Do either CARD or CAST intend to respond to this ludicrous piece of verbiage? Because it seems to me that the following sentence really calls for a statement by either or both.
Therefore the club has written to the EFL and suggested as part of the process that they examine the communication by the club, CARD, the Charlton Athletic Supporters Trust and on various social media platforms.
This clearly means that the club has asked the EFL to look at *specific* communications - unless they are suggesting the EFL looks at *all* communications by CAFC, CARD, CAST and anywhere on all social media platforms.
It's not for the club to determine which bits of content the EFL looks at. So, if the club is cherry-picking some comments, shouldn't CARD and CAST give the EFL some help in finding some other communications that the club may have "forgotten" to tell the EFL about? After all, there's a pretty big pool of content from which to choose.
Do either CARD or CAST intend to respond to this ludicrous piece of verbiage? Because it seems to me that the following sentence really calls for a statement by either or both.
Therefore the club has written to the EFL and suggested as part of the process that they examine the communication by the club, CARD, the Charlton Athletic Supporters Trust and on various social media platforms.
This clearly means that the club has asked the EFL to look at *specific* communications - unless they are suggesting the EFL looks at *all* communications by CAFC, CARD, CAST and anywhere on all social media platforms.
It's not for the club to determine which bits of content the EFL looks at. So, if the club is cherry-picking some comments, shouldn't CARD and CAST give the EFL some help in finding some other communications that the club may have "forgotten" to tell the EFL about? After all, there's a pretty big pool of content from which to choose.
The only position the club can take, is to portray the problem as one of "communications" - rather than proven incompetence, arrogance, ignorance, deceit and disrespect to fans.
The fault clearly lies with the fans who just refuse to believe what the club says and prefer to believe what they see and hear with their own eyes and ears and spread the word through social media and targeted protests.
By analysing the communications it will be obvious that anything which contradicts the club's views must be a pack of lies dreamed up by a conspiracy of thousands of bitter ex-employees.
Are the cost efficiencies helping the sale of the club? - NO - COSTS AFFECT NO ONE APART FROM CURRENT OWNER Are the protests helping the sale of the club? - NO - PROTESTS AFFECT NO ONE APART FROM CURRENT OWNER
Did Bow write you're last paragraph:-)
Did you mean this one from another thread: "Must be like being caught up in a journey with a drunk at the wheel and you are trying to save the car from being driven over a cliff."
Over four and a half years of experimental failure, neglect, non-existent communication and unprecedented apathy towards the club and Roland’s the one writing to the EFL telling them what the meeting should be about.
Over four and a half years of experimental failure, neglect, non-existent communication and unprecedented apathy towards the club and Roland’s the one writing to the EFL telling them what the meeting should be about.
It certainly isn't well written. Fair enough if it is a post on here, but an official club statement!!!! Is there anybody with any competence working in the comms department?
Just look at the opening line - 'The EFL has said they want to meet with the club to get a full understanding of the current situation that surrounds the club'. It should either be, 'The EFL has said they want to meet to get....' or .......'of the current situation that surrounds it'. Club should only be used once!
It certainly isn't well written. Fair enough if it is a post on here, but an official club statement!!!! Is there anybody working in the comms department?
This hasn't come from the comms team, they may well have posted it up to the OS just like the ill fated {...} statement, but lets not blame them, it's clearly one of De Turck or Duchatelet, not the Ollies of this world who are not the bad guys here and do their best under the constraints they work in.
“We have asked that recent events investigated include the employee bonus issue, cost efficiencies relating to cleaning and the supply of drinking water at the training ground.”
I find this sentence quite amusing, the EFL have asked for a meeting to discuss the piss poor running of our club and the clubs reply is they want to talk about drinking water, cutting the cleaners hours and not paying low paid staff their bonuses.
The ELF should remind the club who is the dog and who is the tail and who requested the meeting.
It certainly isn't well written. Fair enough if it is a post on here, but an official club statement!!!! Is there anybody with any competence working in the comms department?
Just look at the opening line - 'The EFL has said they want to meet with the club to get a full understanding of the current situation that surrounds the club'. It should either be, 'The EFL has said they want to meet to get....' or .......'of the current situation that surrounds it'. Club should only be used once!
They haven't Tweeted the statement - I wonder why?
How can the question re the protest affecting the sale of the club be answered, only those who might have been considering buying the club can answer that....the club needs to ask the question of those prospective purchasers.....not The EFL.....how the fuck do they know?
To state the obvious - it's unsigned. The Owner has been sent a summons to attend the EFL in person, which he has simply shrugged off, and then responded with this anonymous reply and the offer of a written answer at some unspecified date in the future.
This is straight out of the playbook of the Tangerine Tosser in Washington - contemptuous of the recipient and contemptible in its breathtaking arrogance. Well, both these fine gentlemen have got elections coming up very soon - things are going to get very messy ....
How can the question re the protest affecting the sale of the club be answered, only those who might have been considering buying the club can answer that....the club needs to ask the question of those prospective purchasers.....not The EFL.....how the fuck do they know?
Because they live in a different world to everyone else.
Clearly the mad man thinks that the protests (as @AFKABartram points out have been broadly non existent for some while) and the supporter response to things like the water bottles, bonuses and the like are what’s stopping someone throwing 35m or whatever his way to buy the club.
He needs to get an Oxford English Dictionary and look up proximate cause: the negligence is all Duchatelet’s, no one else’s, the sooner he realises that and engages sensibly with prospective buyers he can end this nightmare.
CARD WELCOMES OWNER’S REQUEST FOR WIDER EFL LOOK AT CHARLTON
The Coalition Against Roland Duchâtelet (CARD) welcomes the proposal in a statement issued by the owner of Charlton Athletic today that the EFL should carry out a more thorough investigation into the recent running and proposed sale of the club.
The Charlton Athletic Supporters’ Trust, which is part of CARD, is already due to meet the EFL on October 17th. However, all elements of the coalition are keen to assist the EFL in any investigation relating to its wider activities and the club’s current operations.
In respect of communications, we believe the EFL would need to interview a number of national, London and local journalists in order to gain an understanding of recent stories about the club, a number of which have necessarily been sourced from – and indeed been attributed to – Duchâtelet’s own current employees, rather than supporters’ groups.
We invite the EFL to consider the qualifications and experience of people Duchâtelet has employed in senior positions at the club since 2014, as well as the current lack of executive management at The Valley, and the contribution that has made to Charlton’s predicament, alongside the activities of supporters over that period.
In particular we would like the EFL to carry out an independent audit of the staff bonus issue, but only on the basis that the owner agrees to be bound by the outcome.
We further invite the EFL to consider and disclose whether the club’s own repeated statements to staff and supporters in respect of the EFL’s position as the obstacle to the proposed takeover are a truthful and complete explanation of the hold-up or whether they are materially misleading.
The club wants the EFL to consider whether “cost efficiencies” reported by the media or the protests - of which there has been one at a match in 2018 - are “helping the sale of the club”. Any meaningful examination of these points would surely also need to consider whether Duchâtelet’s asking price is actually the major reason the club has not been sold.
CARD believes the EFL could perform a useful service to all concerned by investigating all these matters thoroughly and pledges its full cooperation. We have nothing to hide.
However, this must be on the basis that any such examination is independent, balanced and that the outcome will be published – even if it directly undermines this latest bizarre attempt by the owner to deflect responsibility from his own serially incompetent administration of the club.
How many times have "the club" decided to say "we need to improve our communication" but it still doesn't happen and it won't happen.....and it's also irrelevant. If they provide us with complete direct honesty on all things Charlton Athletic, then Charlton will become an absolute public laughing stock and all non Charlton supporters will also be quite stunned.
That's the defence....the self aware self criticism of oh everything's actually going really really well, erm no it's not it's absolute horse manure apart from the fact that "we need to improve our communication" ...after saying it for the last 3 years.
Fantastic response @CARD . Now that's what call communication. It's like the regime scored an own goal and Card responded with a hat trick. Come back from that!
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Dear oh dear oh dear. Roland “Shakespeare” Duchatelet strikes again. Totally, irredeemably bonkers.
Just one question: “Has your ridiculously inflated price tag helped the sale of the club?”
That’s all M Duchatelet. Look no further for the source of your failure to find a buyer.
Duchatalet's usual first question when he meets Charlton fans is "are you members of CARD"?
Therefore the club has written to the EFL and suggested as part of the process that they examine the communication by the club, CARD, the Charlton Athletic Supporters Trust and on various social media platforms.
This clearly means that the club has asked the EFL to look at *specific* communications - unless they are suggesting the EFL looks at *all* communications by CAFC, CARD, CAST and anywhere on all social media platforms.
It's not for the club to determine which bits of content the EFL looks at. So, if the club is cherry-picking some comments, shouldn't CARD and CAST give the EFL some help in finding some other communications that the club may have "forgotten" to tell the EFL about? After all, there's a pretty big pool of content from which to choose.
Spot on
"Must be like being caught up in a journey with a drunk at the wheel and you are trying to save the car from being driven over a cliff."
He might have helped.
The man’s a genius.
Just look at the opening line - 'The EFL has said they want to meet with the club to get a full understanding of the current situation that surrounds the club'. It should either be, 'The EFL has said they want to meet to get....' or .......'of the current situation that surrounds it'. Club should only be used once!
Why, oh why, oh why, of all the clubs in Blighty did you have to chose mine you twisted and bitter nut job; if only I had a voodoo doll of you
Be my guest and keep on pouring your money down the drain whilst failing miserably to prove everyone else is wrong bar you
I find this sentence quite amusing, the EFL have asked for a meeting to discuss the piss poor running of our club and the clubs reply is they want to talk about drinking water, cutting the cleaners hours and not paying low paid staff their bonuses.
The ELF should remind the club who is the dog and who is the tail and who requested the meeting.
“Examine the communication on various social media platforms”
What does that even mean??
Surely they’ve not resorted back to crudely cutting and pasting supporters posts and forwarding them on?
Let’s hope they are as successful as last time.
Bonkers
As for ‘are the protests helping the sale of the club’. Wow.
For the record, there has been one Matchday protest in approximately the last 75 games the club has played. And even that was pretty muted.
They are obviously hitting a raw nerve
To state the obvious - it's unsigned. The Owner has been sent a summons to attend the EFL in person, which he has simply shrugged off, and then responded with this anonymous reply and the offer of a written answer at some unspecified date in the future.
This is straight out of the playbook of the Tangerine Tosser in Washington - contemptuous of the recipient and contemptible in its breathtaking arrogance. Well, both these fine gentlemen have got elections coming up very soon - things are going to get very messy ....
Hmm....
Would this be a good moment to ask about the outstanding minutes of the Fans Forum held last month?
Clearly the mad man thinks that the protests (as @AFKABartram points out have been broadly non existent for some while) and the supporter response to things like the water bottles, bonuses and the like are what’s stopping someone throwing 35m or whatever his way to buy the club.
He needs to get an Oxford English Dictionary and look up proximate cause: the negligence is all Duchatelet’s, no one else’s, the sooner he realises that and engages sensibly with prospective buyers he can end this nightmare.
The Coalition Against Roland Duchâtelet (CARD) welcomes the proposal in a statement issued by the owner of Charlton Athletic today that the EFL should carry out a more thorough investigation into the recent running and proposed sale of the club.
The Charlton Athletic Supporters’ Trust, which is part of CARD, is already due to meet the EFL on October 17th. However, all elements of the coalition are keen to assist the EFL in any investigation relating to its wider activities and the club’s current operations.
In respect of communications, we believe the EFL would need to interview a number of national, London and local journalists in order to gain an understanding of recent stories about the club, a number of which have necessarily been sourced from – and indeed been attributed to – Duchâtelet’s own current employees, rather than supporters’ groups.
We invite the EFL to consider the qualifications and experience of people Duchâtelet has employed in senior positions at the club since 2014, as well as the current lack of executive management at The Valley, and the contribution that has made to Charlton’s predicament, alongside the activities of supporters over that period.
In particular we would like the EFL to carry out an independent audit of the staff bonus issue, but only on the basis that the owner agrees to be bound by the outcome.
We further invite the EFL to consider and disclose whether the club’s own repeated statements to staff and supporters in respect of the EFL’s position as the obstacle to the proposed takeover are a truthful and complete explanation of the hold-up or whether they are materially misleading.
The club wants the EFL to consider whether “cost efficiencies” reported by the media or the protests - of which there has been one at a match in 2018 - are “helping the sale of the club”. Any meaningful examination of these points would surely also need to consider whether Duchâtelet’s asking price is actually the major reason the club has not been sold.
CARD believes the EFL could perform a useful service to all concerned by investigating all these matters thoroughly and pledges its full cooperation. We have nothing to hide.
However, this must be on the basis that any such examination is independent, balanced and that the outcome will be published – even if it directly undermines this latest bizarre attempt by the owner to deflect responsibility from his own serially incompetent administration of the club.
If they provide us with complete direct honesty on all things Charlton Athletic, then Charlton will become an absolute public laughing stock and all non Charlton supporters will also be quite stunned.
That's the defence....the self aware self criticism of oh everything's actually going really really well, erm no it's not it's absolute horse manure apart from the fact that "we need to improve our communication" ...after saying it for the last 3 years.
One bizarre and childlike.
CARD's a lot more coherent. Personally don't like the last line though - a little too cheap for what is an otherwise mature and considered response.
It would be interesting to anticipate the results and recommendations of the EFL investigation, perhaps some form of BINGO:
"after a thorough review involving all stakeholders"
"safeguarding the interests of the fan"
"contrasting evidence showing merits of conduct for both sides"
"involving matters beyond the jurisdiction of the EFL"
"matters of employment and company commercial conduct outside of the EFL's membership scope"
"will continue to liaise with both parties to ensure the integrity of CAFC and the EFL is safeguarded"
"plucky Charlton"