The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
I had a near encounter with him many years ago in Hickory’s (Deja Vus) i went to the bar whilst my mate went up to the VIP area with his other mate to see ‘someone’ About some money owed. When he came back down he was white as a sheet. The guy they’d been to see was KN and his henchmen had been eyeing my mate up as his friends hired muscle
Stephen Cameron was a small time drug dealer who did a job for Noye and was paid with cannabis that was not top of the range gear and no way near the price that should of been rewarded for the job done. Word got to Noye that Cameron (who was a very good kickboxer )was after him. When Noye spotted Cameron on that fateful day he did what needed to be done.
That sounds so crazy, but I know that story been doing the rounds for years. So Noye the master criminal who is worth millions decides to kill Stephen Cameron in daylight on a busy roundabout over cannabis ! and not because of his ego after being called an old Cunx. Well we know Noye likes a blade judging by the ten stab wounds in self defense on DC Fordham ! Noye must of hoped his reputation would go before him but his luck and the ability to pay, kept him out of prison for a while.
For a police informer in his early days I'm amazed how his is still with us but that's maybe because he has outlived the competition.
The incestuous relationships between the police and major criminals from the 60's to the turn of the century was shocking with many being in the same masonic lodges.
There is a hell of a lot that people don't know about this particular murder. I wish I could tell you about it. Unfortunatly never met either of them, so can't tell you fuck all. I could however, make something up if that helps?
He's done a good 'un on the parole board that's for sure. Heard on the radio that they were impressed by him & that he stopped an altercation/situation on his "floor". Sounds like Grouty to me.......
Never got my head round this guy? He had all the money and possessions you could wish for......anyone who’s seen his place at West Kingsdown will know what I mean. He somehow, very fortunately, manages to get away with various ‘bits and pieces’ shall we say, over many years and stay free........a charmed life indeed. He then kills a cop for fucks sake and gets found not guilty of murder! Once again he walks free....I mean just how lucky can you get, though admittedly there were extenuating circumstances. Despite all of that and knowing full well he has a very very short fuse, he decides to drive around with a knife (handy for use at any moment) and murders a guy in a stupid road rage incident. You’d think he would have said to himself enough is enough and I have everything I could ever wish for....Iv’e pushed my luck once too often but no, it wasn’t to be and a man sadly had to die for nothing because of it.
I've no idea whether this is the case here or not, but there's a theory (Eric Berne) that some crims get to a point where they unconsciously set out to get caught. Something about the craving for attention and there being an inner tension about being good at something - committing successful crimes - and not being able to tell anyone about it.
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
They also help some of their members get away with a lot of shit they shouldn't. Does the 'work for charidee' excuse that? No - of course it doesn't.
And no - nobody would say anything to Noye's family or friends because they'd likely get the shit kicked out of them or worse. Not sure what that has to do with anything?
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
They also help some of their members get away with a lot of shit they shouldn't. Does the 'work for charidee' excuse that? No - of course it doesn't.
And no - nobody would say anything to Noye's family or friends because they'd likely get the shit kicked out of them or worse. Not sure what that has to do with anything?
I think that might have an element of truth about in days gone by but not nowadays. I work with a couple of free masons, they say it’s all about helping your fellow man but I think they just like dressing up and belonging to an organisation that has an element of mystery about it, although not much of a mystery in today’s world. If they, (my work colleagues), are typical of masons I can see why the other year they had a recruiting stand at Charing Cross, boring as, and an ageing membership.
As for Noye and his kind, they live in a different world to normal people, in my mind the same world and level as the wannabe gangster kids.
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
He's not done his time at all, thats why he's on parole.
At what point does charitable work outweigh corruption and criminal activity?
I'm sure it's pretty obvious why some might not like badmouthing a convicted murderer to his face, doesn't alter the truth though, does it?
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
They also help some of their members get away with a lot of shit they shouldn't. Does the 'work for charidee' excuse that? No - of course it doesn't.
And no - nobody would say anything to Noye's family or friends because they'd likely get the shit kicked out of them or worse. Not sure what that has to do with anything?
There is no doubt proof that you have that fellow masons “get away with a lot of shit they shouldn’t”? If so then I am sure you would be happy to share this with us all. Why people who don’t know the full story make comments on a forum but would not say it to someone’s face, personally it’s a bit cowardly
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
He's not done his time at all, thats why he's on parole.
At what point does charitable work outweigh corruption and criminal activity?
I'm sure it's pretty obvious why some might not like badmouthing a convicted murderer to his face, doesn't alter the truth though, does it?
His time has been done as he was given a minimum of 16 years 19 years ago.
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
He's not done his time at all, thats why he's on parole.
At what point does charitable work outweigh corruption and criminal activity?
I'm sure it's pretty obvious why some might not like badmouthing a convicted murderer to his face, doesn't alter the truth though, does it?
His time has been done as he was given a minimum of 16 years 19 years ago.
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
He's not done his time at all, thats why he's on parole.
At what point does charitable work outweigh corruption and criminal activity?
I'm sure it's pretty obvious why some might not like badmouthing a convicted murderer to his face, doesn't alter the truth though, does it?
His time has been done as he was given a minimum of 16 years 19 years ago.
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
He's not done his time at all, thats why he's on parole.
At what point does charitable work outweigh corruption and criminal activity?
I'm sure it's pretty obvious why some might not like badmouthing a convicted murderer to his face, doesn't alter the truth though, does it?
His time has been done as he was given a minimum of 16 years 19 years ago.
Do you understand what “minimum” means?
Not just minimum but parole as well.
"the temporary or permanent release of a prisoner before the expiry of a sentence, on the promise of good behaviour".
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
He's not done his time at all, thats why he's on parole.
At what point does charitable work outweigh corruption and criminal activity?
I'm sure it's pretty obvious why some might not like badmouthing a convicted murderer to his face, doesn't alter the truth though, does it?
His time has been done as he was given a minimum of 16 years 19 years ago.
Do you understand what “minimum” means?
Not just minimum but parole as well.
"the temporary or permanent release of a prisoner before the expiry of a sentence, on the promise of good behaviour".
Look at what the minimum term that was handed down when sentenced and how long that has been served. The MINIMUM term was 16 years. Noye has served 19 years. He has also been on home release for the last year in which as the press has never highlighted surprisingly people have never discussed.
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
They also help some of their members get away with a lot of shit they shouldn't. Does the 'work for charidee' excuse that? No - of course it doesn't.
And no - nobody would say anything to Noye's family or friends because they'd likely get the shit kicked out of them or worse. Not sure what that has to do with anything?
There is no doubt proof that you have that fellow masons “get away with a lot of shit they shouldn’t”? If so then I am sure you would be happy to share this with us all. Why people who don’t know the full story make comments on a forum but would not say it to someone’s face, personally it’s a bit cowardly
You may well call it cowardly but realistically when would any normal person be in the company of a murder, thief, drug dealer, (that's a fair description), to be able put his or her self in position where after the insult/statement of fact know the next thing to happen will probably involve a good filleting.
Its not cowardly in my opinion, quite the opposite, I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of anyone with a track record like his or his type and certainly not just so I could tell a stranger on an internet site how brave I had been.
But if you know the full story please share it and straighten out the story line. (you could always change the names to protect the not so guilty).
Whatever the circumstances, whatever "stories" some could tell, whether he was "Good to his old Mum" or "You could leave the doors of West Kingsdown unlocked when good old Kenny was around". He murdered two people and was a drug dealer, of that there is no doubt. That's against the law.
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
He's not done his time at all, thats why he's on parole.
At what point does charitable work outweigh corruption and criminal activity?
I'm sure it's pretty obvious why some might not like badmouthing a convicted murderer to his face, doesn't alter the truth though, does it?
His time has been done as he was given a minimum of 16 years 19 years ago.
Do you understand what “minimum” means?
Not just minimum but parole as well.
"the temporary or permanent release of a prisoner before the expiry of a sentence, on the promise of good behaviour".
Look at what the minimum term that was handed down when sentenced and how long that has been served. The MINIMUM term was 16 years. Noye has served 19 years. He has also been on home release for the last year in which as the press has never highlighted surprisingly people have never discussed.
Does make me laugh......"promise of good behaviour". Sounds like something you ask your 12 year old child to do when you leave them at home whilst you pop out to the shops.
I expect they'll let him give someone a "slap" just as long as he doesn't break their legs...
I was going to say that it doesn't matter what I say on an anonymous internet forum & he doesn't know me from Adam......then realised he probably lives less than 5 miles from me seeing as I live in Swanley & I use THAT roundabout almost daily.
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
They also help some of their members get away with a lot of shit they shouldn't. Does the 'work for charidee' excuse that? No - of course it doesn't.
And no - nobody would say anything to Noye's family or friends because they'd likely get the shit kicked out of them or worse. Not sure what that has to do with anything?
There is no doubt proof that you have that fellow masons “get away with a lot of shit they shouldn’t”? If so then I am sure you would be happy to share this with us all. Why people who don’t know the full story make comments on a forum but would not say it to someone’s face, personally it’s a bit cowardly
I'm on the square, although I haven't been to a lodge meeting for years. Been through the chair three times. Haven't resigned but just lost interest. My over-riding memories of being a Mason was bricking it about all the lines I had to learn. There was absolutely zero underhand shenanigans going on.
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
They also help some of their members get away with a lot of shit they shouldn't. Does the 'work for charidee' excuse that? No - of course it doesn't.
And no - nobody would say anything to Noye's family or friends because they'd likely get the shit kicked out of them or worse. Not sure what that has to do with anything?
There is no doubt proof that you have that fellow masons “get away with a lot of shit they shouldn’t”? If so then I am sure you would be happy to share this with us all. Why people who don’t know the full story make comments on a forum but would not say it to someone’s face, personally it’s a bit cowardly
I'm on the square, although I haven't been to a lodge meeting for years. Been through the chair three times. Haven't resigned but just lost interest. My over-riding memories of being a Mason was bricking it about all the lines I had to learn. There was absolutely zero underhand shenanigans going on.
Presumably though, you're not a high-ranking copper, politician or member of the judiciary? Just because you've only seen a bunch of blokes pissing it up on weekends away, doing silly handshakes and dressing up in costumes doesn't mean that the underhanded influence of freemasonry doesn't exist. There are rules about declaring interests if you're in a position to be able to exert authority or influence over the public - for extremely good reason (think blackmail, bribery, turning a blind eye etc)
If you can't see the incompatibility between being a member of a secretive society and working at an extremely high level of public service, however, then there isn't much point discussing it further
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
They also help some of their members get away with a lot of shit they shouldn't. Does the 'work for charidee' excuse that? No - of course it doesn't.
And no - nobody would say anything to Noye's family or friends because they'd likely get the shit kicked out of them or worse. Not sure what that has to do with anything?
There is no doubt proof that you have that fellow masons “get away with a lot of shit they shouldn’t”? If so then I am sure you would be happy to share this with us all. Why people who don’t know the full story make comments on a forum but would not say it to someone’s face, personally it’s a bit cowardly
I'm on the square, although I haven't been to a lodge meeting for years. Been through the chair three times. Haven't resigned but just lost interest. My over-riding memories of being a Mason was bricking it about all the lines I had to learn. There was absolutely zero underhand shenanigans going on.
Presumably though, you're not a high-ranking copper, politician or member of the judiciary? Just because you've only seen a bunch of blokes pissing it up on weekends away, doing silly handshakes and dressing up in costumes doesn't mean that the underhanded influence of freemasonry doesn't exist. There are rules about declaring interests if you're in a position to be able to exert authority or influence over the public - for extremely good reason (think blackmail, bribery, turning a blind eye etc)
If you can't see the incompatibility between being a member of a secretive society and working at an extremely high level of public service, however, then there isn't much point discussing it further
I'm not disagreeing with you Leroy. I was just relating the dull, humdrum nature of my experience. Anyway, as I said, I lost interest and haven't attended at all in five years.
The man has done his time and there is more to it than meets the eye, wasn’t a case of road rage. Masons actually do a lot for charity and once again those slagging masons off clearly have zero knowledge. Finally those that are bad mouthing Noye would they say to him, family or friends.?
They also help some of their members get away with a lot of shit they shouldn't. Does the 'work for charidee' excuse that? No - of course it doesn't.
And no - nobody would say anything to Noye's family or friends because they'd likely get the shit kicked out of them or worse. Not sure what that has to do with anything?
There is no doubt proof that you have that fellow masons “get away with a lot of shit they shouldn’t”? If so then I am sure you would be happy to share this with us all. Why people who don’t know the full story make comments on a forum but would not say it to someone’s face, personally it’s a bit cowardly
I'm on the square, although I haven't been to a lodge meeting for years. Been through the chair three times. Haven't resigned but just lost interest. My over-riding memories of being a Mason was bricking it about all the lines I had to learn. There was absolutely zero underhand shenanigans going on.
Presumably though, you're not a high-ranking copper, politician or member of the judiciary? Just because you've only seen a bunch of blokes pissing it up on weekends away, doing silly handshakes and dressing up in costumes doesn't mean that the underhanded influence of freemasonry doesn't exist. There are rules about declaring interests if you're in a position to be able to exert authority or influence over the public - for extremely good reason (think blackmail, bribery, turning a blind eye etc)
If you can't see the incompatibility between being a member of a secretive society and working at an extremely high level of public service, however, then there isn't much point discussing it further
I'm not disagreeing with you Leroy. I was just relating the dull, humdrum nature of my experience. Anyway, as I said, I lost interest and haven't attended at all in five years.
Yeah. Tbf, I've known a few masons and they've all reported pretty much the same thing. One of them was a copper though, and he was last as f***ing sin - he used to 'impress' people with tales of being given a burglary shout, and making sure he put his blues and twos on when he was about half a mile away to give the shit heads time to scarper so he didn't have to do any, y'know, work. Guess that was nothing to do with being a Mason and more to do with being a lazy prick 😒
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i went to the bar whilst my mate went up to the VIP area with his other mate to see ‘someone’ About some money owed.
When he came back down he was white as a sheet. The guy they’d been to see was KN and his henchmen had been eyeing my mate up as his friends hired muscle
So Noye the master criminal who is worth millions decides to kill Stephen Cameron in daylight on a busy roundabout over cannabis ! and not because of his ego after being called an old Cunx.
Well we know Noye likes a blade judging by the ten stab wounds in self defense on DC Fordham !
Noye must of hoped his reputation would go before him but his luck and the ability to pay, kept him out of prison for a while.
For a police informer in his early days I'm amazed how his is still with us but that's maybe because he has outlived the competition.
The incestuous relationships between the police and major criminals from the 60's to the turn of the century was shocking with many being in the same masonic lodges.
I wish I could tell you about it.
Unfortunatly never met either of them, so can't tell you fuck all.
I could however, make something up if that helps?
Got paid in used Scottish £50 notes.
:-(
And no - nobody would say anything to Noye's family or friends because they'd likely get the shit kicked out of them or worse. Not sure what that has to do with anything?
As for Noye and his kind, they live in a different world to normal people, in my mind the same world and level as the wannabe gangster kids.
At what point does charitable work outweigh corruption and criminal activity?
I'm sure it's pretty obvious why some might not like badmouthing a convicted murderer to his face, doesn't alter the truth though, does it?
Why people who don’t know the full story make comments on a forum but would not say it to someone’s face, personally it’s a bit cowardly
2 million gallons of Iron Bru.
Oh, he is? Then his times not 'done'
"the temporary or permanent release of a prisoner before the expiry of a sentence, on the promise of good behaviour".
You may well call it cowardly but realistically when would any normal person be in the company of a murder, thief, drug dealer, (that's a fair description), to be able put his or her self in position where after the insult/statement of fact know the next thing to happen will probably involve a good filleting.
Its not cowardly in my opinion, quite the opposite, I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of anyone with a track record like his or his type and certainly not just so I could tell a stranger on an internet site how brave I had been.
But if you know the full story please share it and straighten out the story line. (you could always change the names to protect the not so guilty).
I expect they'll let him give someone a "slap" just as long as he doesn't break their legs...
I was going to say that it doesn't matter what I say on an anonymous internet forum & he doesn't know me from Adam......then realised he probably lives less than 5 miles from me seeing as I live in Swanley & I use THAT roundabout almost daily.
If you can't see the incompatibility between being a member of a secretive society and working at an extremely high level of public service, however, then there isn't much point discussing it further