Jeeesus, so depressing. How's the Protest Fund looking? Have we got enough to cover the cost of a decent hitman (and I'm not talking about a 20 goal a season striker)?
I can't be bothered to find out, but in terms of detecting a pattern of behaviour, is there usually some kind of thing (no not a takeover) happening at Charlton that follows each emergence into public by Roland Duchatelet?
Now we've got promoted, did Roland say he was going to up his game and 'up' his time dedicated to Charlton to 2.5% seeing as he spends 2% of it on talksport!
I have about as much time for Jim White as I do for Roland Duchâtelet and slightly less for the intellectual Simon Jordan.
Tossers the three of them.
He’s the only geeza talking any sense on the matter whether you like it or not, the only person to ever pushed RD directly on the whys and why nots and told him he’s wrong, delusional and dishonest.
If Roland had any idea who Jordan was or his past record in football ownership he could shut him up in an instant.
These double header red top radio shows are all a bit good cop bad cop and on to the next topic. Unless you are a Talksport listener there is little or no chance you even know the names of these people and their shows let alone Wednesday morning 11 am slot, unless of course you read on a forum like this. The world is a big place and Talksport is a very small part of it so much so they might as well be internet bloggers.
*Tuesday Morning
Thanks for that, one more day to enjoy present ownership.
Jeeesus, so depressing. How's the Protest Fund looking? Have we got enough to cover the cost of a decent hitman (and I'm not talking about a 20 goal a season striker)?
I say again.............”Who will rid me of this turbulent priest.”
I've just listened to the interview. Nothing has changed.
Roland still, after all these years, has his world ideologies and political views clouding his judgement on this.
At risk of being controversial, I have this belief that fundamentally, he's a decent man with good intentions. He wants everyone to have fun, be together, operate on "fair" terms for everyone. He's a true socialist. It's not about the result, it's about people coming together. All well and good, if a bit happy-clappy-hippy-dippy.
Trouble is, that's not the world of competitive sport. Quite the opposite, arguably.
It's tribal.
We WANT to beat the other team. We don't expect to win the Premier League any time soon, but we want to believe that one day, it could happen. We want to believe we are working towards that, and be the next Leicester.
That's why people buy clubs, Roland. That's why they throw stupid money at it. It's a badge of honour, a status symbol, a point of pride. Anyone who gets involved in this game should know that, and be willing to pay the (literal) price.
Roland, you can't come back with the argument "It would all be fine if everyone just chilled out and played by the same rules as me" because that's not the point of owning a competitive football club.
This game isn't for you, Roland. Your attempts to change it are well-intentioned, and admirable. They're also delusional.
You want that sense of community in sports? Go fund several grass-roots teams and have them compete in your own "competition". You have the finances. Then everyone back to yours for dancing, huh?
Please, accept that you aren't going to be the agent of change that you seem to think everyone wants, sell the club to the next chancer, and be done with it. You have no moral obligation for our future.
The EFL might not be sustainable, but that's not your problem either.
When it all goes wrong, you can stand back and say "I told you so."
I've just listened to the interview. Nothing has changed.
Roland still, after all these years, has his world ideologies and political views clouding his judgement on this.
At risk of being controversial, I have this belief that fundamentally, he's a decent man with good intentions. He wants everyone to have fun, be together, operate on "fair" terms for everyone. He's a true socialist. It's not about the result, it's about people coming together. All well and good, if a bit happy-clappy-hippy-dippy.
Trouble is, that's not the world of competitive sport. Quite the opposite, arguably.
It's tribal.
We WANT to beat the other team. We don't expect to win the Premier League any time soon, but we want to believe that one day, it could happen. We want to believe we are working towards that, and be the next Leicester.
That's why people buy clubs, Roland. That's why they throw stupid money at it. It's a badge of honour, a status symbol, a point of pride. Anyone who gets involved in this game should know that, and be willing to pay the (literal) price.
Roland, you can't come back with the argument "It would all be fine if everyone just chilled out and played by the same rules as me" because that's not the point of owning a competitive football club.
This game isn't for you, Roland. Your attempts to change it are well-intentioned, and admirable. They're also delusional.
You want that sense of community in sports? Go fund several grass-roots teams and have them compete in your own "competition". You have the finances. Then everyone back to yours for dancing, huh?
Please, accept that you aren't going to be the agent of change that you seem to think everyone wants, sell the club to the next chancer, and be done with it. You have no moral obligation for our future.
The EFL might not be sustainable, but that's not your problem either.
When it all goes wrong, you can stand back and say "I told you so."
He correctly said that the EFL is not fit for purpose. He blamed them for his predicament, in as much as when he bought CAFC, Championships clubs could lose £6M a season and this was to work towards zero losses in the next few years.
The EFL then amended the rules in the opposite direction, saying Championship clubs can lose £13M a season and I believe £45M over 3 seasons.
RD says the EFL manipulated the vote as clubs were made to vote 3 times (to get the right answer). IIRC the clubs voted in favour, because the Premier League threatened to pay them less if they refused.
RD is telling a half truth imo, in that it is these losses preventing the sale of CAFC. I believe he has a point in as much as maybe someone would be willing to pay a higher price for the club if they could compete in The Championship without losing much money (as was the plan when he bought).
However, he can't get his price because a new owner as yet won't pay the price he wants, plus pay for the clubs losses in order to compete.
So like I say he is telling half the story, but glossing over the fact that to get out he must reduce his asking price.
I genuinely believe listening to that interview he is very keen to sell, but only at his price. Therefore, he will attempt to operate at break even until a buyer comes along with the price he wants.
Although....far away from what we want to hear and RD also told his usual 5-10 lies within the conversation.
It was a good discussion and, after having listened to it, Jim White was at least ok.
Simon Jordan is and was the only person in the room that actually spoke with any kind of genuine honest and caring integrity.
No, the club probably won't be sold anytime soon.
Roland's ego and financial lust will always stop any progress for a sale to go through.
Roland is Charlton Athletics greatest virus...
But at least we can narrow things down a bit more now.
All this moaning....it is not stuff that paying fans or "customers" should have to hear about.
Being a Charlton Supporter....as great as it can be....can cost a lot of money for a general member of the public. We pay our money due to emotional attachment and a competitive nature.
Roland.... A mega rich wankers problem....should not be our problem.
But it is our problem...as we constantly have to hear about it.
We are just football fans that love our club and we have our own problems!
He correctly said that the EFL is not fit for purpose. He blamed them for his predicament, in as much as when he bought CAFC, Championships clubs could lose £6M a season and this was to work towards zero losses in the next few years.
The EFL then amended the rules in the opposite direction, saying Championship clubs can lose £13M a season and I believe £45M over 3 seasons.
RD says the EFL manipulated the vote as clubs were made to vote 3 times (to get the right answer). IIRC the clubs voted in favour, because the Premier League threatened to pay them less if they refused.
RD is telling a half truth imo, in that it is these losses preventing the sale of CAFC. I believe he has a point in as much as maybe someone would be willing to pay a higher price for the club if they could compete in The Championship without losing much money (as was the plan when he bought).
However, he can't get his price because a new owner as yet won't pay the price he wants, plus pay for the clubs losses in order to compete.
So like I say he is telling half the story, but glossing over the fact that to get out he must reduce his asking price.
I genuinely believe listening to that interview he is very keen to sell, but only at his price. Therefore, he will attempt to operate at break even until a buyer comes along with the price he wants.
It isn’t truthful to claim that because clubs on average lose £15m that he is forced to lose £15m. As was pointed out, it’s an average and there will be outliers at either end of the scale. The fact he is aiming to break even makes exactly that point.
Everything he ever says is rooted in blaming other people for his own stubborn stupidity. He’s lost £10m a year for five years because he pissed half of it up the wall by employing incompetent managers and Meire. Nobody is to blame for that but him.
He correctly said that the EFL is not fit for purpose. He blamed them for his predicament, in as much as when he bought CAFC, Championships clubs could lose £6M a season and this was to work towards zero losses in the next few years.
The EFL then amended the rules in the opposite direction, saying Championship clubs can lose £13M a season and I believe £45M over 3 seasons.
RD says the EFL manipulated the vote as clubs were made to vote 3 times (to get the right answer). IIRC the clubs voted in favour, because the Premier League threatened to pay them less if they refused.
RD is telling a half truth imo, in that it is these losses preventing the sale of CAFC. I believe he has a point in as much as maybe someone would be willing to pay a higher price for the club if they could compete in The Championship without losing much money (as was the plan when he bought).
However, he can't get his price because a new owner as yet won't pay the price he wants, plus pay for the clubs losses in order to compete.
So like I say he is telling half the story, but glossing over the fact that to get out he must reduce his asking price.
I genuinely believe listening to that interview he is very keen to sell, but only at his price. Therefore, he will attempt to operate at break even until a buyer comes along with the price he wants.
It isn’t truthful to claim that because clubs on average lose £15m that he is forced to lose £15m. As was pointed out, it’s an average and there will be outliers at either end of the scale. The fact he is aiming to break even makes exactly that point.
Everything he ever says is rooted in blaming other people for his own stubborn stupidity. He’s lost £10m a year for five years because he pissed half of it up the wall by employing incompetent managers and Meire. Nobody is to blame for that but him.
Yes we know this. But as you, I & most would agree. If he runs us at break even & chooses not to compete financially with the others, the most likely outcome is relegation.
Jeeesus, so depressing. How's the Protest Fund looking? Have we got enough to cover the cost of a decent hitman (and I'm not talking about a 20 goal a season striker)?
The other thing is that the FFP rules were changed 3 or 4 years ago now. Yet he still hasn't sold the club.. IF they were the problem he should have put the club up for sale as soon as the change came in.
The EFL is an easy excuse for his poor management and desperation to blame everything on anyone but himself and his incompetent lackies.
Just listened, the Rat is so far from reality. I hope the EFLs solicitors we’re listening, he made some very dodgy accusations. This season is going to be a Laugh! FFS!
The other thing is that the FFP rules were changed 3 or 4 years ago now. Yet he still hasn't sold the club.. IF they were the problem he should have put the club up for sale as soon as the change came in.
The EFL is an easy excuse for his poor management and desperation to blame everything on anyone but himself and his incompetent lackies.
It was still Meire's toy at the time. I think he was prompted to sell by Meire leaving.
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Edit: I checked, yes. 22 million.
Nobody surprised that price is clearly the issue.
He fails every time, but it doesn't stop him from trying
Roland, what would you say to someone wanting to buy a football club today?
Answer: Don't buy it!
FFS, wanker
From the horse's mouth (urgh, those teeth again!) this time, not even filtered through LdT ......
Roland still, after all these years, has his world ideologies and political views clouding his judgement on this.
At risk of being controversial, I have this belief that fundamentally, he's a decent man with good intentions. He wants everyone to have fun, be together, operate on "fair" terms for everyone. He's a true socialist. It's not about the result, it's about people coming together. All well and good, if a bit happy-clappy-hippy-dippy.
Trouble is, that's not the world of competitive sport. Quite the opposite, arguably.
It's tribal.
We WANT to beat the other team. We don't expect to win the Premier League any time soon, but we want to believe that one day, it could happen. We want to believe we are working towards that, and be the next Leicester.
That's why people buy clubs, Roland. That's why they throw stupid money at it. It's a badge of honour, a status symbol, a point of pride. Anyone who gets involved in this game should know that, and be willing to pay the (literal) price.
Roland, you can't come back with the argument "It would all be fine if everyone just chilled out and played by the same rules as me" because that's not the point of owning a competitive football club.
This game isn't for you, Roland. Your attempts to change it are well-intentioned, and admirable. They're also delusional.
You want that sense of community in sports? Go fund several grass-roots teams and have them compete in your own "competition". You have the finances. Then everyone back to yours for dancing, huh?
Please, accept that you aren't going to be the agent of change that you seem to think everyone wants, sell the club to the next chancer, and be done with it. You have no moral obligation for our future.
The EFL might not be sustainable, but that's not your problem either.
When it all goes wrong, you can stand back and say "I told you so."
And we won't care.
Perfectly put.
RD spoke more sense than usual.
He correctly said that the EFL is not fit for purpose.
He blamed them for his predicament, in as much as when he bought CAFC, Championships clubs could lose £6M a season and this was to work towards zero losses in the next few years.
The EFL then amended the rules in the opposite direction, saying Championship clubs can lose £13M a season and I believe £45M over 3 seasons.
RD says the EFL manipulated the vote as clubs were made to vote 3 times (to get the right answer).
IIRC the clubs voted in favour, because the Premier League threatened to pay them less if they refused.
RD is telling a half truth imo, in that it is these losses preventing the sale of CAFC.
I believe he has a point in as much as maybe someone would be willing to pay a higher price for the club if they could compete in The Championship without losing much money (as was the plan when he bought).
However, he can't get his price because a new owner as yet won't pay the price he wants, plus pay for the clubs losses in order to compete.
So like I say he is telling half the story, but glossing over the fact that to get out he must reduce his asking price.
I genuinely believe listening to that interview he is very keen to sell, but only at his price.
Therefore, he will attempt to operate at break even until a buyer comes along with the price he wants.
It was a good discussion and, after having listened to it, Jim White was at least ok.
Simon Jordan is and was the only person in the room that actually spoke with any kind of genuine honest and caring integrity.
No, the club probably won't be sold anytime soon.
Roland's ego and financial lust will always stop any progress for a sale to go through.
Roland is Charlton Athletics greatest virus...
But at least we can narrow things down a bit more now.
All this moaning....it is not stuff that paying fans or "customers" should have to hear about.
Being a Charlton Supporter....as great as it can be....can cost a lot of money for a general member of the public. We pay our money due to emotional attachment and a competitive nature.
Roland.... A mega rich wankers problem....should not be our problem.
But it is our problem...as we constantly have to hear about it.
We are just football fans that love our club and we have our own problems!
Everything he ever says is rooted in blaming other people for his own stubborn stupidity. He’s lost £10m a year for five years because he pissed half of it up the wall by employing incompetent managers and Meire. Nobody is to blame for that but him.
But as you, I & most would agree.
If he runs us at break even & chooses not to compete financially with the others, the most likely outcome is relegation.
The EFL is an easy excuse for his poor management and desperation to blame everything on anyone but himself and his incompetent lackies.
I hope the EFLs solicitors we’re listening, he made some very dodgy accusations.
This season is going to be a Laugh!
FFS!
"At least in league 1 and 2 you don't lose as much money".
"Then the fans just hate you"
Might need to work on your sales pitch Roland....if you do actually want to sell the club.
I don't think you would very good at a commission based sales job.
Lord Sugar would also find your wealth....to be quite the suprise!
I think he was prompted to sell by Meire leaving.