A Fracking Mess!
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I need to really find out more about this subject. Something in my gut tells me it’s going to go wrong though. I doubt any of those making money from this live anywhere near a fracking site and wouldn’t if you doubled their profit.1
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I must admit I was all for fracking to begin with but, having read some of the concerns in the US about existing fracking initiatives, I am less sure.
However, it's hard to ignore the fact that fracking in the US makes up 43% of the oil production and 67% of the natural gas production. That is a massive contribution.0 -
Do you know what percentage we could hope or expect to get in the UK ?stonemuse said:I must admit I was all for fracking to begin with but, having read some of the concerns in the US about existing fracking initiatives, I am less sure.
However, it's hard to ignore the fact that fracking in the US makes up 43% of the oil production and 67% of the natural gas production. That is a massive contribution.
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You wouldn't want to live close to a fracking site. Not sure how this site is going to work?ShootersHillGuru said:I need to really find out more about this subject. Something in my gut tells me it’s going to go wrong though. I doubt any of those making money from this live anywhere near a fracking site and wouldn’t if you doubled their profit.
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This may help.ShootersHillGuru said:
Do you know what percentage we could hope or expect to get in the UK ?stonemuse said:I must admit I was all for fracking to begin with but, having read some of the concerns in the US about existing fracking initiatives, I am less sure.
However, it's hard to ignore the fact that fracking in the US makes up 43% of the oil production and 67% of the natural gas production. That is a massive contribution.
https://gov.uk/government/publications/about-shale-gas-and-hydraulic-fracturing-fracking/developing-shale-oil-and-gas-in-the-uk0 -
"The UK could benefit from this technological innovation too; a British Geological Survey estimate suggests there are around 40tn cubic metres of shale gas in northern England alone. If only 10% of the UK's shale reserves were tapped, the nation could be powered for the next half century."ShootersHillGuru said:
Do you know what percentage we could hope or expect to get in the UK ?stonemuse said:I must admit I was all for fracking to begin with but, having read some of the concerns in the US about existing fracking initiatives, I am less sure.
However, it's hard to ignore the fact that fracking in the US makes up 43% of the oil production and 67% of the natural gas production. That is a massive contribution.0 -
Starting to stink to high heaven
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2015/12/16/revealed-cuadrilla-and-leading-fracking-firms-tax-haven-ownership/0 -
I'm all in favour of fracking within a 30 mile radius of where I live.
As long as it's done under Croydon and Thornton Heath.9 -
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fracking-environment-ireland-theresa-may-a7771956.html
It's one thing to drill into the ground to get to gas / oil, but to be injecting liquid at high pressure into subterranean rocks can't be good.0 -
The US has massive areas of wilderness which the UK doesn'tstonemuse said:I must admit I was all for fracking to begin with but, having read some of the concerns in the US about existing fracking initiatives, I am less sure.
However, it's hard to ignore the fact that fracking in the US makes up 43% of the oil production and 67% of the natural gas production. That is a massive contribution.
You can argue about the merits and environmental cost, but the US economy certainly benefits massively from fracking, and politically it means that it doesn't have to import as much from nice countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia
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So according to that there is an estimated 1300 trillion cubic feet of shale gas under the UK. We use 3 trillion cubic feet a year, so accounting modest rises, that's 300-400 years worth of gas if we can get it all. That's obviously very unlikely, so it comes down to what percentage and can we reasonably expect to extract safely and economically.stonemuse said:
This may help.ShootersHillGuru said:
Do you know what percentage we could hope or expect to get in the UK ?stonemuse said:I must admit I was all for fracking to begin with but, having read some of the concerns in the US about existing fracking initiatives, I am less sure.
However, it's hard to ignore the fact that fracking in the US makes up 43% of the oil production and 67% of the natural gas production. That is a massive contribution.
https://gov.uk/government/publications/about-shale-gas-and-hydraulic-fracturing-fracking/developing-shale-oil-and-gas-in-the-uk0 -
If they're not careful Blackpool could disappear.
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Thought that was, what Oyston was trying to do.Covered End said:If they're not careful Blackpool could disappear.
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I think you need to be far more precise on the location. I've heard there's a gazillion cubic miles of oil, gas and gold Latitude: 51.397983 Longitude: -0.085956752blackpool72 said:I'm all in favour of fracking within a 30 mile radius of where I live.
As long as it's done under Croydon and Thornton Heath.
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As I understand it most fracking sites will be in areas of economic wilderness in the U.K. It’ll be nice for northern England to feel like they are finally contributing something to our economy.killerandflash said:
The US has massive areas of wilderness which the UK doesn'tstonemuse said:I must admit I was all for fracking to begin with but, having read some of the concerns in the US about existing fracking initiatives, I am less sure.
However, it's hard to ignore the fact that fracking in the US makes up 43% of the oil production and 67% of the natural gas production. That is a massive contribution.
You can argue about the merits and environmental cost, but the US economy certainly benefits massively from fracking, and politically it means that it doesn't have to import as much from nice countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia5 -
...briefly until they sink into the North Sea?se9addick said:
As I understand it most fracking sites will be in areas of economic wilderness in the U.K. It’ll be nice for northern England to feel like they are finally contributing something to our economy.killerandflash said:
The US has massive areas of wilderness which the UK doesn'tstonemuse said:I must admit I was all for fracking to begin with but, having read some of the concerns in the US about existing fracking initiatives, I am less sure.
However, it's hard to ignore the fact that fracking in the US makes up 43% of the oil production and 67% of the natural gas production. That is a massive contribution.
You can argue about the merits and environmental cost, but the US economy certainly benefits massively from fracking, and politically it means that it doesn't have to import as much from nice countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia
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Would be an improvement for some parts of the north!0
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Obviously I know that.bobmunro said:
I think you need to be far more precise on the location. I've heard there's a gazillion cubic miles of oil, gas and gold Latitude: 51.397983 Longitude: -0.085956752blackpool72 said:I'm all in favour of fracking within a 30 mile radius of where I live.
As long as it's done under Croydon and Thornton Heath.
I just didn't want to show off.2 -
https://theecologist.org/2018/oct/24/oil-and-gas-ties-fracking-judge-investigated
It’ll all be handled fairly and above board.1 -
I assume you’ve all seen Gasland?0
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I'm no climate expert but doesn't Fracking pretty much ignore what the climate change report a couple of weeks ago was going on about and the Paris agreement.4
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Don't worry about the tremors, folks, this just shows the Government is right in wanting to set the traffic lights to a higher level. If silly May hadn't lost them their majority, they'd be able to make it Richter magnitude 6.0 as of tomorrow.
Yes, it's possibly a bit cleaner than coal, that's all.Karim_myBagheri said:I'm no climate expert but doesn't Fracking pretty much ignore what the climate change report a couple of weeks ago was going on about and the Paris agreement.
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Well we're still be using some fossil fuels for the next 30 years which is a long time. And Oil is used for all sorts of non fuel uses as well (chemicals, plastics etc)Karim_myBagheri said:I'm no climate expert but doesn't Fracking pretty much ignore what the climate change report a couple of weeks ago was going on about and the Paris agreement.
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0.8 magnitude is literally nothing to worry about.
Not sure of the longer term consequences of it though?0 -
se9addick said:
As I understand it most fracking sites will be in areas of economic wilderness in the U.K. It’ll be nice for northern England to feel like they are finally contributing something to our economy.killerandflash said:
The US has massive areas of wilderness which the UK doesn'tstonemuse said:I must admit I was all for fracking to begin with but, having read some of the concerns in the US about existing fracking initiatives, I am less sure.
However, it's hard to ignore the fact that fracking in the US makes up 43% of the oil production and 67% of the natural gas production. That is a massive contribution.
You can argue about the merits and environmental cost, but the US economy certainly benefits massively from fracking, and politically it means that it doesn't have to import as much from nice countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia
Yeah, cos we’re just a bunch of fucking leeches ‘oop north’.
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0.8 is nothing to worry about if it occurs naturally and isn't a lead in to something bigger.JoshrewCAFC said:0.8 magnitude is literally nothing to worry about.
Not sure of the longer term consequences of it though?
0.8 made by an industrial operation (if that's what's happened) that's only just started is, for the people in the area, quite a big concern.2 -
I do believe he was being ironic. At least, I hope he was.AddickUpNorth said:se9addick said:
As I understand it most fracking sites will be in areas of economic wilderness in the U.K. It’ll be nice for northern England to feel like they are finally contributing something to our economy.killerandflash said:
The US has massive areas of wilderness which the UK doesn'tstonemuse said:I must admit I was all for fracking to begin with but, having read some of the concerns in the US about existing fracking initiatives, I am less sure.
However, it's hard to ignore the fact that fracking in the US makes up 43% of the oil production and 67% of the natural gas production. That is a massive contribution.
You can argue about the merits and environmental cost, but the US economy certainly benefits massively from fracking, and politically it means that it doesn't have to import as much from nice countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia
Yeah, cos we’re just a bunch of fucking leeches ‘oop north’.0 -
I understand the environmental and geopolitical advantages of having a domestic supply of shale gas to tide us over the period while we develop more renewable energy and the technology to use it to more fully replace petrochemical fuels.
BUT we live on a small and geologically complex island where even the most rural areas are densely populated when compared with great swathes of North America.
Some of our most sparsely populated regions are in our national parks - places like the Lake District, and the Peak District. The last I read was that fracking sites would not be set up in them, but could drill sideways for many miles under them from sites outside the boundaries to frack the underlying rocks. Maybe that sounds OK until you remember they are the aquifers from which much of the country draws its drinking water - and contamination of ground water has been one of the reported "complications" of fracking experienced in the USA.
Although it is currently the effect receiving the most publicity, I suspect earthquakes are the least of the problems fracking will bring in its wake.10 -
I watched a documentary a while ago about fracking, it showed Americans being able to literally light the water coming out of their taps as a result of fracking. I can't remember the name but I'll try and search it out.
This is something that should NOT be happening.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8