Hands up. Who's got a cleaner?

Rob7Lee

You do realise those who are paying cash in hand are helping, in some cases, to defraud the exchequer of much needed funds.....

You’re all to blame for the crisis in the NHS, Police etc

RedArmySE7

We have a cleaner who comes in once a week on a Friday when I work from home. We pay through bank transfer to the company she works for so there’s no cash in hand skull duggery!

The best value for money thing I spend after payday I think.

Pelling1993

Carter said:

I should probably quantify, this tale regarding the cleaner happened ages before I met my wife

Is your wife Romanian by any chance?

redman

Big_Bad_World said:

Yes, I have a cleaner.

I think more important a question would be 'who pays their cleaner a decent living wage?' If you don't, but shout about unfairness from the rooftops, then maybe you need to ask yourself why not.

Also who pays them in cash, then winge about legal tax avoidance

stop_shouting

MrOneLung said:

Be interesting to know how many have a contract and pay their cleaners cash in hand.

er, I’m guessing none.

carly burn

redman said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Yes, I have a cleaner.

I think more important a question would be 'who pays their cleaner a decent living wage?' If you don't, but shout about unfairness from the rooftops, then maybe you need to ask yourself why not.

Also who pays them in cash, then winge about legal tax avoidance

Opened up a real can of worms here.

Doesn't you private accounts department deal with all that?

_MrDick

For all of those who employ a cleaner, I hope you’ve sorted out the final salary pension for them.

JWADDICK

_MrDick said:

For all of those who employ a cleaner, I hope you’ve sorted out the final salary pension for them.

I doubt anybody on here employs a cleaner, they will be self employed and no doubt be responsible for their own taxes and pension arrangements.

Carter

I'm trying to work out who is being serious and who is taking the piss in regard to cleaners avoiding tax

That's not where the black hole is boys and girls!

seth plum

it looks like bloke cleaners are very much in the minority.

Big_Bad_World

seth plum said:

it looks like bloke cleaners are very much in the minority.

Agreed. The question then should be 'what is the cleaning industry doing about driving towards a societal representation of its workforce'?

bobmunro

Big_Bad_World said:

seth plum said:

it looks like bloke cleaners are very much in the minority.

Agreed. The question then should be 'what is the cleaning industry doing about driving towards a societal representation of its workforce'?

They should do nothing because cleaning would become more expensive ;-)

Rob7Lee

Carter said:

I'm trying to work out who is being serious and who is taking the piss in regard to cleaners avoiding tax

That's not where the black hole is boys and girls!

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand. Last time I saw a report on it, it was estimated at circa 8bn. That was around 7 years ago, doubt it's decreased.

Baldybonce

Didn't know whether to put this the looking for work thread

hoof_it_up_to_benty

What sort of pleb would only have a single cleaner?

Carter

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

I'm trying to work out who is being serious and who is taking the piss in regard to cleaners avoiding tax

That's not where the black hole is boys and girls!

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand. Last time I saw a report on it, it was estimated at circa 8bn. That was around 7 years ago, doubt it's decreased.

Come off it

That might be the total black hole for everything including every single person in the 2% wealthiest hiding declarable money. It sure as shit isn't women doing cleaning work at 10 pound an hour.

Wheresmeticket

seth plum said:

it looks like bloke cleaners are very much in the minority.

That's a rule for life, SP.

A-R-T-H-U-R

Carter said:

When I had a housemate he drove me up the wall with his questionable cleanliness standards. We started off on a week on week off basis for general cleaning which had to include a proper clean of the bathroom and kitchen. He was just incapable of doing this and half the time the bathroom looked worse than before he'd attempted to clean it. Shit down the pan was also a bone of contention for both of us.

So after a few months of him driving me mad I suggested if he didn't want to do it or was unwilling to up his game we should get a cleaner. So we did, she cost 60 quid a week and would come round every weekday and the place was immaculate.

Problem was she was a smoking hot Romanian girl and my penis ended up inside her on a few occasions which made her feel awkward and also made me realise the novelty of shagging a fit Romanian bird wore off when she was round my house every day regardless and choosing penis over the cleaning on many occasions yet still holding her hand out for her dough, which then becomes a whole other type of employment and one that I thought was best veered away from. So sadly that stopped and I eventually beat some decent housekeeping standards into my housemate

I do 90% of the cleaning indoors now, my wife leaves too much stuff just lying around so I'm always putting things away and staying on top of stuff, her way is more 'let it build up through the week and waste your weekend doing housework that could have been done during the working week little and often'

I don't find cleaning therapeutic but if it has to be done it has to be done to very high exacting standards which I'm not sure I could afford

I had a cleaner like that.
Took her 4 hours just do do the floors.
She was a Slovak.

Wheresmeticket

Baldybonce said:

Didn't know whether to put this the looking for work thread

Health and safety questions:
A: does this preclude the wearing of marigolds, and
B: what is the effect of toilet duck on one's old chap?

Big_Bad_World

In 2009 it was estimated that cash in hand payments, across the piste, accounted for 'up to £8bn' in lost revenue to the treasury.

That £8bn figure makes up nearly 25% of the estimated £35bn of potential lost revenue due to tax avoidance and other measures.

Baldybonce

Wheresmeticket? said:

Baldybonce said:

Didn't know whether to put this the looking for work thread

Health and safety questions:
A: does this preclude the wearing of marigolds, and
B: what is the effect of toilet duck on one's old chap?

Wear the marigold on your old chap?
Just a thought.

eaststandmike

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

I'm trying to work out who is being serious and who is taking the piss in regard to cleaners avoiding tax

That's not where the black hole is boys and girls!

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand. Last time I saw a report on it, it was estimated at circa 8bn. That was around 7 years ago, doubt it's decreased.

Depends how you look at it. My mum is 94 and to help us out we have a cleaner go in every Wednesday to clean the entire house and go and get some shopping for her. We know the owner of the cleaning company and she runs a stable of other cleaners anyone of whom can go into my Mum's.

All payments are cash and the owner has these girls working 6 days a week. There is a fair few bob flowing into the owners hands and I am sure there are thousands of examples like this up and down the country.

Mum also has gardeners and window cleaners on a regular basis..............all cash payments.

Carter

eaststandmike said:

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

I'm trying to work out who is being serious and who is taking the piss in regard to cleaners avoiding tax

That's not where the black hole is boys and girls!

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand. Last time I saw a report on it, it was estimated at circa 8bn. That was around 7 years ago, doubt it's decreased.

Depends how you look at it. My mum is 94 and to help us out we have a cleaner go in every Wednesday to clean the entire house and go and get some shopping for her. We know the owner of the cleaning company and she runs a stable of other cleaners anyone of whom can go into my Mum's.

All payments are cash and the owner has these girls working 6 days a week. There is a fair few bob flowing into the owners hands and I am sure there are thousands of examples like this up and down the country.

Mum also has gardeners and window cleaners on a regular basis..............all cash payments.

There's cash and there is undeclared cash

Lets say I was to own a snack wagon that turned over a lot of business, I'd probably not be inclined to declare every penny of it and then deal with the headache of trying to spend unwashed cash.

However I haven't got the inclination to get up at sparrows fart, spend all day in a burger van or a cash and carry then worry about some gimlet from the inland revenue catching up with me. I see jobs like that, and cleaning as almost fair game to fiddle. No sick pay, no pension unless you sort it yourself and the on going risk of losing your plot (Google the shenanigans that happened in a layby on the A249 between Detling showground and the Danaway roundabout in the early 00's) because of things out of your control

Rob7Lee

Carter said:

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

I'm trying to work out who is being serious and who is taking the piss in regard to cleaners avoiding tax

That's not where the black hole is boys and girls!

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand. Last time I saw a report on it, it was estimated at circa 8bn. That was around 7 years ago, doubt it's decreased.

Come off it

That might be the total black hole for everything including every single person in the 2% wealthiest hiding declarable money. It sure as shit isn't women doing cleaning work at 10 pound an hour.

Where did I say it related to cleaners only?

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand.

as @Big_Bag_World states it's around 25% of lost revenue the exchequer believes they lose due to tax avoidance and other measures. It related purely to cash in hand/undeclared income.

If you think cash in hand payments are small across the country I think you are massively mistaken. The estimate of 8bn (9 years ago) and assume an average 30% tax rate, that's £32bn of cash payments.

I always find the subject quite sad in some respects, as to a lot of people they don't seem to find that there is much wrong with it, yet chuck in someone who earns 'a lot' of money and didn't declare it all and there'd be uproar.

8bn pays for an awful lot of police, nurses, hospitals, teachers, fireman and anyone else I missed,

But not a problem really is it, it's not doing anyone any harm after all?

Edit; would you be Ok if I said my boss had agreed to pay my bonus next year in cash in a brown envelope so I could avoid paying any tax on it?

Oh_Yoni_Boy

Carter said:

eaststandmike said:

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

I'm trying to work out who is being serious and who is taking the piss in regard to cleaners avoiding tax

That's not where the black hole is boys and girls!

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand. Last time I saw a report on it, it was estimated at circa 8bn. That was around 7 years ago, doubt it's decreased.

Depends how you look at it. My mum is 94 and to help us out we have a cleaner go in every Wednesday to clean the entire house and go and get some shopping for her. We know the owner of the cleaning company and she runs a stable of other cleaners anyone of whom can go into my Mum's.

All payments are cash and the owner has these girls working 6 days a week. There is a fair few bob flowing into the owners hands and I am sure there are thousands of examples like this up and down the country.

Mum also has gardeners and window cleaners on a regular basis..............all cash payments.

There's cash and there is undeclared cash

Lets say I was to own a snack wagon that turned over a lot of business, I'd probably not be inclined to declare every penny of it and then deal with the headache of trying to spend unwashed cash.

However I haven't got the inclination to get up at sparrows fart, spend all day in a burger van or a cash and carry then worry about some gimlet from the inland revenue catching up with me. I see jobs like that, and cleaning as almost fair game to fiddle. No sick pay, no pension unless you sort it yourself and the on going risk of losing your plot (Google the shenanigans that happened in a layby on the A249 between Detling showground and the Danaway roundabout in the early 00's) because of things out of your control

"Lol" just for the use of 'gimlet', but I agree.

T_C_E

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

I'm trying to work out who is being serious and who is taking the piss in regard to cleaners avoiding tax

That's not where the black hole is boys and girls!

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand. Last time I saw a report on it, it was estimated at circa 8bn. That was around 7 years ago, doubt it's decreased.

Come off it

That might be the total black hole for everything including every single person in the 2% wealthiest hiding declarable money. It sure as shit isn't women doing cleaning work at 10 pound an hour.

Where did I say it related to cleaners only?

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand.

as @Big_Bag_World states it's around 25% of lost revenue the exchequer believes they lose due to tax avoidance and other measures. It related purely to cash in hand/undeclared income.

If you think cash in hand payments are small across the country I think you are massively mistaken. The estimate of 8bn (9 years ago) and assume an average 30% tax rate, that's £32bn of cash payments.

I always find the subject quite sad in some respects, as to a lot of people they don't seem to find that there is much wrong with it, yet chuck in someone who earns 'a lot' of money and didn't declare it all and there'd be uproar.

8bn pays for an awful lot of police, nurses, hospitals, teachers, fireman and anyone else I missed,

But not a problem really is it, it's not doing anyone any harm after all?

Edit; would you be Ok if I said my boss had agreed to pay my bonus next year in cash in a brown envelope so I could avoid paying any tax on it?

Is the bonus discretional?

Carter

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

I'm trying to work out who is being serious and who is taking the piss in regard to cleaners avoiding tax

That's not where the black hole is boys and girls!

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand. Last time I saw a report on it, it was estimated at circa 8bn. That was around 7 years ago, doubt it's decreased.

Come off it

That might be the total black hole for everything including every single person in the 2% wealthiest hiding declarable money. It sure as shit isn't women doing cleaning work at 10 pound an hour.

Where did I say it related to cleaners only?

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand.

as @Big_Bag_World states it's around 25% of lost revenue the exchequer believes they lose due to tax avoidance and other measures. It related purely to cash in hand/undeclared income.

If you think cash in hand payments are small across the country I think you are massively mistaken. The estimate of 8bn (9 years ago) and assume an average 30% tax rate, that's £32bn of cash payments.

I always find the subject quite sad in some respects, as to a lot of people they don't seem to find that there is much wrong with it, yet chuck in someone who earns 'a lot' of money and didn't declare it all and there'd be uproar.

8bn pays for an awful lot of police, nurses, hospitals, teachers, fireman and anyone else I missed,

But not a problem really is it, it's not doing anyone any harm after all?

Edit; would you be Ok if I said my boss had agreed to pay my bonus next year in cash in a brown envelope so I could avoid paying any tax on it?

No you didn't, but in fairness to me we are in a discussion about whether people have cleaners or not so it's relevant to that

Look, I'm ok with anyone getting away with what they get away with, it's their business and I'm no grass. I think enormous conglomerates like the usual suspects of Amazon, Apple, Google et al have to be sorted as high profile cases else what example does that send?

I get what you are saying in the general scheme of things but we are absolutely talking about cleaners in this case

Rob7Lee

Carter said:

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

I'm trying to work out who is being serious and who is taking the piss in regard to cleaners avoiding tax

That's not where the black hole is boys and girls!

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand. Last time I saw a report on it, it was estimated at circa 8bn. That was around 7 years ago, doubt it's decreased.

Come off it

That might be the total black hole for everything including every single person in the 2% wealthiest hiding declarable money. It sure as shit isn't women doing cleaning work at 10 pound an hour.

Where did I say it related to cleaners only?

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand.

as @Big_Bag_World states it's around 25% of lost revenue the exchequer believes they lose due to tax avoidance and other measures. It related purely to cash in hand/undeclared income.

If you think cash in hand payments are small across the country I think you are massively mistaken. The estimate of 8bn (9 years ago) and assume an average 30% tax rate, that's £32bn of cash payments.

I always find the subject quite sad in some respects, as to a lot of people they don't seem to find that there is much wrong with it, yet chuck in someone who earns 'a lot' of money and didn't declare it all and there'd be uproar.

8bn pays for an awful lot of police, nurses, hospitals, teachers, fireman and anyone else I missed,

But not a problem really is it, it's not doing anyone any harm after all?

Edit; would you be Ok if I said my boss had agreed to pay my bonus next year in cash in a brown envelope so I could avoid paying any tax on it?

No you didn't, but in fairness to me we are in a discussion about whether people have cleaners or not so it's relevant to that

Look, I'm ok with anyone getting away with what they get away with, it's their business and I'm no grass. I think enormous conglomerates like the usual suspects of Amazon, Apple, Google et al have to be sorted as high profile cases else what example does that send?

I get what you are saying in the general scheme of things but we are absolutely talking about cleaners in this case

I can't believe you put those two things!

PS it's no more wrong or right for Gladys the cleaner to defraud the exchequer anymore than it is Google.

Carter

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

Rob7Lee said:

Carter said:

I'm trying to work out who is being serious and who is taking the piss in regard to cleaners avoiding tax

That's not where the black hole is boys and girls!

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand. Last time I saw a report on it, it was estimated at circa 8bn. That was around 7 years ago, doubt it's decreased.

Come off it

That might be the total black hole for everything including every single person in the 2% wealthiest hiding declarable money. It sure as shit isn't women doing cleaning work at 10 pound an hour.

Where did I say it related to cleaners only?

I think you'd be surprised how much of the 'black hole' would get filled by non disclosed earnings/cash in hand.

as @Big_Bag_World states it's around 25% of lost revenue the exchequer believes they lose due to tax avoidance and other measures. It related purely to cash in hand/undeclared income.

If you think cash in hand payments are small across the country I think you are massively mistaken. The estimate of 8bn (9 years ago) and assume an average 30% tax rate, that's £32bn of cash payments.

I always find the subject quite sad in some respects, as to a lot of people they don't seem to find that there is much wrong with it, yet chuck in someone who earns 'a lot' of money and didn't declare it all and there'd be uproar.

8bn pays for an awful lot of police, nurses, hospitals, teachers, fireman and anyone else I missed,

But not a problem really is it, it's not doing anyone any harm after all?

Edit; would you be Ok if I said my boss had agreed to pay my bonus next year in cash in a brown envelope so I could avoid paying any tax on it?

No you didn't, but in fairness to me we are in a discussion about whether people have cleaners or not so it's relevant to that

Look, I'm ok with anyone getting away with what they get away with, it's their business and I'm no grass. I think enormous conglomerates like the usual suspects of Amazon, Apple, Google et al have to be sorted as high profile cases else what example does that send?

I get what you are saying in the general scheme of things but we are absolutely talking about cleaners in this case

I can't believe you put those two things!

PS it's no more wrong or right for Gladys the cleaner to defraud the exchequer anymore than it is Google.

We will have to agree to disagree then

We mostly agree about cars so I'll take a disagreement about global conglomerates paying less tax than a ginger bloke with a guitar does each year and dear old Gladys squirreling away some folding

MartinCAFC

I've had cleaners in a couple of times where I used to live to do a one off blitz but that was because I had people coming in to view the flat as I was selling. Well worth the money though IMO.