We had a penalty that could/should have gone in We had another "stonewall" penalty denied (quote from my neutral friends who were sat in the dale end) We hit the bar We hit the post We had at least one good looking goal ruled out for offside And another that maybe was/maybe wasn't offside
It wasn't our day
I went from feeling like we deserved nothing to feeling like we were utterly luckless within the space of a single text message to aforementioned friends
If things had been even slightly different, it could have been an easy three points
Still, to not score against the worst defense in any league is criminal and I was expecting a much better performance second half than we got
Rochdale did to us what we did to Barnsley. Yeah we hit the woodwork two or three times, criminally wasted a penalty, and had a lot of skill and slick passing. However in this league Rochdale's was a classic performance. We did not have a moment on the ball, they harried as if their lives depended on it, and the goal was the difference, not that they didn't carry a threat generally. We were very poor, hardly seemed a team at all, if it wasn't for individuals prepared to have pride in their personal performances it might have been a lot worse. Keith Hill is experienced at this level, Bowyer still learning, but very soon Bow will have to find a way to combat the up and at 'em style so prevalent in this league. We do have good players, but the sometimes excruciating and insistent build up from the back was crying out for a bit of variety. OK, in some games you have to play it long, accept you will lose the first challenge, but be ready to win the second ball, and be able to then use it further up the field. We tried one size fitting all today, but were well beaten because Rochdale tried harder with their game plan which suited their home circumstances. Individually no one was utterly useless, it was a failure of team play, so I give credit to Djiksteel, Cullen, Pratley, Pearce and Steer and Solly for standard decent performances, the others were average and that did not cut it today.
The trouble is I told Bowyer at Bromley Addicks on 6th September, that the excruciating and insistent build up from the back was crying out for a bit of variety.
I said if the forwards didn't win the first ball there is no reason why they couldn't win the second and if they headed the ball out at least we would be in their half.
We have 2 quick forwards and we need to play them in on goal by either playing balls over or around the opposition defence.
Bowyer is not playing to our strengths.
I also think Solly should go back to RB & we should play a left footer at LB, whether that be Reeves, Sarr or Mascoll.
Finally, I think the diamond needs to change to 4-4-2 or even 4-3-3 with Taylor & Vetokele up front & Grant wide.
If it ain't working Bowyer it needs changing. Both you & Jacko said you had learnt that from Robinson.
People having a go at steer and singing for Dillon Phillips is very harsh. He made two very good saves today which kept them to 1-0 or do people forget about them? He also came and claimed crosses well. It’s not his fault he’s put in ahead of Phillips but he certainly did more than just misplace a few passes. And also you cannot blame him or the two centre backs as the movement ahead of them was criminal.
Bowyer instructs the goalie, whether it be Cullen or Phillips to play the ball out from the back.
Therefore it is not the goalie's fault that they are doing as instructed.
Really surprised that Bielik was subbed for tactical purposes. He was excellent at CB against Barnsley, should we have gone to 3 at the back if he wanted to keep Pratley at CB?
I wasn't there so this is pure speculation but it sounds like the prima donna Arsenal loanee didn't fancy a cold day in Rochdale when taken in tandem with Bowyer's comments regarding the attitude of some of his players.
I genuinely thought he was our best player in the first half.
was due to go to this but thankfully a Friday 'emergency' meant I couldn't make it .. thank the lord, even though it meant I lost a hotel booking and the price of a ticket .. few observations from afar .. Taylor misses another pen .. I believe he's scored 2, missed 2 and Fosu scored 1 even though Taylor was on the pitch at the time .. sort it out .. Bielek .. I have got the right hump with us borrowing Arsenal players who just do not seem to want to play for us and get injured or possibly feign injury .. Bielik, if you don't wanna play for us, fuck off .. Solly at left back .. I've said enuf about this in the past .. sounds like a lacklustre performance all round .. too early to say but has Bowyer and his temper alienated some temperamental players ? .. Taylor plays too wide for most of the game .. we need a proper central striker, but who ? .. wasn't there so will say no more .. inconsistency will be our downfall
What an ignorant post regarding Bielik. You couldn't be more wrong.
was due to go to this but thankfully a Friday 'emergency' meant I couldn't make it .. thank the lord, even though it meant I lost a hotel booking and the price of a ticket .. few observations from afar .. Taylor misses another pen .. I believe he's scored 2, missed 2 and Fosu scored 1 even though Taylor was on the pitch at the time .. sort it out .. Bielek .. I have got the right hump with us borrowing Arsenal players who just do not seem to want to play for us and get injured or possibly feign injury .. Bielik, if you don't wanna play for us, fuck off .. Solly at left back .. I've said enuf about this in the past .. sounds like a lacklustre performance all round .. too early to say but has Bowyer and his temper alienated some temperamental players ? .. Taylor plays too wide for most of the game .. we need a proper central striker, but who ? .. wasn't there so will say no more .. inconsistency will be our downfall
What an ignorant post regarding Bielik. You couldn't be more wrong.
Though from post match comments, it would seem Bowyer agrees with Lincs.
was due to go to this but thankfully a Friday 'emergency' meant I couldn't make it .. thank the lord, even though it meant I lost a hotel booking and the price of a ticket .. few observations from afar .. Taylor misses another pen .. I believe he's scored 2, missed 2 and Fosu scored 1 even though Taylor was on the pitch at the time .. sort it out .. Bielek .. I have got the right hump with us borrowing Arsenal players who just do not seem to want to play for us and get injured or possibly feign injury .. Bielik, if you don't wanna play for us, fuck off .. Solly at left back .. I've said enuf about this in the past .. sounds like a lacklustre performance all round .. too early to say but has Bowyer and his temper alienated some temperamental players ? .. Taylor plays too wide for most of the game .. we need a proper central striker, but who ? .. wasn't there so will say no more .. inconsistency will be our downfall
What an ignorant post regarding Bielik. You couldn't be more wrong.
Though from post match comments, it would seem Bowyer agrees with Lincs.
I don't think so. Bowyer said he was unhappy with Bielik getting caught in possession didn't he?
I don't recall him saying Bielik doesn't want to play for us, nor that he was feigning injury and I certainly don't believe Bowyer would approve of Bielik being told to fuck off. Happy to be corrected.
This is my humble impression of the sum total of our tactical play over the last 3 years. We move the ball aimlessly at the back (creating no space) then hurry long 50/50 balls to isolated forwards who at best manage to create some random mess from which on a good day one of our gifted individuals go on to get behind the opposition's defence and create scoring opportunity. When it works (Barnsley) we (the crowd and unfortunately the management too) very quickly draw target circles around these random arrows and convince ourselves we were brilliant, and vice versa when we lose...
Propper passing football of quick one touch compact passing at speed with off the ball movement to create space is something we don't seem to produce and not for lack of individuals skill in my opinion.
Different manager..? Not necessary. Just a rethink maybe...
At this level and below you 'll never survive if you fail to compete..you really have to get the basics right..and have the tactical nous to exploit the talent the squad has once you cover the basics
We are just wank . You know as soon as Charlton fans start blowing someones trumpet that they just turn to shit . We are probably cursed . This has all come from the stale wankstain of ownership that has diseased our club , I fucking hate it , we are beyond pathetic . We are gonna at least equal our longest spell( I believe it’s 4 seasons at this level) of wankness since we entered the Football League . In the mean time we look for crumbs of comfort elsewhere , well no the scum aren’t going down from the Championship and nor are palarse from the Premiership . Both clubs have never been this far above us in the footballing pyramid for such a long time at the same time . These are truly shameful , pathetic times for our club . All because of the slow death inflicted upon us by that twunt from Belgium . I don’t know how we rid ourselves of the old scrote but as I’m sure will happen after a few wins , wanking about a little bit of success in a dross League One and saying protests will affect our promotion run is pure bullshit . Who knows what the solution is but watching this club die is fucking painful .
Watched on iFollow. It was like a defeat under Robinson. Too much passing out from the back, problem is we don’t have a striker that can win headers. We need to find a way to go longer at times to mix it up.
One of the things I’ve liked about Bowyer is his teams have been more balanced. Not overly direct or tippy tappy, or too attacking or defensive, stuck to one formation or style of play etc.
I like the diamond but it needs the right players. Solly and Dijksteel’s strengths aren’t attacking. Ward and Fosu are more wide players than central players.
The other issue is the lack of goals from our midfield. They need to get in more goalscoring positions which will lead them taking more shots. It’s great to have two goal scoring strikers but we need more goals from elsewhere in the team.
Watched on iFollow. It was like a defeat under Robinson. Too much passing out from the back, problem is we don’t have a striker that can win headers. We need to find a way to go longer at times to mix it up.
One of the things I’ve liked about Bowyer is his teams have been more balanced. Not overly direct or tippy tappy, or too attacking or defensive, stuck to one formation or style of play etc.
I like the diamond but it needs the right players. Solly and Dijksteel’s strengths aren’t attacking. Ward and Fosu are more wide players than central players.
The other issue is the lack of goals from our midfield. They need to get in more goalscoring positions which will lead them taking more shots. It’s great to have two goal scoring strikers but we need more goals from elsewhere in the team.
Yes we do... Lyle Taylor
Just there will be games when Defenders will get the better of him, the same as in other games he'll get the better of them
Problem is we dont have an alternative to him if defences do have his number
I think any remaining optimism for the season has been extinguished.
Has it? - Just feels a typical feel on CharltonLife
Win and we're getting to the Play-Offs | Lose and its season over
We've lost three of our last six games and won once and are playing poorly - with the possible exception of the Barnsley game. It doesn't look good.....
At the game. Very poor performance with nothing of note to report. Taylor had an absolute stinker......can’t remember him wining one single header and only rarely did he get the ball down to feet and link play. Rochdale pretty average and yet again an average side found a way to stop us playing. Worrying times.
I think any remaining optimism for the season has been extinguished.
Has it? - Just feels a typical feel on CharltonLife
Win and we're getting to the Play-Offs | Lose and its season over
We've lost three of our last six games and won once and are playing poorly - with the possible exception of the Barnsley game. It doesn't look good.....
Hopefully things will change.
Do hope things will change, yet if we win our next three we've only missed our nine game target by three points
I think any remaining optimism for the season has been extinguished.
Has it? - Just feels a typical feel on CharltonLife
Win and we're getting to the Play-Offs | Lose and its season over
We've lost three of our last six games and won once and are playing poorly - with the possible exception of the Barnsley game. It doesn't look good.....
Hopefully things will change.
Do hope things will change, yet if we win our next three we've only missed our nine game target by three points
That can easily be made up later on in the season
I'm not really sure what LB will do to change things. The return of Page would certainly help but we don't seem to score enough.
Once you drop below 1.5 points per game you're going nowhere. Next 3 fixtures:
I think any remaining optimism for the season has been extinguished.
Has it? - Just feels a typical feel on CharltonLife
Win and we're getting to the Play-Offs | Lose and its season over
We've lost three of our last six games and won once and are playing poorly - with the possible exception of the Barnsley game. It doesn't look good.....
Hopefully things will change.
Do hope things will change, yet if we win our next three we've only missed our nine game target by three points
That can easily be made up later on in the season
I'm not really sure what LB will do to change things. The return of Page would certainly help but we don't seem to score enough.
Once you drop below 1.5 points per game you're going nowhere. Next 3 fixtures:
Doncaster H Walsall A Portsmouth A
All potentially difficult.
Yet funnily am more confident against the tougher teams under Bowyer - Not to mention there is no guarantee that game against Portsmouth will happen
If there is issue with Bowyer's tactics its the fact we cant seem to beat the teams we should be beating: AFC Wimbledon | Bristol Rovers | Rochdale | Oxford | Fleetwood
These are all similar opponents yet we've failed to show up each time against any of them since he's been in charge
Read the BBC (Press association) report, and it seemed we were unlucky. Read here and we made Panama look good. I suspect the truth lies somewhere between...
I think any remaining optimism for the season has been extinguished.
Has it? - Just feels a typical feel on CharltonLife
Win and we're getting to the Play-Offs | Lose and its season over
We've lost three of our last six games and won once and are playing poorly - with the possible exception of the Barnsley game. It doesn't look good.....
Hopefully things will change.
Do hope things will change, yet if we win our next three we've only missed our nine game target by three points
That can easily be made up later on in the season
I'm not really sure what LB will do to change things. The return of Page would certainly help but we don't seem to score enough.
Once you drop below 1.5 points per game you're going nowhere. Next 3 fixtures:
Doncaster H Walsall A Portsmouth A
All potentially difficult.
Yet funnily am more confident against the tougher teams under Bowyer - Not to mention there is no guarantee that game against Portsmouth will happen
If there is issue with Bowyer's tactics its the fact we cant seem to beat the teams we should be beating: AFC Wimbledon | Bristol Rovers | Rochdale | Oxford | Fleetwood
These are all similar opponents yet we've failed to show up each time against any of them since he's been in charge
Good analysis. He has deemed it to be attitude the old 'we're too good for this league just roll over and we'll tickle your belly' mentality. Unfortunately we are prime meat for the lesser likes of league one. You have to meet fire with fire just like Powell's squad did in 2011/2012. This squad has some good technically gifted players but do they fancy a battle on a cold winters day oop North , which this league mainly is. On yesterday's showing some didn't.
Bowyer tells it like it is and how he expects his players to roll their sleeves up just as he would have done but if some of them ain't got the same drive and appetite for the challenge.......... It ain't gonna happen no matter what formation he deploys, we are still lacking some useful big lumps IMO and the alternatives don't exist with the back up available.
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We should remember
We had a penalty that could/should have gone in
We had another "stonewall" penalty denied (quote from my neutral friends who were sat in the dale end)
We hit the bar
We hit the post
We had at least one good looking goal ruled out for offside
And another that maybe was/maybe wasn't offside
It wasn't our day
I went from feeling like we deserved nothing to feeling like we were utterly luckless within the space of a single text message to aforementioned friends
If things had been even slightly different, it could have been an easy three points
Still, to not score against the worst defense in any league is criminal and I was expecting a much better performance second half than we got
Only one comment to make at the moment.
Fantastic, Joe Denly !!!!!!
Quite happy with a bit of industrial football if it gets results.
I said if the forwards didn't win the first ball there is no reason why they couldn't win the second and if they headed the ball out at least we would be in their half.
We have 2 quick forwards and we need to play them in on goal by either playing balls over or around the opposition defence.
Bowyer is not playing to our strengths.
I also think Solly should go back to RB & we should play a left footer at LB, whether that be Reeves, Sarr or Mascoll.
Finally, I think the diamond needs to change to 4-4-2 or even 4-3-3 with Taylor & Vetokele up front & Grant wide.
If it ain't working Bowyer it needs changing.
Both you & Jacko said you had learnt that from Robinson.
It needs changing NOW.
Therefore it is not the goalie's fault that they are doing as instructed.
You couldn't be more wrong.
I don't recall him saying Bielik doesn't want to play for us, nor that he was feigning injury and I certainly don't believe Bowyer would approve of Bielik being told to fuck off.
Happy to be corrected.
We move the ball aimlessly at the back (creating no space) then hurry long 50/50 balls to isolated forwards who at best manage to create some random mess from which on a good day one of our gifted individuals go on to get behind the opposition's defence and create scoring opportunity.
When it works (Barnsley) we (the crowd and unfortunately the management too) very quickly draw target circles around these random arrows and convince ourselves we were brilliant, and vice versa when we lose...
Propper passing football of quick one touch compact passing at speed with off the ball movement to create space is something we don't seem to produce and not for lack of individuals skill in my opinion.
Different manager..?
Not necessary.
Just a rethink maybe...
You know as soon as Charlton fans start blowing someones trumpet that they just turn to shit .
We are probably cursed .
This has all come from the stale wankstain of ownership that has diseased our club , I fucking hate it , we are beyond pathetic .
We are gonna at least equal our longest spell( I believe it’s 4 seasons at this level) of wankness since we entered the Football League .
In the mean time we look for crumbs of comfort elsewhere , well no the scum aren’t going down from the Championship and nor are palarse from the Premiership . Both clubs have never been this far above us in the footballing pyramid for such a long time at the same time .
These are truly shameful , pathetic times for our club .
All because of the slow death inflicted upon us by that twunt from Belgium .
I don’t know how we rid ourselves of the old scrote but as I’m sure will happen after a few wins , wanking about a little bit of success in a dross League One and saying protests will affect our promotion run is pure bullshit .
Who knows what the solution is but watching this club die is fucking painful .
A cheery read for Sunday morning !!
One of the things I’ve liked about Bowyer is his teams have been more balanced. Not overly direct or tippy tappy, or too attacking or defensive, stuck to one formation or style of play etc.
I like the diamond but it needs the right players. Solly and Dijksteel’s strengths aren’t attacking. Ward and Fosu are more wide players than central players.
The other issue is the lack of goals from our midfield. They need to get in more goalscoring positions which will lead them taking more shots. It’s great to have two goal scoring strikers but we need more goals from elsewhere in the team.
Just there will be games when Defenders will get the better of him, the same as in other games he'll get the better of them
Problem is we dont have an alternative to him if defences do have his number
Win and we're getting to the Play-Offs | Lose and its season over
Hopefully things will change.
Very poor performance with nothing of note to report.
Taylor had an absolute stinker......can’t remember him wining one single header and only rarely did he get the ball down to feet and link play.
Rochdale pretty average and yet again an average side found a way to stop us playing.
Worrying times.
Long way to go yet mate.
That can easily be made up later on in the season
Once you drop below 1.5 points per game you're going nowhere. Next 3 fixtures:
Doncaster H
Walsall A
Portsmouth A
All potentially difficult.
If there is issue with Bowyer's tactics its the fact we cant seem to beat the teams we should be beating: AFC Wimbledon | Bristol Rovers | Rochdale | Oxford | Fleetwood
These are all similar opponents yet we've failed to show up each time against any of them since he's been in charge
It's still wank losing to Rochdale.
Bowyer tells it like it is and how he expects his players to roll their sleeves up just as he would have done but if some of them ain't got the same drive and appetite for the challenge.......... It ain't gonna happen no matter what formation he deploys, we are still lacking some useful big lumps IMO and the alternatives don't exist with the back up available.