An excellent event, with a very generous buffet and plentiful helpings of ‘Roland Out’ pie. Well done to the Trust. I didn’t realise the White Swan was so nice upstairs. Interestingly, the blackboard outside the pub was advertising an audience with John Coleman, although I imagine that he had rather more pressing pre-match preparations to attend to.
Andy Holt is a hugely admirable and engaging bloke, although I fear that, with the amount of money sloshing around in the top two divisions, this sort of emotionally engaged, local owner is largely a thing of the past. There are one or two people like Steve Gibson around but they are few and far between and, sadly, become thinner on the ground. Just look at the amount of Chinese money coming into the Midlands clubs last season.
I hope that Stanley turn Derby over next Saturday lunchtime in the Cup. I expect it will be a fairly ‘robust’ affair and I doubt that Coleman will be borrowing Bielsa’s dossier. It’s the live match on BT, so a great profile raiser and financial earner for the club.
However, Holt employs the coaches who utilise these tactics. If i owned a company and some of my employees caused embarassment/wrongdoing then i would want some explaining.
Shouldnt laugh but after the supporter accidently kicks Bielik in the nuts, Bauer looks at Bielik on the floor, then scans his eyes around obviously quizically thinking 'what the fuck has happened there?'
Another anecdote from yesterday, was after the pen went in and Grant peeled off to the corner, Cullen giving it large to one of their players at the edge of the box.
As I said above Accrington are a tiny club with tiny resources but it seems quite likely they will escape relegation. The clubs that should be embarrassed are Plymouth and Bradford whose average crowds couldn’t fit in Accrington’s ground.
Being a 'tiny club' doesnt give them the licence to deploy the tactics that they clearly used yesterday.
Given that the referee, who is in charge of behaviour on the field only sent one of their players off together with one of ours, it apparently does.
A great event put on by the trust. Talking to Andy Holt I was amazed he runs the club at break even on gates averaging 2,800. Their top paid players are on 1200. Their players did lose it at the end but it is up to the officials to deal with that. He also said they gave every 8 year old kid in the town a free home and away shirt. They have performed miracles to get where they are so hats off to them.
Just listened to the interviews. Really impressive from Wedgie Addick
But was it Phil Parry who says at the end: "that was Accrington owner Andy Holt speaking to the Crystal Palace Supporters Trust" ?
Is there some legal redress we can claim for this or was Louis wearing his Palace top again?
Yes, gutted by that. Clearly Parry associates Louis with the Eagles. Doubt they're too chuffed to find out they were hosting Accrington. In this parallel universe, does that mean Charlton were away at Anfield?
I was there - thanks to the Trust for putting on a well-organised event. I agree with all the comments about Andy Holt being an engaging and honest owner. He made good sense when talking about smaller clubs, whose only option is to grow gradually, season by season. He said a couple of times that his job is to ensure Stanley are still around in 50 years rather than pushing for a fast expansion the current fan-base would not be able to support. His initiative to spend £25,000 on shirts for every local 8 year old was inspired. He wants local kids to support Stanley first and a bigger club second, if at all. That approach will eventually work I'm sure and I hope he sticks with it because chairmen willing to have a long-term view are in short supply.
He made several good points about finances and his on-going feud with Gary Neville, who he feels is distorting non-League football by injecting so much money into Salford. I agree with him that at some point football in this country will need to impose financial operating caps that are strictly enforced on each division. Otherwise the gap between each division will simply be too large for teams to cope with a promotion. He said that if Stanley were to get to the Championship, he'd buy a set of deckchairs for the board to watch the game from. What he meant was that they wouldn't worry about the team getting spanked every week and relegated again - his view is that the longer term benefit would outweigh one season of pain. A very different view to that of fans, but it fits in with his build-slowly mantra.
His motivation to take over Stanley was to give something back to the community that had raised him and worked for him. He seemed to me to be a little bemused we were complaining about having a billionaire owner but I think it all came down to him comparing his motivation with their's. He asked us to question why an Australian or American consortium would be interested in getting involved with a London sports club.
And that's where I felt his views diverged from our own, because we've survived and even thrived at the top level, which is why the current ownership's idea we should have been grateful seeing the Premier League's stars of the future was so contentious. We know that the Charlton of the 1940s laid the foundations for the team to be considered an upper-Div 2 / Championship team at the very least, witht periods in the top division as well. This is what Charlton have shown they are capable of, with support being built up from beyond the boundaries of Charlton and Greenwich, despite there being other clubs people can choose to support.
So, I went to the event hoping for some answers from Andy about how Charlton could be better run going forward. But I came away thinking he was perhaps looking on Charlton as an example of how a team from a small London village could build over time to be the sort of club he wants Stanley to be.
Anyway, he seems a genuine bloke doing things the right way for his club. In my view he deserves all the plaudits he receives for that, but I just hope we don't have to share a division with them again for a long while.
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
The culture of an organisation is determined by the board and the actions of management. Culture eats strategy for breakfast as they say, and to differentiate between a board and the actual delivery lacks credibility. Plausible deniability is no defence, especially with a hierarchy as small as an EFL football club.
In contrast, the reason that our club has turned a corner is that we have the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jacko and Avory running the show instead of Meire, Fraeye and Driesen. It has taken a few transfer windows but our head of recruitment and our academy manager have at long last put things straight.
To suggest that the filthiest team to appear at the Valley in a long long time is nothing to do with the owner because the owner fits your world view lacks credibility and understanding. Some might use the term "apologist" but theres no requirement for name calling.
Some took the very same stance when AFC Wimbledon fans abused KR and their steward screamed unacceptable rubbish at him. Bottom line is that you're either a Charlton fan backing Bow and the lads or you're on the sidelines supporting some other model, somebody else. Of course one can complicate matters with all manner of layers but you either wanting us to climb the table or not.
Bullshit excuses for our opponents tends to fall into the latter camp. This wasnt just a few late tackles. It was their players stamping on ours - including an incident in the first half when one of theirs put his boot on Cullen's head when it would have been easier to avoid him.
Fortunately most Charlton fans see a team winning games and climbing the table and so an additional two thousand showed up yesterday compared to the pre- Christmas norm of 9,500 home fans. And we have sold out the away end at Peterborough because of the vibe around the place.
As others have posted, to be awarded a penalty so late in the game against that scummy side and then convert it was sweet. Add the fact that some of the top five dropped points was all the better. But their owner will back their manager and assistant and interpret the game through their lens, blaming officials and Taylor.
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
The culture of an organisation is determined by the board and the actions of management. Culture eats strategy for breakfast as they say, and to differentiate between a board and the actual delivery lacks credibility. Plausible deniability is no defence, especially with a hierarchy as small as an EFL football club.
In contrast, the reason that our club has turned a corner is that we have the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jacko and Avory running the show instead of Meire, Fraeye and Driesen. It has taken a few transfer windows but our head of recruitment and our academy manager have at long last put things straight.
To suggest that the filthiest team to appear at the Valley in a long long time is nothing to do with the owner because the owner fits your world view lacks credibility and understanding. Some might use the term "apologist" but theres no requirement for name calling.
Some took the very same stance when AFC Wimbledon fans abused KR and their steward screamed unacceptable rubbish at him. Bottom line is that you're either a Charlton fan backing Bow and the lads or you're on the sidelines supporting some other model, somebody else. Of course one can complicate matters with all manner of layers but you either wanting us to climb the table or not.
Bullshit excuses for our opponents tends to fall into the latter camp. This wasnt just a few late tackles. It was their players stamping on ours - including an incident in the first half when one of theirs put his boot on Cullen's head when it would have been easier to avoid him.
Fortunately most Charlton fans see a team winning games and climbing the table and so an additional two thousand showed up yesterday compared to the pre- Christmas norm of 9,500 home fans. And we have sold out the away end at Peterborough because of the vibe around the place.
As others have posted, to be awarded a penalty so late in the game against that scummy side and then convert it was sweet. Add the fact that some of the top five dropped points was all the better. But their owner will back their manager and assistant and interpret the game through their lens, blaming officials and Taylor.
I have no intention of being rude, and it may well be my fault, but I can’t quite fathom out the point you are making.
However, Holt employs the coaches who utilise these tactics. If i owned a company and some of my employees caused embarassment/wrongdoing then i would want some explaining.
Shouldnt laugh but after the supporter accidently kicks Bielik in the nuts, Bauer looks at Bielik on the floor, then scans his eyes around obviously quizically thinking 'what the fuck has happened there?'
Another anecdote from yesterday, was after the pen went in and Grant peeled off to the corner, Cullen giving it large to one of their players at the edge of the box.
As I said above Accrington are a tiny club with tiny resources but it seems quite likely they will escape relegation. The clubs that should be embarrassed are Plymouth and Bradford whose average crowds couldn’t fit in Accrington’s ground.
Accrington is a small town of about 30,000, close to both Burnley and Blackburn.
Plymouth is a large city of 250,000, and Bradford has a population of half a million. Of course they will attract bigger crowds than Accrington.
Good to see the upstairs at the White Swan open and busy, the open fires were lit and although I’m told the chimneys have recently been swept I reckon they need to look at that again. New manager Danny seemed like a very decent bloke and has a lot of ideas of how to make the pub even better. Pleasing to see that the feedback in Charlton Life around shifting the bar stools and the tables just in front of the bar had been immediately acted upon.
Andy Holt is a proper bloke. He said he has had a few businesses, most have failed. A couple of small ones do ok but he had one big success.
His view was that he uses the people of Accrington Stanley in his business, the infrastructure of the town and all this has made him fairly well off.
He didn’t aim to be a football club owner, he got into it because he had sponsored a few sports in the town to give something back and Accrington Stanley ended up being one of them.
Then if he had t put a bit more in, the club would have folded. He wasn’t prepared to let that happen.
It’s still a small club with average gates around 2,500 but he doesn’t care: no ambition to be anything other than a community club, to do as well as possible within a budget.
He was very scathing about chancers, gamblers and punters getting into football ownership. Why would anyone want to own more than one club? If people are investing in a club just with the possibility of turning a profit how good are they for the soul of the club.
He thinks football in this country is probably irredeemably fucked. The top 6 premiership teams leaving could be OK but dent think fan ownership/involvement on the scale as say Vermany is any longer likely. If it were to ever happen would need government legislation as the league organisers (PL, EFL) and the clubs they represent will never vote for it voluntarily.
Heather’s pork pie was fantastic and can he have some more of that and another beer
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
The culture of an organisation is determined by the board and the actions of management. Culture eats strategy for breakfast as they say, and to differentiate between a board and the actual delivery lacks credibility. Plausible deniability is no defence, especially with a hierarchy as small as an EFL football club.
In contrast, the reason that our club has turned a corner is that we have the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jacko and Avory running the show instead of Meire, Fraeye and Driesen. It has taken a few transfer windows but our head of recruitment and our academy manager have at long last put things straight.
To suggest that the filthiest team to appear at the Valley in a long long time is nothing to do with the owner because the owner fits your world view lacks credibility and understanding. Some might use the term "apologist" but theres no requirement for name calling.
Some took the very same stance when AFC Wimbledon fans abused KR and their steward screamed unacceptable rubbish at him. Bottom line is that you're either a Charlton fan backing Bow and the lads or you're on the sidelines supporting some other model, somebody else. Of course one can complicate matters with all manner of layers but you either wanting us to climb the table or not.
Bullshit excuses for our opponents tends to fall into the latter camp. This wasnt just a few late tackles. It was their players stamping on ours - including an incident in the first half when one of theirs put his boot on Cullen's head when it would have been easier to avoid him.
Fortunately most Charlton fans see a team winning games and climbing the table and so an additional two thousand showed up yesterday compared to the pre- Christmas norm of 9,500 home fans. And we have sold out the away end at Peterborough because of the vibe around the place.
As others have posted, to be awarded a penalty so late in the game against that scummy side and then convert it was sweet. Add the fact that some of the top five dropped points was all the better. But their owner will back their manager and assistant and interpret the game through their lens, blaming officials and Taylor.
I have no intention of being rude, and it may well be my fault, but I can’t quite fathom out the point you are making.
I thinks he's saying the way AS players conducted themselves is the owner's fault and the fact CAFC are doing well atm is because of the virtues of our owner. Further, I think he's saying that if you disagree then you're not a real fan
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
The culture of an organisation is determined by the board and the actions of management. Culture eats strategy for breakfast as they say, and to differentiate between a board and the actual delivery lacks credibility. Plausible deniability is no defence, especially with a hierarchy as small as an EFL football club.
In contrast, the reason that our club has turned a corner is that we have the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jacko and Avory running the show instead of Meire, Fraeye and Driesen. It has taken a few transfer windows but our head of recruitment and our academy manager have at long last put things straight.
To suggest that the filthiest team to appear at the Valley in a long long time is nothing to do with the owner because the owner fits your world view lacks credibility and understanding. Some might use the term "apologist" but theres no requirement for name calling.
Some took the very same stance when AFC Wimbledon fans abused KR and their steward screamed unacceptable rubbish at him. Bottom line is that you're either a Charlton fan backing Bow and the lads or you're on the sidelines supporting some other model, somebody else. Of course one can complicate matters with all manner of layers but you either wanting us to climb the table or not.
Bullshit excuses for our opponents tends to fall into the latter camp. This wasnt just a few late tackles. It was their players stamping on ours - including an incident in the first half when one of theirs put his boot on Cullen's head when it would have been easier to avoid him.
Fortunately most Charlton fans see a team winning games and climbing the table and so an additional two thousand showed up yesterday compared to the pre- Christmas norm of 9,500 home fans. And we have sold out the away end at Peterborough because of the vibe around the place.
As others have posted, to be awarded a penalty so late in the game against that scummy side and then convert it was sweet. Add the fact that some of the top five dropped points was all the better. But their owner will back their manager and assistant and interpret the game through their lens, blaming officials and Taylor.
I have no intention of being rude, and it may well be my fault, but I can’t quite fathom out the point you are making.
I thinks he's saying the way AS players conducted themselves is the owner's fault and the fact CAFC are doing well atm is because of the virtues of our owner. Further, I think he's saying that if you disagree then you're not a real fan
Accrington is a small town of about 30,000, close to both Burnley and Blackburn.
Plymouth is a large city of 250,000, and Bradford has a population of half a million. Of course they will attract bigger crowds than Accrington.
I think you have missed my point.
I know where Accrington is and it’s size relative to Bradford and Plymouth. Bradford and Plymouth get bigger crowds and have much bigger resources than Accrington but are currently well below them in the table.
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
The culture of an organisation is determined by the board and the actions of management. Culture eats strategy for breakfast as they say, and to differentiate between a board and the actual delivery lacks credibility. Plausible deniability is no defence, especially with a hierarchy as small as an EFL football club.
In contrast, the reason that our club has turned a corner is that we have the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jacko and Avory running the show instead of Meire, Fraeye and Driesen. It has taken a few transfer windows but our head of recruitment and our academy manager have at long last put things straight.
To suggest that the filthiest team to appear at the Valley in a long long time is nothing to do with the owner because the owner fits your world view lacks credibility and understanding. Some might use the term "apologist" but theres no requirement for name calling.
Some took the very same stance when AFC Wimbledon fans abused KR and their steward screamed unacceptable rubbish at him. Bottom line is that you're either a Charlton fan backing Bow and the lads or you're on the sidelines supporting some other model, somebody else. Of course one can complicate matters with all manner of layers but you either wanting us to climb the table or not.
Bullshit excuses for our opponents tends to fall into the latter camp. This wasnt just a few late tackles. It was their players stamping on ours - including an incident in the first half when one of theirs put his boot on Cullen's head when it would have been easier to avoid him.
Fortunately most Charlton fans see a team winning games and climbing the table and so an additional two thousand showed up yesterday compared to the pre- Christmas norm of 9,500 home fans. And we have sold out the away end at Peterborough because of the vibe around the place.
As others have posted, to be awarded a penalty so late in the game against that scummy side and then convert it was sweet. Add the fact that some of the top five dropped points was all the better. But their owner will back their manager and assistant and interpret the game through their lens, blaming officials and Taylor.
I have no intention of being rude, and it may well be my fault, but I can’t quite fathom out the point you are making.
I thinks he's saying the way AS players conducted themselves is the owner's fault and the fact CAFC are doing well atm is because of the virtues of our owner. Further, I think he's saying that if you disagree then you're not a real fan
Thank you!
Perhaps not so black and white that the owner is responsible for everything but one certainly cannot completely separate the board / owner from events on the pitch. Dirty Leeds and Don Revie didn't kick their way through the 70s without board approval!
And to add that the simplest thing today is to back Bow and the lads, especially when opponents are stamping on them! We need that 100% support home and away so backing other club owners is at best a distraction and at worst divisive.
As Cruyff (and Bowyer) said football is a simple game but hard to play simply. Perhaps one might extend that to supporting our club? So why not keep things simple and support the lads in our promotion push. Then there's no room for misinterpretation.
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
The culture of an organisation is determined by the board and the actions of management. Culture eats strategy for breakfast as they say, and to differentiate between a board and the actual delivery lacks credibility. Plausible deniability is no defence, especially with a hierarchy as small as an EFL football club.
In contrast, the reason that our club has turned a corner is that we have the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jacko and Avory running the show instead of Meire, Fraeye and Driesen. It has taken a few transfer windows but our head of recruitment and our academy manager have at long last put things straight.
To suggest that the filthiest team to appear at the Valley in a long long time is nothing to do with the owner because the owner fits your world view lacks credibility and understanding. Some might use the term "apologist" but theres no requirement for name calling.
Some took the very same stance when AFC Wimbledon fans abused KR and their steward screamed unacceptable rubbish at him. Bottom line is that you're either a Charlton fan backing Bow and the lads or you're on the sidelines supporting some other model, somebody else. Of course one can complicate matters with all manner of layers but you either wanting us to climb the table or not.
Bullshit excuses for our opponents tends to fall into the latter camp. This wasnt just a few late tackles. It was their players stamping on ours - including an incident in the first half when one of theirs put his boot on Cullen's head when it would have been easier to avoid him.
Fortunately most Charlton fans see a team winning games and climbing the table and so an additional two thousand showed up yesterday compared to the pre- Christmas norm of 9,500 home fans. And we have sold out the away end at Peterborough because of the vibe around the place.
As others have posted, to be awarded a penalty so late in the game against that scummy side and then convert it was sweet. Add the fact that some of the top five dropped points was all the better. But their owner will back their manager and assistant and interpret the game through their lens, blaming officials and Taylor.
I have no intention of being rude, and it may well be my fault, but I can’t quite fathom out the point you are making.
I thinks he's saying the way AS players conducted themselves is the owner's fault and the fact CAFC are doing well atm is because of the virtues of our owner. Further, I think he's saying that if you disagree then you're not a real fan
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
The culture of an organisation is determined by the board and the actions of management. Culture eats strategy for breakfast as they say, and to differentiate between a board and the actual delivery lacks credibility. Plausible deniability is no defence, especially with a hierarchy as small as an EFL football club.
In contrast, the reason that our club has turned a corner is that we have the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jacko and Avory running the show instead of Meire, Fraeye and Driesen. It has taken a few transfer windows but our head of recruitment and our academy manager have at long last put things straight.
To suggest that the filthiest team to appear at the Valley in a long long time is nothing to do with the owner because the owner fits your world view lacks credibility and understanding. Some might use the term "apologist" but theres no requirement for name calling.
Some took the very same stance when AFC Wimbledon fans abused KR and their steward screamed unacceptable rubbish at him. Bottom line is that you're either a Charlton fan backing Bow and the lads or you're on the sidelines supporting some other model, somebody else. Of course one can complicate matters with all manner of layers but you either wanting us to climb the table or not.
Bullshit excuses for our opponents tends to fall into the latter camp. This wasnt just a few late tackles. It was their players stamping on ours - including an incident in the first half when one of theirs put his boot on Cullen's head when it would have been easier to avoid him.
Fortunately most Charlton fans see a team winning games and climbing the table and so an additional two thousand showed up yesterday compared to the pre- Christmas norm of 9,500 home fans. And we have sold out the away end at Peterborough because of the vibe around the place.
As others have posted, to be awarded a penalty so late in the game against that scummy side and then convert it was sweet. Add the fact that some of the top five dropped points was all the better. But their owner will back their manager and assistant and interpret the game through their lens, blaming officials and Taylor.
I have no intention of being rude, and it may well be my fault, but I can’t quite fathom out the point you are making.
I thinks he's saying the way AS players conducted themselves is the owner's fault and the fact CAFC are doing well atm is because of the virtues of our owner. Further, I think he's saying that if you disagree then you're not a real fan
Thank you!
Perhaps not so black and white that the owner is responsible for everything but one certainly cannot completely separate the board / owner from events on the pitch. Dirty Leeds and Don Revie didn't kick their way through the 70s without board approval!
And to add that the simplest thing today is to back Bow and the lads, especially when opponents are stamping on them! We need that 100% support home and away so backing other club owners is at best a distraction and at worst divisive.
As Cruyff (and Bowyer) said football is a simple game but hard to play simply. Perhaps one might extend that to supporting our club? So why not keep things simple and support the lads in our promotion push. Then there's no room for misinterpretation.
Can't work out if you're digging out the trust or just Charlton fans in general. Maybe take Cruyff's advice and keep it simple.
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
The culture of an organisation is determined by the board and the actions of management. Culture eats strategy for breakfast as they say, and to differentiate between a board and the actual delivery lacks credibility. Plausible deniability is no defence, especially with a hierarchy as small as an EFL football club.
In contrast, the reason that our club has turned a corner is that we have the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jacko and Avory running the show instead of Meire, Fraeye and Driesen. It has taken a few transfer windows but our head of recruitment and our academy manager have at long last put things straight.
To suggest that the filthiest team to appear at the Valley in a long long time is nothing to do with the owner because the owner fits your world view lacks credibility and understanding. Some might use the term "apologist" but theres no requirement for name calling.
Some took the very same stance when AFC Wimbledon fans abused KR and their steward screamed unacceptable rubbish at him. Bottom line is that you're either a Charlton fan backing Bow and the lads or you're on the sidelines supporting some other model, somebody else. Of course one can complicate matters with all manner of layers but you either wanting us to climb the table or not.
Bullshit excuses for our opponents tends to fall into the latter camp. This wasnt just a few late tackles. It was their players stamping on ours - including an incident in the first half when one of theirs put his boot on Cullen's head when it would have been easier to avoid him.
Fortunately most Charlton fans see a team winning games and climbing the table and so an additional two thousand showed up yesterday compared to the pre- Christmas norm of 9,500 home fans. And we have sold out the away end at Peterborough because of the vibe around the place.
As others have posted, to be awarded a penalty so late in the game against that scummy side and then convert it was sweet. Add the fact that some of the top five dropped points was all the better. But their owner will back their manager and assistant and interpret the game through their lens, blaming officials and Taylor.
I have no intention of being rude, and it may well be my fault, but I can’t quite fathom out the point you are making.
I thinks he's saying the way AS players conducted themselves is the owner's fault and the fact CAFC are doing well atm is because of the virtues of our owner. Further, I think he's saying that if you disagree then you're not a real fan
Thank you!
Perhaps not so black and white that the owner is responsible for everything but one certainly cannot completely separate the board / owner from events on the pitch. Dirty Leeds and Don Revie didn't kick their way through the 70s without board approval!
And to add that the simplest thing today is to back Bow and the lads, especially when opponents are stamping on them! We need that 100% support home and away so backing other club owners is at best a distraction and at worst divisive.
As Cruyff (and Bowyer) said football is a simple game but hard to play simply. Perhaps one might extend that to supporting our club? So why not keep things simple and support the lads in our promotion push. Then there's no room for misinterpretation.
Can't work out if you're digging out the trust or just Charlton fans in general. Maybe take Cruyff's advice and keep it simple.
Cruyff was famous for his turns, a bit like a certain poster on this thread.
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
The culture of an organisation is determined by the board and the actions of management. Culture eats strategy for breakfast as they say, and to differentiate between a board and the actual delivery lacks credibility. Plausible deniability is no defence, especially with a hierarchy as small as an EFL football club.
In contrast, the reason that our club has turned a corner is that we have the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jacko and Avory running the show instead of Meire, Fraeye and Driesen. It has taken a few transfer windows but our head of recruitment and our academy manager have at long last put things straight.
To suggest that the filthiest team to appear at the Valley in a long long time is nothing to do with the owner because the owner fits your world view lacks credibility and understanding. Some might use the term "apologist" but theres no requirement for name calling.
Some took the very same stance when AFC Wimbledon fans abused KR and their steward screamed unacceptable rubbish at him. Bottom line is that you're either a Charlton fan backing Bow and the lads or you're on the sidelines supporting some other model, somebody else. Of course one can complicate matters with all manner of layers but you either wanting us to climb the table or not.
Bullshit excuses for our opponents tends to fall into the latter camp. This wasnt just a few late tackles. It was their players stamping on ours - including an incident in the first half when one of theirs put his boot on Cullen's head when it would have been easier to avoid him.
Fortunately most Charlton fans see a team winning games and climbing the table and so an additional two thousand showed up yesterday compared to the pre- Christmas norm of 9,500 home fans. And we have sold out the away end at Peterborough because of the vibe around the place.
As others have posted, to be awarded a penalty so late in the game against that scummy side and then convert it was sweet. Add the fact that some of the top five dropped points was all the better. But their owner will back their manager and assistant and interpret the game through their lens, blaming officials and Taylor.
I have no intention of being rude, and it may well be my fault, but I can’t quite fathom out the point you are making.
I thinks he's saying the way AS players conducted themselves is the owner's fault and the fact CAFC are doing well atm is because of the virtues of our owner. Further, I think he's saying that if you disagree then you're not a real fan
Thank you!
Perhaps not so black and white that the owner is responsible for everything but one certainly cannot completely separate the board / owner from events on the pitch. Dirty Leeds and Don Revie didn't kick their way through the 70s without board approval!
And to add that the simplest thing today is to back Bow and the lads, especially when opponents are stamping on them! We need that 100% support home and away so backing other club owners is at best a distraction and at worst divisive.
As Cruyff (and Bowyer) said football is a simple game but hard to play simply. Perhaps one might extend that to supporting our club? So why not keep things simple and support the lads in our promotion push. Then there's no room for misinterpretation.
Can't work out if you're digging out the trust or just Charlton fans in general. Maybe take Cruyff's advice and keep it simple.
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
The culture of an organisation is determined by the board and the actions of management. Culture eats strategy for breakfast as they say, and to differentiate between a board and the actual delivery lacks credibility. Plausible deniability is no defence, especially with a hierarchy as small as an EFL football club.
In contrast, the reason that our club has turned a corner is that we have the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jacko and Avory running the show instead of Meire, Fraeye and Driesen. It has taken a few transfer windows but our head of recruitment and our academy manager have at long last put things straight.
To suggest that the filthiest team to appear at the Valley in a long long time is nothing to do with the owner because the owner fits your world view lacks credibility and understanding. Some might use the term "apologist" but theres no requirement for name calling.
Some took the very same stance when AFC Wimbledon fans abused KR and their steward screamed unacceptable rubbish at him. Bottom line is that you're either a Charlton fan backing Bow and the lads or you're on the sidelines supporting some other model, somebody else. Of course one can complicate matters with all manner of layers but you either wanting us to climb the table or not.
Bullshit excuses for our opponents tends to fall into the latter camp. This wasnt just a few late tackles. It was their players stamping on ours - including an incident in the first half when one of theirs put his boot on Cullen's head when it would have been easier to avoid him.
Fortunately most Charlton fans see a team winning games and climbing the table and so an additional two thousand showed up yesterday compared to the pre- Christmas norm of 9,500 home fans. And we have sold out the away end at Peterborough because of the vibe around the place.
As others have posted, to be awarded a penalty so late in the game against that scummy side and then convert it was sweet. Add the fact that some of the top five dropped points was all the better. But their owner will back their manager and assistant and interpret the game through their lens, blaming officials and Taylor.
I have no intention of being rude, and it may well be my fault, but I can’t quite fathom out the point you are making.
I thinks he's saying the way AS players conducted themselves is the owner's fault and the fact CAFC are doing well atm is because of the virtues of our owner. Further, I think he's saying that if you disagree then you're not a real fan
Thank you!
Perhaps not so black and white that the owner is responsible for everything but one certainly cannot completely separate the board / owner from events on the pitch. Dirty Leeds and Don Revie didn't kick their way through the 70s without board approval!
And to add that the simplest thing today is to back Bow and the lads, especially when opponents are stamping on them! We need that 100% support home and away so backing other club owners is at best a distraction and at worst divisive.
As Cruyff (and Bowyer) said football is a simple game but hard to play simply. Perhaps one might extend that to supporting our club? So why not keep things simple and support the lads in our promotion push. Then there's no room for misinterpretation.
I know people who went to school with his kids up here and I've always heard he's a really good bloke and what he's done and continues to do for Accrington is brilliant. Made his money selling Wham boxes would you believe.
I know people who went to school with his kids up here and I've always heard he's a really good bloke and what he's done and continues to do for Accrington is brilliant. Made his money selling Wham boxes would you believe.
Would loved to have seen him after the game and asked him if he was happy with the way his team behaved today. That includes the management staff who were a disgrace too.
Very good point. Maybe someone can ask him via Twitter/Facebook etc.
perhaps it was a hard fought game and that's just what happened. I don't think tweeting him about their behaviour makes alot of sense what are you expecting him to say?
I thought their behaviour was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, so personally do think it’s worth asking. He is after all putting himself out there as some sort of expert in how to run a club and yet his team seem very unprofessional.
may I ask you if you are old enough to have been at the Battle of he Bridge, Chelsea v Charlton in 1989.? You remember Paul Miller? He was an arsehole of the first order, but he kept us up that day, and his ridiculous equaliser isn't what I'm talking about. He's a legend because of that game, as are all the players in a red shirt that day. Now ask a Chelsea fan who was there that day, what they thought.
He was signed to do a job, and he did it. And when he overstepped the mark the following season, sent off for spitting, it was Lennie who got rid.
@The_President raises the analogy of a company boss, but a top boss also delegates to senior managers the responsibility for employees that SM has selected. So that means the buck stops with Accy's manager.
And we all know who Accrington's manager is.
I got the manager wrong, I thought it was Joey Barton!!!
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Andy Holt is a hugely admirable and engaging bloke, although I fear that, with the amount of money sloshing around in the top two divisions, this sort of emotionally engaged, local owner is largely a thing of the past. There are one or two people like Steve Gibson around but they are few and far between and, sadly, become thinner on the ground. Just look at the amount of Chinese money coming into the Midlands clubs last season.
I hope that Stanley turn Derby over next Saturday lunchtime in the Cup. I expect it will be a fairly ‘robust’ affair and I doubt that Coleman will be borrowing Bielsa’s dossier. It’s the live match on BT, so a great profile raiser and financial earner for the club.
But was it Phil Parry who says at the end: "that was Accrington owner Andy Holt speaking to the Crystal Palace Supporters Trust" ?
Is there some legal redress we can claim for this or was Louis wearing his Palace top again?
He made several good points about finances and his on-going feud with Gary Neville, who he feels is distorting non-League football by injecting so much money into Salford. I agree with him that at some point football in this country will need to impose financial operating caps that are strictly enforced on each division. Otherwise the gap between each division will simply be too large for teams to cope with a promotion. He said that if Stanley were to get to the Championship, he'd buy a set of deckchairs for the board to watch the game from. What he meant was that they wouldn't worry about the team getting spanked every week and relegated again - his view is that the longer term benefit would outweigh one season of pain. A very different view to that of fans, but it fits in with his build-slowly mantra.
His motivation to take over Stanley was to give something back to the community that had raised him and worked for him. He seemed to me to be a little bemused we were complaining about having a billionaire owner but I think it all came down to him comparing his motivation with their's. He asked us to question why an Australian or American consortium would be interested in getting involved with a London sports club.
And that's where I felt his views diverged from our own, because we've survived and even thrived at the top level, which is why the current ownership's idea we should have been grateful seeing the Premier League's stars of the future was so contentious. We know that the Charlton of the 1940s laid the foundations for the team to be considered an upper-Div 2 / Championship team at the very least, witht periods in the top division as well. This is what Charlton have shown they are capable of, with support being built up from beyond the boundaries of Charlton and Greenwich, despite there being other clubs people can choose to support.
So, I went to the event hoping for some answers from Andy about how Charlton could be better run going forward. But I came away thinking he was perhaps looking on Charlton as an example of how a team from a small London village could build over time to be the sort of club he wants Stanley to be.
Anyway, he seems a genuine bloke doing things the right way for his club. In my view he deserves all the plaudits he receives for that, but I just hope we don't have to share a division with them again for a long while.
In contrast, the reason that our club has turned a corner is that we have the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jacko and Avory running the show instead of Meire, Fraeye and Driesen. It has taken a few transfer windows but our head of recruitment and our academy manager have at long last put things straight.
To suggest that the filthiest team to appear at the Valley in a long long time is nothing to do with the owner because the owner fits your world view lacks credibility and understanding. Some might use the term "apologist" but theres no requirement for name calling.
Some took the very same stance when AFC Wimbledon fans abused KR and their steward screamed unacceptable rubbish at him. Bottom line is that you're either a Charlton fan backing Bow and the lads or you're on the sidelines supporting some other model, somebody else. Of course one can complicate matters with all manner of layers but you either wanting us to climb the table or not.
Bullshit excuses for our opponents tends to fall into the latter camp. This wasnt just a few late tackles. It was their players stamping on ours - including an incident in the first half when one of theirs put his boot on Cullen's head when it would have been easier to avoid him.
Fortunately most Charlton fans see a team winning games and climbing the table and so an additional two thousand showed up yesterday compared to the pre- Christmas norm of 9,500 home fans. And we have sold out the away end at Peterborough because of the vibe around the place.
As others have posted, to be awarded a penalty so late in the game against that scummy side and then convert it was sweet. Add the fact that some of the top five dropped points was all the better. But their owner will back their manager and assistant and interpret the game through their lens, blaming officials and Taylor.
Plymouth is a large city of 250,000, and Bradford has a population of half a million.
Of course they will attract bigger crowds than Accrington.
Good to see the upstairs at the White Swan open and busy, the open fires were lit and although I’m told the chimneys have recently been swept I reckon they need to look at that again. New manager Danny seemed like a very decent bloke and has a lot of ideas of how to make the pub even better. Pleasing to see that the feedback in Charlton Life around shifting the bar stools and the tables just in front of the bar had been immediately acted upon.
Andy Holt is a proper bloke. He said he has had a few businesses, most have failed. A couple of small ones do ok but he had one big success.
His view was that he uses the people of Accrington Stanley in his business, the infrastructure of the town and all this has made him fairly well off.
He didn’t aim to be a football club owner, he got into it because he had sponsored a few sports in the town to give something back and Accrington Stanley ended up being one of them.
Then if he had t put a bit more in, the club would have folded. He wasn’t prepared to let that happen.
It’s still a small club with average gates around 2,500 but he doesn’t care: no ambition to be anything other than a community club, to do as well as possible within a budget.
He was very scathing about chancers, gamblers and punters getting into football ownership. Why would anyone want to own more than one club? If people are investing in a club just with the possibility of turning a profit how good are they for the soul of the club.
He thinks football in this country is probably irredeemably fucked. The top 6 premiership teams leaving could be OK but dent think fan ownership/involvement on the scale as say Vermany is any longer likely. If it were to ever happen would need government legislation as the league organisers (PL, EFL) and the clubs they represent will never vote for it voluntarily.
Heather’s pork pie was fantastic and can he have some more of that and another beer
Accrington is a small town of about 30,000, close to both Burnley and Blackburn.
Plymouth is a large city of 250,000, and Bradford has a population of half a million.
Of course they will attract bigger crowds than Accrington.
I think you have missed my point.
I know where Accrington is and it’s size relative to Bradford and Plymouth. Bradford and Plymouth get bigger crowds and have much bigger resources than Accrington but are currently well below them in the table.
Perhaps not so black and white that the owner is responsible for everything but one certainly cannot completely separate the board / owner from events on the pitch. Dirty Leeds and Don Revie didn't kick their way through the 70s without board approval!
And to add that the simplest thing today is to back Bow and the lads, especially when opponents are stamping on them! We need that 100% support home and away so backing other club owners is at best a distraction and at worst divisive.
As Cruyff (and Bowyer) said football is a simple game but hard to play simply. Perhaps one might extend that to supporting our club? So why not keep things simple and support the lads in our promotion push. Then there's no room for misinterpretation.
And nothing to do with George Michael and Andrew Ridgely - or even West Ham.