If someone offered to pay me £1.5m rather than £500k and then £5k extra a week and my job was going to end in 2-4 years I’d be taking the money no matter how much I liked my current boss.
And still people argue posts like this!
But where's the 'loyalty' mate.
Where's the loyalty when clubs cancel contracts or after a dip in form flog a player cheap?
If someone offered to pay me £1.5m rather than £500k and then £5k extra a week and my job was going to end in 2-4 years I’d be taking the money no matter how much I liked my current boss.
And still people argue posts like this!
Pretty pointless arguing it when he signed for us on more money after seeing out his contract at Wimbledon. Did we moan then that it was disrespectful to Wimbledon and that he owed Wimbledon for resurrecting his career?
If someone offered to pay me £1.5m rather than £500k and then £5k extra a week and my job was going to end in 2-4 years I’d be taking the money no matter how much I liked my current boss.
Absolutely. What I wouldn't do is dick around trying to negotiate a few extra quid causing problems all round. I'd thank the boss for the support and go or stay and do my job.
Who said he’s trying to negotiate? He has rejected the offer. What if he wants to go but we want to keep him until the summer?
What would you do if you wanted to leave your job but your boss told you that you had to stay for a few months?
I'd stay and do my job until my contract finished, exactly like Lyle will, he'll put in a lot more effort than I would too!
Not that easy, not everyone has contracts that expire. That was my point to the OP, Lyle can’t get up and leave like most employees.
That’s right, he signed a contract for two years with no outs. That was his choice. Nobody made him do it. It was the best deal for him at the time. If he thought a big offer was coming along, he just needed to negotiate a release clause.
Also, this is a two way street, he can’t just walk away, but how many clubs are stuck with crap players. If it was the real world they’d just be sacked for poor performance.
Is that not exactly what he’s doing though? I have seen no shred of evidence that Taylor is refusing to play etc. He’s perfectly entitled to say he wants to go. Not playing or putting in 100% if he does stay beyond January is a different matter. But he didn’t do that in September and I doubt he will know.
I was going to post this the other day but had to wait for my account to be approved, I know this is getting a bit tedious but this guy is very reliable and rarely posts unless he's 100% sure (worth a follow for any transfer tips)
Right I’m gonna be that annoying poster who doesn’t name his source etc but I had a catch with someone yesterday who has got a source of such pretty close to Lyle. You can believe me if you want or have a pop whatever I’m not bothered, but anyway here it goes.
I was told yesterday he is not injured. But what I was also told was that it could be rows over his contract not necessarily him wanting out. Maybe the geeza I knows source is telling fibs etc but that’s what I’ve been told.
Right I’m gonna be that annoying poster who doesn’t name his source etc but I had a catch with someone yesterday who has got a source of such pretty close to Lyle. You can believe me if you want or have a pop whatever I’m not bothered, but anyway here it goes.
I was told yesterday he is not injured. But what I was also told was that it could be rows over his contract not necessarily him wanting out. Maybe the geeza I knows source is telling fibs etc but that’s what I’ve been told.
Maybe I’m being naive but I just cannot see Taylor being the type of player that would refuse to play and also LB being the type of manager to completely drop the clubs best player when we’ve won one of the last 16 games. I think he is injured but we aren’t in a rush to get him back while his head may not be in the right place.
Right I’m gonna be that annoying poster who doesn’t name his source etc but I had a catch with someone yesterday who has got a source of such pretty close to Lyle. You can believe me if you want or have a pop whatever I’m not bothered, but anyway here it goes.
I was told yesterday he is not injured. But what I was also told was that it could be rows over his contract not necessarily him wanting out. Maybe the geeza I knows source is telling fibs etc but that’s what I’ve been told.
Lee said Yesterday in the press conference that Lyle would be back in a week or two , so that rumour doesn't ring true .
Maybe I’m being naive but I just cannot see Taylor being the type of player that would refuse to play and also LB being the type of manager to completely drop the clubs best player when we’ve won one of the last 16 games. I think he is injured but we aren’t in a rush to get him back while his head may not be in the right place.
This exactly. We know how open and honest Lee is about everything, and I think it is disrespectful to him and the ethos he has built at Charlton to suggest he is somehow covering up for Lyle not wanting to play.
Right I’m gonna be that annoying poster who doesn’t name his source etc but I had a catch with someone yesterday who has got a source of such pretty close to Lyle. You can believe me if you want or have a pop whatever I’m not bothered, but anyway here it goes.
I was told yesterday he is not injured. But what I was also told was that it could be rows over his contract not necessarily him wanting out. Maybe the geeza I knows source is telling fibs etc but that’s what I’ve been told.
Lee said Yesterday in the press conference that Lyle would be back in a week or two , so that rumour doesn't ring true .
"Injured" until the end of the transfer window. Or back in a week or two for Rangers, Forest or Sheff Wed I suspect.
FWIW, my two pennyworth on all this is Taylor probably only has one large contract left to earn. This is the one that is going to look after him for the rest of his life (provided he doesn't piss it away, or bet it away, or whatever else he could waste his money on).
If someone offers him £20k a week for the next 2.5 years, that's £2.6 million before tax. How many of us would really turn that down?
Against that, I can only assume Charlton have made him a good offer that still won't leave him a poor man. In addition, fingers crossed, it looks like the next few years could be an exciting ride to be on. Sure, he might earn a few more bob going to say Sheffield Wednesday but is that really worth it when there is a possibility he'll end up doing a "Dijksteel" ie far from home and friends, in a struggling team, with things not going particularly great.
Grass isn't always greener elsewhere. And I wouldn't bet on Lyle not finding that out the hard way.
Maybe I’m being naive but I just cannot see Taylor being the type of player that would refuse to play and also LB being the type of manager to completely drop the clubs best player when we’ve won one of the last 16 games. I think he is injured but we aren’t in a rush to get him back while his head may not be in the right place.
I hope you’re all right and what I was told is wrong.
Cheers for posting anyway.
I too have a source and Lyle has spent at least some time in the medical room this week so I do believe he is injured. It’s possibly being exaggerated so that he can sort his head out but I think an injury is genuine.
Southall said even if he doesn't sign he'll be here til the end of the season. Unless someone offers millions. Can't see someone offering millions for a player out of contract in six months.
Southall said even if he doesn't sign he'll be here til the end of the season. Unless someone offers millions. Can't see someone offering millions for a player out of contract in six months.
I’d be interested to know what amount they would sell for. If it was say £1.5 - £2m, it wouldn’t be worth our while - relegation would be more of a disaster than losing the player for nothing.
Southall said even if he doesn't sign he'll be here til the end of the season. Unless someone offers millions. Can't see someone offering millions for a player out of contract in six months.
I’d be interested to know what amount they would sell for. If it was say £1.5 - £2m, it wouldn’t be worth our while - relegation would be more of a disaster than losing the player for nothing.
Agree.
If if there are three clubs interested it will be who wants him more. Taylor is a very good striker and there are not a lot about, and even less that are available.
The two that miss out will have to look elsewhere and what will that cost them £10m?
That is why Taylor will not leave for a couple of million if he leaves in January.
There have been two opinions that have been quite prevalent recently. The first is that January transfer window is a bad time to do business, the second that if we sold Lyle we would not get much money as he can leave for a free in the summer.
They do not 100% contradict each other but they have contradictory elements to them.
All of the clubs mentioned who are might be in for Lyle (Villa, Forest, Wednesday, Rangers) want him now. To either stay up, go up or win the league (Rangers) therefore if he is to be sold this window I think we can demand a premium which I would expect to be at least what Brentford offered in the summer.
Southall said even if he doesn't sign he'll be here til the end of the season. Unless someone offers millions. Can't see someone offering millions for a player out of contract in six months.
But it will be undisclosed (probably), so he'll go and we'll never know.
Personally, I'm not a great believer in coincidences. Taylor "appeared" to be ok in the first half at Swansea. He mysteriously didn't come out for the 2nd half. Now, if I was a betting man and had to guess which player would be subbed at HT with no "apparent" injury it would be him.
It will also be quite a coincidence if he does play for us again, but isn't fit until the window closes.
Ok I don't know, but there's a right stink.
NB His original injury a month or so after he was denied a move came from nowhere. No one saw it happen did they ? Another mystery.
20% Lyle's totally genuine, 80% these injuries have a smaller or larger element of bullshit.
Southall said even if he doesn't sign he'll be here til the end of the season. Unless someone offers millions. Can't see someone offering millions for a player out of contract in six months.
But it will be undisclosed (probably), so he'll go and we'll never know.
Personally, I'm not a great believer in coincidences. Taylor "appeared" to be ok in the first half at Swansea. He mysteriously didn't come out for the 2nd half. Now, if I was a betting man and had to guess which player would be subbed at HT with no "apparent" injury it would be him.
It will also be quite a coincidence if he does play for us again, but isn't fit until the window closes.
Ok I don't know, but there's a right stink.
NB His original injury a month or so after he was denied a move came from nowhere. No one saw it happen did they ? Another mystery.
20% Lyle's totally genuine, 80% these injuries have a smaller or larger element of bullshit.
I think we've done the September "was he or wasnt he injured" 'to death.......but I agree the "injury" at Swansea seems rather strange. He didnt contribute much during the first, apart from one spat with one of their players that was given as a foul against Lyle but to me looked at least 50/50. No sight of him pulling up or getting injured.....just he didnt come out for the 2nd half.
We will never know, but I am not expecting to see him play for us again & for whomever he signs for I'm expecting him to be in the starting line up from day one & play all 90 mins with no niggles.
There have been two opinions that have been quite prevalent recently. The first is that January transfer window is a bad time to do business, the second that if we sold Lyle we would not get much money as he can leave for a free in the summer.
They do not 100% contradict each other but they have contradictory elements to them.
All of the clubs mentioned who are might be in for Lyle (Villa, Forest, Wednesday, Rangers) want him now. To either stay up, go up or win the league (Rangers) therefore if he is to be sold this window I think we can demand a premium which I would expect to be at least what Brentford offered in the summer.
That’s the point, and where I believe Southall has positioned himself. To be worth us selling him we have to get that premium. If someone is willing to pay it, then let’s talk. If not, Lyle plays out his contract here. Maybe they get back to the table and he signs a deal in February or March, or maybe we still lose him but we can sign a replacement in the summer when it’ll disrupt our team much less and when we might be able to do better deal that saves us as much as we might have made selling Taylor. If we sell him for 2 m now but have to pay 2 m more to get, say, Toney (just to pick an example) in January then it’s a wash anyway.
Southall said even if he doesn't sign he'll be here til the end of the season. Unless someone offers millions. Can't see someone offering millions for a player out of contract in six months.
But it will be undisclosed (probably), so he'll go and we'll never know.
Personally, I'm not a great believer in coincidences. Taylor "appeared" to be ok in the first half at Swansea. He mysteriously didn't come out for the 2nd half. Now, if I was a betting man and had to guess which player would be subbed at HT with no "apparent" injury it would be him.
It will also be quite a coincidence if he does play for us again, but isn't fit until the window closes.
Ok I don't know, but there's a right stink.
NB His original injury a month or so after he was denied a move came from nowhere. No one saw it happen did they ? Another mystery.
20% Lyle's totally genuine, 80% these injuries have a smaller or larger element of bullshit.
That just sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory. I think everyone is going a bit mad with over analysis and guesswork. This is turning into the takeover thread 2.0
Lyle's agent is like an estate agent, and Lyle is a nice detached 4-bedroom house. The current owner of Lyle House has decided to tell everyone the house is in need of major repairs in order to make sure he can sell the house later... Wait.. no...
Southall said even if he doesn't sign he'll be here til the end of the season. Unless someone offers millions. Can't see someone offering millions for a player out of contract in six months.
not to mention a player who has been injured for pretty much 4 of this seasons 6 months so far.
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FWIW, my two pennyworth on all this is Taylor probably only has one large contract left to earn. This is the one that is going to look after him for the rest of his life (provided he doesn't piss it away, or bet it away, or whatever else he could waste his money on).
If someone offers him £20k a week for the next 2.5 years, that's £2.6 million before tax. How many of us would really turn that down?
Against that, I can only assume Charlton have made him a good offer that still won't leave him a poor man. In addition, fingers crossed, it looks like the next few years could be an exciting ride to be on. Sure, he might earn a few more bob going to say Sheffield Wednesday but is that really worth it when there is a possibility he'll end up doing a "Dijksteel" ie far from home and friends, in a struggling team, with things not going particularly great.
Grass isn't always greener elsewhere. And I wouldn't bet on Lyle not finding that out the hard way.
If if there are three clubs interested it will be who wants him more. Taylor is a very good striker and there are not a lot about, and even less that are available.
The two that miss out will have to look elsewhere and what will that cost them £10m?
That is why Taylor will not leave for a couple of million if he leaves in January.
They do not 100% contradict each other but they have contradictory elements to them.
All of the clubs mentioned who are might be in for Lyle (Villa, Forest, Wednesday, Rangers) want him now. To either stay up, go up or win the league (Rangers) therefore if he is to be sold this window I think we can demand a premium which I would expect to be at least what Brentford offered in the summer.
Personally, I'm not a great believer in coincidences.
Taylor "appeared" to be ok in the first half at Swansea.
He mysteriously didn't come out for the 2nd half.
Now, if I was a betting man and had to guess which player would be subbed at HT with no "apparent" injury it would be him.
It will also be quite a coincidence if he does play for us again, but isn't fit until the window closes.
Ok I don't know, but there's a right stink.
NB His original injury a month or so after he was denied a move came from nowhere.
No one saw it happen did they ?
Another mystery.
20% Lyle's totally genuine, 80% these injuries have a smaller or larger element of bullshit.
We will never know, but I am not expecting to see him play for us again & for whomever he signs for I'm expecting him to be in the starting line up from day one & play all 90 mins with no niggles.
That just sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory. I think everyone is going a bit mad with over analysis and guesswork. This is turning into the takeover thread 2.0