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  • edited April 2022
    Perhaps he could've played more? This is 100% hindsight and disagreeing with my own views earlier in the season. But when you think about his quality from set pieces (which we completely lack when he's not on the pitch), and that he's 9th in the assists table having only played a bit part this season, you have to think how many he'd have if he'd started as many games at Gilbey . 
  • edited April 2022
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
    The reason for this is lack of game time in the 18-21 years.  Due to a multitude of reasons, so "our" fault, some happenstance.

    There is a reason all but the most exceptional players follow very similar career paths. 
    Two counter points I’ll make here…

    1. 100 appearances at 22 - hard to argue that’s a lack of game time? We tried to get him more but no-one wanted him on loan

    2. I don’t believe positioning is easy to teach - knowing where to be is a natural instinct, much like the instincts of a top class finisher. With age and experience you can hone your instincts but if it hardly existed in the first place…
  • Problem is we are stuck with him .. can’t see a host of clubs lining up to sign him …. you can’t play him at home not creative enough the odd corner or free kick he gets right is not enough plus he can’t play in the same mid as Dobson can’t have two mid players who only pass sideways … you need someone at home who on the front foot look at the diff when Aneke replaced him in the number 10 role yesterday 
  • Leuth said:
    Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
    All true. But he's Xabi Alonso compared to the gutless hiding headless chicken waste of space next to him
    More like fernando Alonso, I’d say.
  • paulfox said:
    Leuth said:
    Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
    All true. But he's Xabi Alonso compared to the gutless hiding headless chicken waste of space next to him
    More like fernando Alonso, I’d say.
    You mean he has the potential to be one of the best in the world at what he does? ;)
  • paulfox said:
    Leuth said:
    Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
    All true. But he's Xabi Alonso compared to the gutless hiding headless chicken waste of space next to him
    More like fernando Alonso, I’d say.
    You mean he has the potential to be one of the best in the world at what he does? ;)
    Oh yes of course🙄😜
  • paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    Leuth said:
    Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
    All true. But he's Xabi Alonso compared to the gutless hiding headless chicken waste of space next to him
    More like fernando Alonso, I’d say.
    You mean he has the potential to be one of the best in the world at what he does? ;)
    Oh yes of course🙄😜
    Left yourself wide open for that one :)
  • paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    Leuth said:
    Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
    All true. But he's Xabi Alonso compared to the gutless hiding headless chicken waste of space next to him
    More like fernando Alonso, I’d say.
    You mean he has the potential to be one of the best in the world at what he does? ;)
    Oh yes of course🙄😜
    Left yourself wide open for that one :)
    Lol, yes possibly🤷🏻‍♂️,but being the best in the world at not having much influence on a football match isn’t what I’d want to be remembered for.😬
  • How about Morgan is much closer to Mikel Alonso than Xabi Alonso?...
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  • edited April 2022
    Scoham said:
    How about Morgan is much closer to Mikel Alonso than Xabi Alonso?...
    Ouch!!, even I wouldn’t have been that harsh on him!!.🤣
  • Vincenzo said:
    It's nuts the grief he gets on here. Academy product plays his 100th match for us, gets 2 assists. Hit 2 or 3 other corners that led to chances. 7 assists for the season. Created 39 chances. The most in the squad.

    And he gets his very own thread dedicated to getting rid of him. 
    When he leaves after rejecting an offer from us to extend his contract... "OmG aLbIe Is So DiSlOyAl To ChArLtOn"
  • edited April 2022
    Vincenzo said:
    It's nuts the grief he gets on here. Academy product plays his 100th match for us, gets 2 assists. Hit 2 or 3 other corners that led to chances. 7 assists for the season. Created 39 chances this season. The most in the squad.

    And he gets his very own thread dedicated to getting rid of him. 
    He’s fine as a squad player but he’s not what we need to get promoted.

    The fact that he has the most assists with seven and the next best has four says more about the rest of the team than it does about Albie IMO.

    Especially when you look at three of the seven and realise he is very fortunate to get credit.

    - Inniss vs Wimbledon should’ve been an own goal,
    - CBT vs Cambridge should’ve been an own goal,
    - Dobson vs Rotherham was a simple pass across the edge of the box rather than any kind of creative guile

    Four other assists were decent crosses into the box from set pieces: three corners and one free kick. The scorers on those were Aneke, Stockley x2 and Famewo.
    Were all the other assists perfect crisp passes then that were not 'simple passes'
  • edited April 2022
    They were two good corners into the box yesterday afternoon, as well as a decent corner to the back stick for Famewo against AFC Wimbledon and a free kick from a deeper position against MK Dons right at the beginning of the season. All four set pieces.

    The fact that none were from open play speaks volumes…
  • Think it's fair to say that nobody divides opinion on here more than Albie ! 

    Nice lad and he should be proud of his 100 appearances but for me as I have said previously when he is starting in our midfield I think it demonstrates how poor our choices are. Ok before I get shafted by the Albie pro gang yes he does hit a decent freekick/corner now and again but it isnt regular enough to make up for the rest of it
  • edited April 2022
    They were two good corners into the box yesterday afternoon, as well as a decent corner to the back stick for Famewo against AFC Wimbledon and a free kick from a deeper position against MK Dons right at the beginning of the season. All four set pieces.

    The fact that none were from open play speaks volumes… 
    The assister has to do there part, but the forward has to do theirs too. If Washington put away half the passes the midfield have got to him, we could be seeing a couple of the wingers/centre mids approaching/breaking double figures on assists.
  • Dazzler21 said:
    They were two good corners into the box yesterday afternoon, as well as a decent corner to the back stick for Famewo against AFC Wimbledon and a free kick from a deeper position against MK Dons right at the beginning of the season. All four set pieces.

    The fact that none were from open play speaks volumes… 
    The assister has to do there part, but the forward has to do theirs too. If Washington put away half the passes the midfield have got to him, we could be seeing a couple of the wingers/centre mids approaching/breaking double figures on assists.
    I’d say the centre backs would be in double figure assists, not wingbacks or midfield, the way we’ve been playing long ball most of the time. A lot of our problems have been the lack of good forward thinking midfielders. Albie,gilbey, Lee, in fact whoever you choose haven’t  done well enough to make themselves 1st choice on playing merit. As soon as better arrive they are benchwarmers at best.
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  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
    The reason for this is lack of game time in the 18-21 years.  Due to a multitude of reasons, so "our" fault, some happenstance.

    There is a reason all but the most exceptional players follow very similar career paths. 
    Two counter points I’ll make here…

    1. 100 appearances at 22 - hard to argue that’s a lack of game time? We tried to get him more but no-one wanted him on loan

    2. I don’t believe positioning is easy to teach - knowing where to be is a natural instinct, much like the instincts of a top class finisher. With age and experience you can hone your instincts but if it hardly existed in the first place…
    100 first team games is a lot for a 22 year old but 100 games over 4 years is hardly any for a player's development.  How many other games has he played?

    In the same time Connor Gallagher has played over 200 games, including those for Chelsea's u23s/U18s.  

    Albie pretty much missed his 18-23 youth career due to being on the fringes of the fist team.  Without playing regularly. 


  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Albie's problem has always been that he doesn't know where to be. On paper he has the skillset of a central midfielder but he has absolutely no concept of how to flow with a game. He's creative and a brilliant, instinctive passer. He can set players away before defenders even have time to realise the game's kicked off, but he rarely does it from a dangerous position. He'll work to win the ball back and put tackles in and he clearly wants to succeed. The problem is he doesn't know how. We've tried him at CM in a two and a three and he's not sure where to be. We've tried him at 10 and he was nowhere. We've tried him deeper to dictate tempo and you'd swear he was in the stands sometimes. He just doesn't have an instinct for positioning, and evidently it's proving hard to coach him too. There's a reason playing in central midfield is so tough and a lot of that is because reading a game while you're in the middle of it and then taking control of it is bloody hard. If you look at his recent positioning charts I don't think he's consistently where he needs to be. He's rarely providing the right kind of defensive support in terms of shape, and charging in and winning a tackle here and there is a lot less good than knowing where to be in the first place so that that passing channel is never available. I'm not expecting him to be Xabi Alonso on that but we offer so many avenues to opposition teams through the middle. Albie isn't the only one guilty of this, and our well known issue in the channel between RWB and RCB would be punished a lot less if the midfield actually knew how to shut the door on it, but despite his assists and his work Albie will never consistently look good for 90 mins unless he can fix his knowledge of where to be and I don't think he has the ability to do that. The best he ever looks is as the wide midfielder in a flat midfield 4, because he knows he has to be wide when the opposition have the ball down his side, and narrow when it's on the other side. It's simpler and we've benefited from it in the past, but we can't and shouldn't change our whole way of playing just to accommodate Albie because he's not really good enough to merit it. Maybe the penny will drop one day and he'll become brilliant. I hope so.
    The reason for this is lack of game time in the 18-21 years.  Due to a multitude of reasons, so "our" fault, some happenstance.

    There is a reason all but the most exceptional players follow very similar career paths. 
    Two counter points I’ll make here…

    1. 100 appearances at 22 - hard to argue that’s a lack of game time? We tried to get him more but no-one wanted him on loan

    2. I don’t believe positioning is easy to teach - knowing where to be is a natural instinct, much like the instincts of a top class finisher. With age and experience you can hone your instincts but if it hardly existed in the first place…
    100 first team games is a lot for a 22 year old but 100 games over 4 years is hardly any for a player's development.  How many other games has he played?

    In the same time Connor Gallagher has played over 200 games, including those for Chelsea's u23s/U18s.  

    Albie pretty much missed his 18-23 youth career due to being on the fringes of the fist team.  Without playing regularly. 


    It's a decent point, but then it might also end up giving him a bit more longevity vs a player who has played a lot of football at a young age.
  • edited April 2022
    I think Morgan is a frustrating player as you can see something is there but he gets chance after chance and doesn't take them. Last season I bought a Papa Johns game by accident and decided to watch it, it was against a Premier League Youth side. In that game I saw Albie's game. It was a bloody good one and he waltzed through the match majestically. I think he scored as well. But against better opponents, or at least opponents better at stopping he just comes up short.

    Yes his delivery was excellent for the two goals, but even that is a bit hit and miss. There is definitely a player in there but can we extract it? Seeing as we have him for another season I suspect, it is something our coaches should continue to work on, although we have to assume they won't succeed in terms of building a promotion squad and if they do it is a bonus.

    Maybe it is the team to a certain extent. I want to see us winning more second balls than we do and we might need to become a bit fitter and more athletic.  Maybe in that sort of side, Morgan would find it easier.
  • edited April 2022
    It was unbelievable how many times the ball came to him and he absolutely leathered it to the other end of the pitch without even attempting to play it out from midfield.

    He along with gilbey are part of the problem of us playing dire football but yet we seem to have fans telling us how two set piece assists, means he is now the second coming of Xavi 

  • It’s was unbelievable how many times the ball came to him and he absolutely leathered it to the other end of the pitch without even attempting to play it out from midfield.

    He along with gilbey are part of the problem of us playing dire football but yet we seem to have fans telling us how two set piece assists, means he is now the second coming of Xavi 

    Come on, you can't you start making things up! 
  • Opting for Gilbey and an out of form Elliot Lee on wasteful set pieces cost us quite a few points I would say. 

    To me that's a managerial decision.
  • . Last season I bought a Papa Johns game by accident 
    Sorry but, LOL
  • edited April 2022
    It’s was unbelievable how many times the ball came to him and he absolutely leathered it to the other end of the pitch without even attempting to play it out from midfield.

    He along with gilbey are part of the problem of us playing dire football but yet we seem to have fans telling us how two set piece assists, means he is now the second coming of Xavi 

    Come on, you can't you start making things up! 
    He isn't. First pass of the match from Albie went out for a goal kick because he leathered it to no one. He tries far too many Hollywood passes when a simple ball will do. He did this numerous times on Tuesday and again on Saturday. He hit 2 good balls for assists, but he also struggled to beat the first man on others and put a dangerous freekick straight out for a GK.

    We have such a reactionary fanbase. He wouldn't get anywhere near any other midfield aiming for the top 2, so he shouldn't be anywhere near ours.
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