1. What do you want for Charlton? Is it more. If we win or ....HOW we win? What is more important?
The absolute ideal is to be a fan-run club that is hugely successful. Next best is to be owned by a rich supporter who does things the right way and brings us success.
The next best is to be owned by someone we like/ respect and keeps us competitive.
Even if we stay third tier for a long time, I would prefer that if we like our owner, manager, players etc. rather than be owned by an Emirate state or the Saudis. If that happened, I would go watch my local non-league team instead.
2. What has been your top 3 best moments of being a Charlton fan. From your perspective. No one else's. The happiest you have ever felt...the best moment....while watching Charlton?
A. Staying behind after the play-off final with dad. We were among the last few people to leave our seats. Standing in shock, pride and unbridled happiness.
B. Walking to the Valley on the way to the Portsmouth game in 92.
C. I want to choose the Leeds play-off final but I only saw it on video a few weeks later, I wasn't there. So I would pick a win over a big team - beating United at Selhurst, Keith Jones' winner against Liverpool, one of our many wins against Spurs in the prem. 2-4 at Highbury... they're all equal.
But maybe I'd go for Jacko's winner against QPR, it's my last memory of being utterly happy at the Valley with @March51.
3. Has football lost its Soul? Or is it in decline?
It has for me, but I was told to expect that as I got older. That it's part of growing up. Other priorities and such. How much Roland has had to do with it, or how much March51 passing has dampened my spirits, or various other personal tragedies or whatever - it's hard to be objective on this question.
I think the answer is probably yes. I think the richer clubs get, the more international audiences are treated as a priority, the further we tend to get from our clubs.
I see Americans on Reddit referring to Chelsea or Liverpool as 'we' and shake my head. We? WE? How can you get a sense of belonging from seeing a team on TV and buying a membership card like it's the fucking Beano? Who on Earth do you think you are to treat yourself as equal to someone who trudges through rain and snow to spend money watching a 0-0 draw in the freezing cold? Someone who actively makes a noise to affect the players and the game?
Having spent a lot of time looking at the amateur game over the last couple of months, I am beginning to wonder if that passion is thriving at lower levels. Everyone I have spoken to so far is more interested in their own team's success than the team they support. They get more pleasure from scoring or managing a team that scores a goal than when their team of choice does.
Fantasy Football and betting is keeping people interested in Prem football, but I think it's superficial. It's not the passion I was familiar with in 2001.
Also, the pseudo-science of football isn't helping. I think that's coming from the US too. XG can fuck off. Jamie Carragher can fuck off. Pundits pausing to stare into the middle distance after being asked "can Liverpool win the title" can fuck off.
I don't think football is in decline. I think generations are passionate at different times and about different things. What many of us loved about football still exists, it might just not be at the top level any more.
1. What do you want for Charlton? Is it more. If we win or ....HOW we win? What is more important?
I always want us to win, however I'm realistic and as long as the players give it their all and compete I won't be unhappy
2. What has been your top 3 best moments of being a Charlton fan. From your perspective. No one else's. The happiest you have ever felt...the best moment....while watching Charlton?
1 Play off final 1998 2 Beating millwall home and away in the 95/96 season 3 Relegating palace
3. Has football lost its Soul? Or is it in decline?
Yes, it is no longer then hand if the working class male. I fully accept that society has moved on however the plastic armchair expert sky have created anger me.
Tackling is almost outlawed now, and tackling is as bigger art of the game as sliding a pass between a full back and centre half for a channel runner to get on the end of
I could actually talk for hours about how sterile football is now, how money has all but killed football ambition for 99% of clubs, how swearing is tutted at, and how shitarses like duchatalot can do what they are doing to us with absolute impunity because all he needs to keep his life protest-free is a handful of decent results a few times a season
Good post and echoes pretty much exactly what I would have said
1. Just about the winning for me (and bragging rights) - the Accrington game was shocking for 90 mins but I was buzzing for days after that last minute goal.
2. Sunderland play off final, Dennis in the last minute, Lisbie late goal at Chelsea.
Proper , proper away size followings . Packed to the rafters , bouncing , singing , atmosphere not reliant on a decent run of results and closish proximity of the fixture Us turning up with 2k of fans rather than 200 to a northern outpost leeds when they were shit still had superb numbers
The question was what makes fans happy, not what gives OohAhh a raging hard-on.
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The absolute ideal is to be a fan-run club that is hugely successful. Next best is to be owned by a rich supporter who does things the right way and brings us success.
The next best is to be owned by someone we like/ respect and keeps us competitive.
Even if we stay third tier for a long time, I would prefer that if we like our owner, manager, players etc. rather than be owned by an Emirate state or the Saudis. If that happened, I would go watch my local non-league team instead.
2. What has been your top 3 best moments of being a Charlton fan. From your perspective. No one else's. The happiest you have ever felt...the best moment....while watching Charlton?
A. Staying behind after the play-off final with dad. We were among the last few people to leave our seats. Standing in shock, pride and unbridled happiness.
B. Walking to the Valley on the way to the Portsmouth game in 92.
C. I want to choose the Leeds play-off final but I only saw it on video a few weeks later, I wasn't there. So I would pick a win over a big team - beating United at Selhurst, Keith Jones' winner against Liverpool, one of our many wins against Spurs in the prem. 2-4 at Highbury... they're all equal.
But maybe I'd go for Jacko's winner against QPR, it's my last memory of being utterly happy at the Valley with @March51.
3. Has football lost its Soul? Or is it in decline?
It has for me, but I was told to expect that as I got older. That it's part of growing up. Other priorities and such. How much Roland has had to do with it, or how much March51 passing has dampened my spirits, or various other personal tragedies or whatever - it's hard to be objective on this question.
I think the answer is probably yes. I think the richer clubs get, the more international audiences are treated as a priority, the further we tend to get from our clubs.
I see Americans on Reddit referring to Chelsea or Liverpool as 'we' and shake my head. We? WE? How can you get a sense of belonging from seeing a team on TV and buying a membership card like it's the fucking Beano? Who on Earth do you think you are to treat yourself as equal to someone who trudges through rain and snow to spend money watching a 0-0 draw in the freezing cold? Someone who actively makes a noise to affect the players and the game?
Having spent a lot of time looking at the amateur game over the last couple of months, I am beginning to wonder if that passion is thriving at lower levels. Everyone I have spoken to so far is more interested in their own team's success than the team they support. They get more pleasure from scoring or managing a team that scores a goal than when their team of choice does.
Fantasy Football and betting is keeping people interested in Prem football, but I think it's superficial. It's not the passion I was familiar with in 2001.
Also, the pseudo-science of football isn't helping. I think that's coming from the US too. XG can fuck off. Jamie Carragher can fuck off. Pundits pausing to stare into the middle distance after being asked "can Liverpool win the title" can fuck off.
I don't think football is in decline. I think generations are passionate at different times and about different things. What many of us loved about football still exists, it might just not be at the top level any more.
If the nigels or millwall went bankrupt...
2. Sunderland play off final, Dennis in the last minute, Lisbie late goal at Chelsea.
3. Has lost its soul.