Why would it stop you attending? What are you doing that you dont want caught?
Personally I am all for it and it would help to find and ban twats I:E people who throw things and those twats who think smoke bombs are a good idea(1 set of i covered end at the pompy game the row behind me by kids, smoke went straight into @kellycafc who is asthmatic) also some twat in the covered end thinks its a good idea every game around the 60 minute mark to start smoking so it would stop that as well
I’m boycotting, my old seat is empty......not much happening.....unless they’ve got a camera at Greenie Towers watching me watching Jeff on Sky......hang on a minute.......what if they have?
Those saying "I don't care if they violate my privacy; I've got nothing to hide" are misunderstanding the fundamental nature of human rights. Nobody needs to justify why they "need" a right: the burden of justification falls on the one seeking to infringe upon the right. But even if they did, you can't give away the rights of others because they're not useful to you. More simply, the majority cannot vote away the natural rights of the minority.
Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
You only have to worry if you’re going something wrong .
Oh really? I used to think the same.
But who gets to decide if you’re doing “something wrong” then. The police? Because they’ve got a great track record with football fans haven’t they. The club? I bet our friend Katrien would’ve loved something like that.
The problem with with this sort of thing is that it erodes people’s basic rights and is a further step on a slippery slope.
if there is a specific problem area then fine, film that area to collect evidence. But routinely filming everyone in the ground all the time is a step too far for me.
Good idea . People trot out the 1984 nonsense but if it eliminates the morons it’s a great thing .
You only have to worry if you’re going something wrong .
What, like protesting against the owner? Throwing a small plastic pig onto the pitch? Holding a flag from North Korea?
The problem with this approach of "let's film everyone then we can get them later" is much the same as the general "let's have CCTV everywhere and catch the murderers later". It's far better to prevent trouble and bad behaviour than to deal with it later, though it may well be more expensive. It also abdicates responsibility for dealing with match-day issues to an algorithm reading the CCTV feed much later rather than proper stewarding. It will lead either to sterile atmospheres or future disasters. Neither are a good thing IMO
Good idea . People trot out the 1984 nonsense but if it eliminates the morons it’s a great thing .
You only have to worry if you’re going something wrong .
What, like protesting against the owner? Throwing a small plastic pig onto the pitch? Holding a flag from North Korea?
The problem with this approach of "let's film everyone then we can get them later" is much the same as the general "let's have CCTV everywhere and catch the murderers later". It's far better to prevent trouble and bad behaviour than to deal with it later, though it may well be more expensive. It also abdicates responsibility for dealing with match-day issues to an algorithm reading the CCTV feed much later rather than proper stewarding. It will lead either to sterile atmospheres or future disasters. Neither are a good thing IMO
I believe we have had this system at the Valley for 2 or 3 years now.
I've not seen any evidence of it leading to a sterile atmosphere or a disaster.
When we go into the ground we are on private property and accept as a condition of entry the ground regulations which include filming.
I protested, as did many others. Thankfully no one spotted me dragging the sofa onto the pitch : -
Good idea . People trot out the 1984 nonsense but if it eliminates the morons it’s a great thing .
You only have to worry if you’re going something wrong .
What, like protesting against the owner? Throwing a small plastic pig onto the pitch? Holding a flag from North Korea?
The problem with this approach of "let's film everyone then we can get them later" is much the same as the general "let's have CCTV everywhere and catch the murderers later". It's far better to prevent trouble and bad behaviour than to deal with it later, though it may well be more expensive. It also abdicates responsibility for dealing with match-day issues to an algorithm reading the CCTV feed much later rather than proper stewarding. It will lead either to sterile atmospheres or future disasters. Neither are a good thing IMO
I believe we have had this system at the Valley for 2 or 3 years now.
I've not seen any evidence of it leading to a sterile atmosphere or a disaster.
When we go into the ground we are on private property and accept as a condition of entry the ground regulations which include filming.
I protested, as did many others. Thankfully no one spotted me dragging the sofa onto the pitch : -
Anyone have Tone's email address so I can report this heinous crime
Good idea . People trot out the 1984 nonsense but if it eliminates the morons it’s a great thing .
You only have to worry if you’re going something wrong .
What, like protesting against the owner? Throwing a small plastic pig onto the pitch? Holding a flag from North Korea?
The problem with this approach of "let's film everyone then we can get them later" is much the same as the general "let's have CCTV everywhere and catch the murderers later". It's far better to prevent trouble and bad behaviour than to deal with it later, though it may well be more expensive. It also abdicates responsibility for dealing with match-day issues to an algorithm reading the CCTV feed much later rather than proper stewarding. It will lead either to sterile atmospheres or future disasters. Neither are a good thing IMO
I believe we have had this system at the Valley for 2 or 3 years now.
I've not seen any evidence of it leading to a sterile atmosphere or a disaster.
When we go into the ground we are on private property and accept as a condition of entry the ground regulations which include filming.
I protested, as did many others. Thankfully no one spotted me dragging the sofa onto the pitch : -
Anyone have Tone's email address so I can report this heinous crime
Don't worry, some other grass (yes, you John Commerford) has already done it.
Good idea . People trot out the 1984 nonsense but if it eliminates the morons it’s a great thing .
You only have to worry if you’re going something wrong .
What, like protesting against the owner? Throwing a small plastic pig onto the pitch? Holding a flag from North Korea?
The problem with this approach of "let's film everyone then we can get them later" is much the same as the general "let's have CCTV everywhere and catch the murderers later". It's far better to prevent trouble and bad behaviour than to deal with it later, though it may well be more expensive. It also abdicates responsibility for dealing with match-day issues to an algorithm reading the CCTV feed much later rather than proper stewarding. It will lead either to sterile atmospheres or future disasters. Neither are a good thing IMO
I believe we have had this system at the Valley for 2 or 3 years now.
I've not seen any evidence of it leading to a sterile atmosphere or a disaster.
When we go into the ground we are on private property and accept as a condition of entry the ground regulations which include filming.
I protested, as did many others. Thankfully no one spotted me dragging the sofa onto the pitch : -
Good idea . People trot out the 1984 nonsense but if it eliminates the morons it’s a great thing .
You only have to worry if you’re going something wrong .
What, like protesting against the owner? Throwing a small plastic pig onto the pitch? Holding a flag from North Korea?
The problem with this approach of "let's film everyone then we can get them later" is much the same as the general "let's have CCTV everywhere and catch the murderers later". It's far better to prevent trouble and bad behaviour than to deal with it later, though it may well be more expensive. It also abdicates responsibility for dealing with match-day issues to an algorithm reading the CCTV feed much later rather than proper stewarding. It will lead either to sterile atmospheres or future disasters. Neither are a good thing IMO
I believe we have had this system at the Valley for 2 or 3 years now.
I've not seen any evidence of it leading to a sterile atmosphere or a disaster.
When we go into the ground we are on private property and accept as a condition of entry the ground regulations which include filming.
I protested, as did many others. Thankfully no one spotted me dragging the sofa onto the pitch : -
Anyone have Tone's email address so I can report this heinous crime
Don't worry, some other grass (yes, you John Commerford) has already done it.
TBF I don't think you needed grassing up, half the bloody stadium cheered watched as you did it Ben - Oh shit.. have I given your secret identity away?
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What are you doing that you dont want caught?
Personally I am all for it and it would help to find and ban twats I:E people who throw things and those twats who think smoke bombs are a good idea(1 set of i covered end at the pompy game the row behind me by kids, smoke went straight into @kellycafc who is asthmatic) also some twat in the covered end thinks its a good idea every game around the 60 minute mark to start smoking so it would stop that as well
If you're not breaking the law, what's the problem?
As long as they don't put cameras in the bogs.
I don't want to be filmed smoking my half time cigarette.
With weegie on this 100%.
Those saying "I don't care if they violate my privacy; I've got nothing to hide" are misunderstanding the fundamental nature of human rights. Nobody needs to justify why they "need" a right: the burden of justification falls on the one seeking to infringe upon the right. But even if they did, you can't give away the rights of others because they're not useful to you. More simply, the majority cannot vote away the natural rights of the minority.
Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
That's to requote from https://amp.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/36ru89/just_days_left_to_kill_mass_surveillance_under/crglgh2
You only have to worry if you’re going something wrong .
But who gets to decide if you’re doing “something wrong” then. The police? Because they’ve got a great track record with football fans haven’t they. The club? I bet our friend Katrien would’ve loved something like that.
The problem with with this sort of thing is that it erodes people’s basic rights and is a further step on a slippery slope.
if there is a specific problem area then fine, film that area to collect evidence. But routinely filming everyone in the ground all the time is a step too far for me.
Its when they mess up and lose that data is when it becomes a problem
Also if that data is being stored then they need to stop using it against that person to make companies richer
The problem with this approach of "let's film everyone then we can get them later" is much the same as the general "let's have CCTV everywhere and catch the murderers later". It's far better to prevent trouble and bad behaviour than to deal with it later, though it may well be more expensive. It also abdicates responsibility for dealing with match-day issues to an algorithm reading the CCTV feed much later rather than proper stewarding. It will lead either to sterile atmospheres or future disasters. Neither are a good thing IMO
I've not seen any evidence of it leading to a sterile atmosphere or a disaster.
When we go into the ground we are on private property and accept as a condition of entry the ground regulations which include filming.
I protested, as did many others. Thankfully no one spotted me dragging the sofa onto the pitch : -