Luckily doesn’t affect us as our cars are either compliant or exempt but still a piss take. Got F all to do with clean air, just plugging the financial hole that TFL are in.
I can't see the problem with this if you live in London. Hopefully I get caught with my old 2018 car in 2030 with the electricity evolution.
Ok I'll bite.
Pretend you are a carer on minimum wage. You need a car to get from patient to patient. You are currently driving an old banger because that is all you can afford.
Such people do not have thousands of pounds lying around so they can buy a compliant car. So they either stop working or pay a further £12.50 a day out of their paltry earnings that are scarcely sufficient for them to live on.
There will be lots of people in all sorts of jobs who will find themselves in a similar situation.
Really? It was part of the govt bailout of TFL that the ULEZ was extended to the M25. Obviously the govt want Khan to get the blame but this was one of Grant Shapps main aims.
Really? It was part of the govt bailout of TFL that the ULEZ was extended to the M25. Obviously the govt want Khan to get the blame but this was one of Grant Shapps main aims.
That's just wrong.
In layman's terms, as part of the bailout TfL are obliged to find savings. But the government did not instruct Khan to extend the ULEZ to the M25. That was Khan's choice.
If you look at para 22, it clearly - and quite pointedly -states "You have decided to consult on proposals for the introduction of a
London-wide Ultra Low Emission Zone for introduction in 2023, to improve air quality in London."
There is no instruction from the government for him to do it.
Absolute appalling news. Especially in SE London where the tube doesn't even go anywhere near. I bet the ULEZ map would look a lot different if it was based on the Underground.
So basically there is a £12.50 charge to enter Greater London.
Muppets.
Yep, we’re in the same boat. We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.
The artificial boundary between London and the Home Counties is a concern. Businesses just inside the London boundary will be impacted if customers just outside stop coming in, Crayford shops being a good example.
It will be interesting if more people go to Dartford Sainsbury's and Aldi at the expense of the Crayford ones, even if they live nearer Crayford.
I can't see the problem with this if you live in London. Hopefully I get caught with my old 2018 car in 2030 with the electricity evolution.
Ok I'll bite.
Pretend you are a carer on minimum wage. You need a car to get from patient to patient. You are currently driving an old banger because that is all you can afford.
Such people do not have thousands of pounds lying around so they can buy a compliant car. So they either stop working or pay a further £12.50 a day out of their paltry earnings that are scarcely sufficient for them to live on.
There will be lots of people in all sorts of jobs who will find themselves in a similar situation.
So what you're saying is that you feel these people should be paid a more realistic wage, reflecting the essential and extremely challenging work they do and/or receive some kind of grant to buy a subsidised electric vehicle? I agree.
Absolute appalling news. Especially in SE London where the tube doesn't even go anywhere near. I bet the ULEZ map would look a lot different if it was based on the Underground.
So basically there is a £12.50 charge to enter Greater London.
Muppets.
Yep, we’re in the same boat. We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.
If that car is so polluting though @meldrew66 was it such a good buy in the first place? Does it actually fail the ulez checker to verify it breaches the Euro6 standard?
Absolute appalling news. Especially in SE London where the tube doesn't even go anywhere near. I bet the ULEZ map would look a lot different if it was based on the Underground.
So basically there is a £12.50 charge to enter Greater London.
Muppets.
Yep, we’re in the same boat. We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.
How old is the car? I ask because the charge only applies to diesel vehicles older than 2015, you need to check, you might be worrying about nothing.🤞
My Fiesta diesel (63 plate) is road tax exempt due to its low emissions, yet not for ULEZ. However my mate’s 335 which is £450 a year road tax because of the emissions is ULEZ compliant. Go figure.
Sadiq says 'Our city is being smothered by toxic air. Air pollution particles have even been found in the livers and brains of unborn babies. We can not stand idly by and allow this to continue'
What he forgot to add was 'unless you pay us £12.50 a day to help pay our 100k wages and bonuses, then that pollution magically disappears and you are no longer a baby killer'
Absolute appalling news. Especially in SE London where the tube doesn't even go anywhere near. I bet the ULEZ map would look a lot different if it was based on the Underground.
So basically there is a £12.50 charge to enter Greater London.
Muppets.
Yep, we’re in the same boat. We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.
How old is the car? I ask because the charge only applies to diesel vehicles older than 2015, you need to check, you might be worrying about nothing.🤞
Absolute appalling news. Especially in SE London where the tube doesn't even go anywhere near. I bet the ULEZ map would look a lot different if it was based on the Underground.
So basically there is a £12.50 charge to enter Greater London.
Muppets.
Yep, we’re in the same boat. We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.
How old is the car? I ask because the charge only applies to diesel vehicles older than 2015, you need to check, you might be worrying about nothing.🤞
Sadiq says 'Our city is being smothered by toxic air. Air pollution particles have even been found in the livers and brains of unborn babies. We can not stand idly by and allow this to continue'
What he forgot to add was 'unless you pay us £12.50 a day to help pay our 100k wages and bonuses, then that pollution magically disappears and you are no longer a baby killer'
Incentives are the most effective way to bring behavioural change.
Sadiq says 'Our city is being smothered by toxic air. Air pollution particles have even been found in the livers and brains of unborn babies. We can not stand idly by and allow this to continue'
What he forgot to add was 'unless you pay us £12.50 a day to help pay our 100k wages and bonuses, then that pollution magically disappears and you are no longer a baby killer'
Incentives are the most effective way to bring behavioural change.
It's not a complicated concept.
And how do we stop the large number of families doing school runs every day for presumably small journeys? That’s poor on every level yet appears to be increasing.
Schools try I think to encourage walking as should be very viable for most but it seems to little success.
Sadiq says 'Our city is being smothered by toxic air. Air pollution particles have even been found in the livers and brains of unborn babies. We can not stand idly by and allow this to continue'
What he forgot to add was 'unless you pay us £12.50 a day to help pay our 100k wages and bonuses, then that pollution magically disappears and you are no longer a baby killer'
Incentives are the most effective way to bring behavioural change.
It's not a complicated concept.
And how do we stop the large number of families doing school runs every day for presumably small journeys? That’s poor on every level yet appears to be increasing.
Schools try I think to encourage walking as should be very viable for most but it seems to little success.
ULEZ likely won’t solve. But what will?
Stricter enforcement around the schools with more restrictions?; so joint effort by council and schools leadership, on a council and school by school basis (Though couldn't see it happening myself either until some connected health scares materialise in the media!)
Sadiq says 'Our city is being smothered by toxic air. Air pollution particles have even been found in the livers and brains of unborn babies. We can not stand idly by and allow this to continue'
What he forgot to add was 'unless you pay us £12.50 a day to help pay our 100k wages and bonuses, then that pollution magically disappears and you are no longer a baby killer'
Incentives are the most effective way to bring behavioural change.
It's not a complicated concept.
And how do we stop the large number of families doing school runs every day for presumably small journeys? That’s poor on every level yet appears to be increasing.
Schools try I think to encourage walking as should be very viable for most but it seems to little success.
ULEZ likely won’t solve. But what will?
Stricter enforcement around the schools with more restrictions?; so joint effort by council and schools leadership, on a council and school by school basis (Though couldn't see it happening myself either until some connected health scares materialise in the media!)
It already happens in schools around London and rightly so imo
Really? It was part of the govt bailout of TFL that the ULEZ was extended to the M25. Obviously the govt want Khan to get the blame but this was one of Grant Shapps main aims.
That's just wrong.
In layman's terms, as part of the bailout TfL are obliged to find savings. But the government did not instruct Khan to extend the ULEZ to the M25. That was Khan's choice.
If you look at para 22, it clearly - and quite pointedly -states "You have decided to consult on proposals for the introduction of a
London-wide Ultra Low Emission Zone for introduction in 2023, to improve air quality in London."
There is no instruction from the government for him to do it.
Just because it is not in that document doesn't mean it wasn't there.
Normally politicians implement policies which will get them elected next time round. So I wonder why he would make himself so unpopular? Maybe he truly believes that implementing the ULEZ will improve the lives of people in Greater London? Maybe he's been forced into it?
Personally, I think it's a bad idea which is being badly implemented. It will bankrupt businesses and force people into poverty. Not what is needed in a recession.
A few years ago I got 3 new cars at work. Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV because the emissions were low enough to go into the Congestion Charge without paying and my guys were in there every single day. Effectively the saving meant the cars were very reasonably priced. What did they do? The reduced the emissions level to be 1 g/km below the limit of the Outlander and we then had to pay a premium for a hybrid vehicle (relatively new tech back then) as well as a load of congestion charges. They convinced everyone to get diesels a while back and now make them prohibitively expensive to buy and impossible to sell. Glad my wifes one is leased and goes back soon. They convinced everyone that electric vehicles are the way forward - but now we are charged stupid amounts for electricity.
No idea what to get when we get a new car or wifey now! Might just stick with plain and boring petrol cars
I handsdown win the competition for the most shafted, because of ulez. I run a gardening company in Bromley with six transit tipper trucks only one of which is ulez compliant (18 plate) to continue to trade I will need to pay £62.50 per truck per day or spend £18,000 on an 18 plate truck x5. That’s too much money which ever way you look at it. I’m all for saving the planet but why do I feel I am the one picked on here?. Shouldn’t the burden be shared? It really is a question of fairness.
A few years ago I got 3 new cars at work. Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV because the emissions were low enough to go into the Congestion Charge without paying and my guys were in there every single day. Effectively the saving meant the cars were very reasonably priced. What did they do? The reduced the emissions level to be 1 g/km below the limit of the Outlander and we then had to pay a premium for a hybrid vehicle (relatively new tech back then) as well as a load of congestion charges. They convinced everyone to get diesels a while back and now make them prohibitively expensive to buy and impossible to sell. Glad my wifes one is leased and goes back soon. They convinced everyone that electric vehicles are the way forward - but now we are charged stupid amounts for electricity.
No idea what to get when we get a new car or wifey now! Might just stick with plain and boring petrol cars
You are thinking of swapping out the Missus? Is she non-compliant?
I handsdown win the competition for the most shafted, because of ulez. I run a gardening company in Bromley with six transit tipper trucks only one of which is ulez compliant (18 plate) to continue to trade I will need to pay £62.50 per truck per day or spend £18,000 on an 18 plate truck x5. That’s too much money which ever way you look at it. I’m all for saving the planet but why do I feel I am the one picked on here?. Shouldn’t the burden be shared? It really is a question of fairness.
I'd contact your MP maybe it's Bob Neill. It may not help, but there may be some chink of light.
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Pretend you are a carer on minimum wage. You need a car to get from patient to patient. You are currently driving an old banger because that is all you can afford.
Such people do not have thousands of pounds lying around so they can buy a compliant car. So they either stop working or pay a further £12.50 a day out of their paltry earnings that are scarcely sufficient for them to live on.
There will be lots of people in all sorts of jobs who will find themselves in a similar situation.
In layman's terms, as part of the bailout TfL are obliged to find savings. But the government did not instruct Khan to extend the ULEZ to the M25. That was Khan's choice.
You can see the TFL settlement letter here - https://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-settlement-letter-30-august-2022.pdf
If you look at para 22, it clearly - and quite pointedly -states "You have decided to consult on proposals for the introduction of a London-wide Ultra Low Emission Zone for introduction in 2023, to improve air quality in London."
There is no instruction from the government for him to do it.
It will be interesting if more people go to Dartford Sainsbury's and Aldi at the expense of the Crayford ones, even if they live nearer Crayford.
I ask because the charge only applies to diesel vehicles older than 2015, you need to check, you might be worrying about nothing.🤞
Will also have significant impact on the City as Qatari investment looks like moving away as a result.
What he forgot to add was 'unless you pay us £12.50 a day to help pay our 100k wages and bonuses, then that pollution magically disappears and you are no longer a baby killer'
crystal ball working well.
It's not a complicated concept.
Personally, I think it's a bad idea which is being badly implemented. It will bankrupt businesses and force people into poverty. Not what is needed in a recession.
What did they do? The reduced the emissions level to be 1 g/km below the limit of the Outlander and we then had to pay a premium for a hybrid vehicle (relatively new tech back then) as well as a load of congestion charges.
They convinced everyone to get diesels a while back and now make them prohibitively expensive to buy and impossible to sell. Glad my wifes one is leased and goes back soon.
They convinced everyone that electric vehicles are the way forward - but now we are charged stupid amounts for electricity.
No idea what to get when we get a new car or wifey now! Might just stick with plain and boring petrol cars
It may not help, but there may be some chink of light.