chuckle I think Some fans are going to have banners out saying good luck Lyle, he’s a football player he’s good at his job that’s it.
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Maybe ESI are trying to get some kind of salary discipline in place, and maybe that's one of their rules.
In the "real world" of management recruitment, which I work in now, a good company aims to pay its key people a salary that may not be best in market, but is only bettered by other companies where the risk to the employee of going there is higher. The player market is much wilder than in this real world, of course, but some sort of discipline like that has to be imposed by owners who want a well run club. As others have said, there are risks to Lyle going to those other clubs that have been mentioned, especially because he isn't a benchwarmer, that guy wants to play every week.
There is of course another element. If he accepted our 16k offer, it may not be him that loses out so much compared to if he went off to Rangers. It would be his agent.
Totally not what I've been told
Are you saying Taylor has been offered less than 10k a week.
Staggering if true.
Part of me says keep him until the summer, see where the land lies and how ESI would want to invest dependent where we find ourselves as a club. I'd love Lyle to do a Bauer and give everything until the end of the season. Dont think anyone would then deny him the chance to move on. The other part though would think 2 chances to move being blocked would have a significant impact on his mindset and he'd become a disruption to then team.
RH says it's nowhere near!
The mind boggles
I wish him well, enjoyed watching him play and will never forget his part in us getting promotion but there were better players before him and I'm sure there will be more after.
or am I making that up?
Someone has been misinformed one way or another.
I personally don't believe at all that new owners have come in, paid over the odds for our club, banged the drum about making us great etc and then offered our star player under 10k a week. That sort of wage wouldn't even see us even be play off hopefuls let alone return to the premier league.
I have a hunch this is more about his personal ambition/looking at his biological clock rather than it being a money issue.
That isn’t strictly true.
Yes, he is earning less money than he was on for his previous contract. But he didn’t ‘choose’ us over an alternative option that would have given him more money. He took time in the Summer to evaluate his options and see what he could get - and no club was going to offer him the money that he was on previously, and hence he re-signed with us.
Very different to ‘taking a pay cut to be with Charlton’
I assumed it to mean that JW took less money to be with Charlton than he was being offered by other clubs, but have nothing to base that on apart from rumours
Everyone who leaves us , that we don’t want to , is a greedy money grabbing so and so
Could be that posters itk are being told different things.....maybe to smoke out their sources as Southall realises there are leaks in the camp. It seems @Redhenry has been told different to what has been told to @PragueAddick or @blackpool72 .
Out of the teams mentioned earlier I can't see WBA wanting him as they have enough decent strikers & Taylor is a first choice man.....not a bench warmer. Sheff W are not much a better bet then us (football wise). Not sure if Brentford now need a main striker but at least have a decent shout of the play-offs. Leeds only have 1 striker (Bamford) and he isn't enough to get them promoted. Rangers will pay silly money (fee & wages) and can give Taylor European football. Out of the 4 teams my money is on Leeds first & then Rangers.
We dont need to sell Taylor so if he doesnt sign a new contract we could just keep him & let him run down his contract. Cant see us getting much more than £2m for him so unless that money is needed for other purchases then just keep him. As the statement said, he's not on a transfer list but we will listen to offers. A decent offer & he goes......a cheeky one & he stays.
Finally his injury. If he is as injured as made out (ie, cant play for 2-3 weeks) then will any club be interested ?? Will he pass a medical...? Will be very interesting how this all pans out.