There are probably hypocrites who didn't go yesterday because it was ONLY a cup game who are slating Bowyer for playing a weakened side. They are certainly in position to critisise if they didn't go for those reasons. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If you didn't go yesterday for those reasons, fair enough, that is your prerogative. But if you didn't go for those reasons, then also shut up!
What happens though if I didn't go yesterday but went Mansfield and burton away
This is a profession that people pay good money to watch. All club's at this level have their problems. No excuses. We should be competing. End of.
We've got the second worst owner in the entire Football League, we've broken our lowest attendance record twice this season and have lost over half of our regular home support in the last four years and are currently enjoying or longest ever spell in the third tier. We've got no CEO, no CFO, the few staff we have got left haven't been paid what they were promised by our owner. We've got a thinner squad now than the thin squad we had last year, which was thinner than the squad we had the year before. Simon Jordan is now our biggest ally in the media. I could go on, for hours.
Have a little look down the league table and tell me how many clubs can say "their problems" are on a par with ours.
Exactly so hardly a good time to piss of a large portion of your fan base.
It seems a pattern is emerging. We exit lamely from cup competitions claiming it is for the greater good.
Meanwhile yer average Charlton supporter is ahead of the curve. With pride levels so low and an expectation rating of zero, it is no surprise that we don't bother to turn up. Less than three thousand for a home tie in the FA Cup? Come on, how is that good for anyone? As a net result the business that is Charlton Athletic is heading down the Swanee. Please God someone save us.
This is a profession that people pay good money to watch. All club's at this level have their problems. No excuses. We should be competing. End of.
We've got the second worst owner in the entire Football League, we've broken our lowest attendance record twice this season and have lost over half of our regular home support in the last four years and are currently enjoying or longest ever spell in the third tier. We've got no CEO, no CFO, the few staff we have got left haven't been paid what they were promised by our owner. We've got a thinner squad now than the thin squad we had last year, which was thinner than the squad we had the year before. Simon Jordan is now our biggest ally in the media. I could go on, for hours.
Have a little look down the league table and tell me how many clubs can say "their problems" are on a par with ours.
Exactly so hardly a good time to piss of a large portion of your fan base.
We were already pissed off, weren't we? And whose fault is that, Bowyer or Roland?
There are probably hypocrites who didn't go yesterday because it was ONLY a cup game who are slating Bowyer for playing a weakened side. They are certainly in position to critisise if they didn't go for those reasons. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If you didn't go yesterday for those reasons, fair enough, that is your prerogative. But if you didn't go for those reasons, then also shut up!
What?!?!? People who are so disaffected by Charlton's previous pathetic cup exploits are now denied a voice to argue that we should have a better offering in future. And calling them hypocrites at that! Absolutely incredible. I think you own some people an apology.
To graft this on the the Meire restaurant analogy, it's like saying you can only complain about the service in a restaurant if you keep turning up time and time again for more bad service. Who on earth would do that?
If anyone needs reminding of just how bad our cup record is, take a look at the table below. It shows the round that Charlton exited the competition and the club defeating them for every year from 1948 onwards (dates given are the calendar years of cup final matches. In some instances, particularly recently, Charlton would have been dispatched in the previous calendar year). Some years we can't grumble; twice, for instance, we have been knocked out by eventual double winners. Fair enough, there's probably not much we could have done there. But the table is littered with the names of clubs we could reasonably be expected to win against - not least Doncaster yesterday. I bet there isn't a club of our size with a worse record in recent history. Charlton fans deserve better.
Most worrying is looking at recent years. For three years in a row we have not even made it to the third round and in the season before that we had the Colchester debacle. The blame for these recent failures lies fair and square on the shoulders of the owner. He is the one that hires the managers and tells them their priorities. He is the one who has not managed the club properly.
The FA Cup is a first-team competition. Any team that we put out should be primarily made up of first team players. That's not to say that we shouldn't rest individual players here or there if they are injured or genuinely fatigued, but if there is a need to make such changes en-masse it is an indicator that the club is not being managed properly and that is something that needs to be addressed. As fans, we should not meekly accept a complete second string being put out on the park. The FA Cup is (still) a prestigious competition. Tickets are sold on the basis of it being a first team competition, whether the manager lets slip that he's making lots of changes or not. We are told that the league is the club's priority, but frankly we are told that every year and it never happens. Wanting promotion is not and never should be an excuse for conning fans out of their money and diluting the integrity of the competition. Frankly, the FA should come down like a ton of bricks on clubs fielding weakened sides. Sadly, as we have seen with other issues of governance, they are completely toothless.
1st Round, (2): 1974 Bournemouth, 2010 Northwich V
5th Round (9):1948 Man Utd (2nd in league), 1955 Wolves (2nd in league), 1956 Arsenal, 1962 Aston Villa, 1976 Wolves, 1981 Ipswich (sf), 1989 West Ham, 1996 Liverpool (finalists, 3rd in league), 2005 Leicester
6th Round/Quarter Final (4): 1994 Man Utd (double winners), 2000 Bolton (sf), 2006 Middlesbrough (sf), 2014 Sheff Utd (sf)
It's not just about yesterday....it's about the whole FA Cup thing. Bowyer was just yet another manager taking the piss out of the competition and it's another case of football eating itself from within.
Even with full fitness, he's basically saying he won't put a full strength side out. The 2nd round always happens in December when there are a lot of fixtures so if we get there again, expect to see the 2nd string come what may.
All he had to do yesterday, was add Aribo, Fosu, Bielik into the mix and most people would have been happy.
Massively overreacting. We've always been shit in the cups and anybody that was expecting different today was deluding themselves. With a paper-thin squad, already suffering from injuries, it was the right thing to do. I don't understand the need for a big day out in the 3rd round.
This is certainly true of Charlton in my lifetime. I don't see it as either a valid excuse or an expectation that we should always be the same though. There's magic in a good cup run, if you can't dream and hope, you might as well not bother with football. And if a professional team can't put out a side worthy of the competition then perhaps they shouldn't be in business.
To be fair the bloody competition - like the League Cup (or whatever they want to call it) has been devalued for years, ever since Man Utd. 'dropped out'. TV and the pressures of staying in the Premier League/qualifying for Europe etc. has ensured our domestic cups (at least up until the quarter finals) are now beyond a joke, despite the TV pundits efforts to convince us otherwise. Bowyer - and other managers in a similar position - realise this and pick their teams accordingly. It's the real world and it ain't going to change any time soon.
if Millwall draw arsenal and arsenal play there academy side allowing millwall to beat them, everyone okay with that? For me I think the fa cup you should always respect it, IF we had a game Tuesday I could maybe get it
I think that the idea of going to the football was always to watch your time at least try and win the game, maybe times have changed and using fixtures as part of you tactics is the done thing these days, but it don't sit well with me personally.
There will always be an excuse not to go for it in any season regardless. This year it's promotion, another year staying up, then consolidating.. And on and on...
To answer the op no, I don't think it's an over reaction to be annoyed and express that annoyance on a message board. We aren't storming Bowyers office or demanding his resignation or anything like that are we?
The day I don't get annoyed when we lose a winnable game for whatever reason I think I'll be done.
I don't believe he told them to play bad and lose. We never at our best granted but it wasn't gutless. But say we had a replay and a chance of a biggy, he plays a better team. If it's a chance to play Woking or team from our division (in a replay) then he would play the sort of side he played at MKD in the League Cup.
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I'm doing Barnsley and Shrewsbury away so I can do without another away game in between them.
Meanwhile yer average Charlton supporter is ahead of the curve. With pride levels so low and an expectation rating of zero, it is no surprise that we don't bother to turn up. Less than three thousand for a home tie in the FA Cup? Come on, how is that good for anyone? As a net result the business that is Charlton Athletic is heading down the Swanee. Please God someone save us.
Amen.
You will become one of us
You need to look at the bigger picture.
To graft this on the the Meire restaurant analogy, it's like saying you can only complain about the service in a restaurant if you keep turning up time and time again for more bad service. Who on earth would do that?
Most worrying is looking at recent years. For three years in a row we have not even made it to the third round and in the season before that we had the Colchester debacle. The blame for these recent failures lies fair and square on the shoulders of the owner. He is the one that hires the managers and tells them their priorities. He is the one who has not managed the club properly.
The FA Cup is a first-team competition. Any team that we put out should be primarily made up of first team players. That's not to say that we shouldn't rest individual players here or there if they are injured or genuinely fatigued, but if there is a need to make such changes en-masse it is an indicator that the club is not being managed properly and that is something that needs to be addressed. As fans, we should not meekly accept a complete second string being put out on the park. The FA Cup is (still) a prestigious competition. Tickets are sold on the basis of it being a first team competition, whether the manager lets slip that he's making lots of changes or not. We are told that the league is the club's priority, but frankly we are told that every year and it never happens. Wanting promotion is not and never should be an excuse for conning fans out of their money and diluting the integrity of the competition. Frankly, the FA should come down like a ton of bricks on clubs fielding weakened sides. Sadly, as we have seen with other issues of governance, they are completely toothless.
1st Round, (2): 1974 Bournemouth, 2010 Northwich V
2nd Round, (4): 1975 Peterborough, 2017 MK Dons, 2018 Wimbledon, 2019 Doncaster
3rd Round, (36): 1949 Burnley, 1951 Blackpool (finalists, 3rd in league), 1952 Luton, 1953 Hull, 1954 Portsmouth, 1957 Middlesbrough, 1961 Spurs (double winners), 1964 West Ham (winners), 1966 Preston, 1967 Sheff Utd, 1968 Coventry, 1971 Hull, 1972 Tranmere, 1973 Bolton, 1977 Blackburn, 1978 Notts County, 1980 Wrexham, 1982 Orient, 1983 Ipswich, 1985 Spurs (3rd in league), 1986 West Ham (3rd in league), 1987 Walsall, 1988 West Ham, 1991 Everton, 1993 Leeds, 1995 Chelsea, 1997 Newcastle (2nd in league), 1999 Blackburn, 2004 Gillingham, 2007 Nottm Forest, 2008 WBA, 2011 Spurs, 2012 Fulham, 2013 Huddersfield, 2015 Blackburn, 2016 Colchester
4th Round (17): 1950 Cardiff, 1958 Fulham, 1959 Everton, 1960 Wolves (winners, 2nd in league), 1963 Chelsea, 1965 Middlesbrough, 1969 Arsenal, 1970 QPR, 1978 Bristol Rovers, 1984 Watford (finalists), 1990 WBA, 1992 Sheff Utd, 1998 Wolves (sf),2001 Spurs (sf), 2002 Walsall, 2003 Fulham, 2009 Sheff Utd
5th Round (9):1948 Man Utd (2nd in league), 1955 Wolves (2nd in league), 1956 Arsenal, 1962 Aston Villa, 1976 Wolves, 1981 Ipswich (sf), 1989 West Ham, 1996 Liverpool (finalists, 3rd in league), 2005 Leicester
6th Round/Quarter Final (4): 1994 Man Utd (double winners), 2000 Bolton (sf), 2006 Middlesbrough (sf), 2014 Sheff Utd (sf)
Semi Final (0): Nil
Final (0): Nil
Undefeated (0): N/A
Even with full fitness, he's basically saying he won't put a full strength side out. The 2nd round always happens in December when there are a lot of fixtures so if we get there again, expect to see the 2nd string come what may.
All he had to do yesterday, was add Aribo, Fosu, Bielik into the mix and most people would have been happy.
A third division club playing their reserves.
It's come to that.
Charlton are a joke.
To answer the op no, I don't think it's an over reaction to be annoyed and express that annoyance on a message board. We aren't storming Bowyers office or demanding his resignation or anything like that are we?
The day I don't get annoyed when we lose a winnable game for whatever reason I think I'll be done.