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Tom Lockyer - now a Pirate (p27)
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Wasn't today a clash of heads instead of the previous issue?0
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I don't know the cause, but it is reported as a cardiac arrest.0
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Oh Ok. I read it was a head injuryCovered End said:I don't know the cause, but it is reported as a cardiac arrest.0 -
Bedsaddick said:
Oh Ok. I read it was a head injuryCovered End said:I don't know the cause, but it is reported as a cardiac arrest.
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Oh Shit. Sadly that's probably the end of his career.1
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The prompt treatment saved his life. Cardiac arrests are often fatal.Bedsaddick said:Oh Shit. Sadly that's probably the end of his career.8 -
Probably but thankfully he is alive and that’s all that matters.Bedsaddick said:Oh Shit. Sadly that's probably the end of his career.8 -
Nice lad, decent player, wish him a speedy recovery.10
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Got to wish him all the best hope he pulls through2
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Hoping he recovers physically, but mentally it would be difficult for him to go back out and play again, I doubt he could believe that it would not occur again. best wishes to him and his family.Davo55 said:Just hoping he's alright. His career has to be in question but his health and his family have to be the priority.0 -
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Desperately sad news. Hopefully he'll make a full recovery, but sadly that must be it in terms of playing.1
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Christian Eriksen's recovery from a similar condition and his ongoing high level career must hold out some hope for Lockyer. Fingers crossed that there's a similar medical solution for Tom.1
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He's already had surgery for atrial fibrillation after his collapse in May. The cardiac arrest today must spell the end of his career.SantaClaus said:Christian Eriksen's recovery from a similar condition and his ongoing high level career must hold out some hope for Lockyer. Fingers crossed that there's a similar medical solution for Tom.6 -
Thinking of Tom & his family at this time.
We can but hope he makes a full recovery , albeit that his career in football could be sadly at an end.
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When he had his first collapse, the subsequent surgery was described by Tom as a relatively minor one for something that wasn't, according to him, "not deemed to be life threatening" even at the time of his collapse on the pitch by the medical team treating him at the time. He said later "there’s not really any reason to say why that happened, but I’ve had the operation to fix it and it shouldn’t happen again".hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
He's already had surgery for atrial fibrillation after his collapse in May. The cardiac arrest today must spell the end of his career.SantaClaus said:Christian Eriksen's recovery from a similar condition and his ongoing high level career must hold out some hope for Lockyer. Fingers crossed that there's a similar medical solution for Tom.
Today's episode seems somewhat different as Tom suffered a cardiac arrest. I told the story on one of the other threads of a young cricketing friend of my sons who collapsed last year out walking in Australia. Like Tom today, he went into cardiac arrest and was extremely lucky to survive and only because there so happened to be a medical team in the vicinity. He was put into an induced coma but the hospital really wasn't sure what the state of play would be when he was brought out of that. Thankfully, he was remarkably well when he came round but, like Eriksen, he had an Implantable cardioverter-defibrillator (ICD) fitted that has allowed him to carry on playing sport. Eriksen was the first and only PL player to play with a de-fib.
Sadly, I do think that this will mark the end of Tom's career if only for the fact that he must, himself, decide if he wants to carry on even if this can be corrected with an ICD or otherwise. He's had one diagnosis, an operation and all the numerous tests but they have been proven not to eradicate the issue. Only Tom can decide, even if given the "all clear", if he really wants to risk putting himself and his family in the same awful position once again. Fabrice Muamba talked about the psychological affects of such an incident and that has to be a massive driver in Tom's decision.
Tom's first step, however, as we all keep stressing, will be for him to get back to some semblance of normality and we can only wish him all the very best with that.
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We all have to be thankful he is alive and there is no reason not to be confident he will have a long life. Maybe playing football is over for him, we can't know that, but if it is, he will have options within the game I am sure.4
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As a sufferer of AF myself for the last 9 yrs, I don't think Tom will, sadly, be allowed (or maybe even want) to play high level football again. There are different forms/severity of AF, mine has been managed over the years by medication and 2 'cardioversions', Tom's must be more severe I would guess. I wish him a full recovery and perhaps a career in coaching, I don't think playing again should be an option, but I'm sure his cardiology team will advise accordingly. Good luck Tom, my prayers and thoughts are with you this morning x12
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Very best wishes to Tom and his family. This is a matter close to my heart (no pun intended). As I understand it the collapse Lockyer suffered in the play off final was due to an arrhythmia problem, atrial fibrillation. This was subsequently treated, most likely with a procedure called an ablation where the cells which are causing the misfires are burnt away. Yesterday Tom suffered a cardiac arrest, ventricular fibrillation, where the heart is unable to pump blood around the body. Having survived this the treatment in almost all is to have an IED fitted, which is a defibrillator fitted in the chest that will shock the heart back into rhythm if this happens again. Both Christian Erickson and Charlie Wyke play with these devices having both previously had cardiac arrests. It is therefore not inconceivable that Tom might return with a device fitted, but it will depend on any other medical treatment he requires and him and his families thoughts on the matter and the psychological impact from both events.
This next bit is important to everyone so I’m putting it in bold. Learn CPR it’s not hard to do and you cannot do harm by doing it. If everyone in the UK who had a cardiac arrest each year who could survive did they would fill the Valley, those that actually do wouldn’t fill the Jimmy Seed stand. Anyone could have a cardiac arrest at anytime and the only way they will survive is if someone around them acts quickly.
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Interesting hearing Fabrice Muamba talk about players returning to play. He made the point that nothing will be risk free and that players should consider their family as well as the desire to return to the game.
As @Gary Poole says the survival rate should be much higher for cardiac arrests - CPR and defibrillators can save lives.0 -
When I did my First Aid training they said survival from a drop in the street and CPR/ resus attempt is approx 1%hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
The prompt treatment saved his life. Cardiac arrests are often fatal.Bedsaddick said:Oh Shit. Sadly that's probably the end of his career.0 -
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They were incorrect, survival rates for out of hospital cardiac arrests in the UK are around 10% that number could go up to 50% if rapid CPR and defibrillation is employed. CPR is very unluckily to get the person out of cardiac arrest, but it will buy time by pumping the blood around the body until a defibrillator and other interventions such as adrenaline can be deployed.The Prince-e-Paul said:
When I did my First Aid training they said survival from a drop in the street and CPR/ resus attempt is approx 1%hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
The prompt treatment saved his life. Cardiac arrests are often fatal.Bedsaddick said:Oh Shit. Sadly that's probably the end of his career.7 -
Also find out where your local difibrilators are available, you might be surprised and it could save someone's life -Gary Poole said:Very best wishes to Tom and his family. This is a matter close to my heart (no pun intended). As I understand it the collapse Lockyer suffered in the play off final was due to an arrhythmia problem, atrial fibrillation. This was subsequently treated, most likely with a procedure called an ablation where the cells which are causing the misfires are burnt away. Yesterday Tom suffered a cardiac arrest, ventricular fibrillation, where the heart is unable to pump blood around the body. Having survived this the treatment in almost all is to have an IED fitted, which is a defibrillator fitted in the chest that will shock the heart back into rhythm if this happens again. Both Christian Erickson and Charlie Wyke play with these devices having both previously had cardiac arrests. It is therefore not inconceivable that Tom might return with a device fitted, but it will depend on any other medical treatment he requires and him and his families thoughts on the matter and the psychological impact from both events.
This next bit is important to everyone so I’m putting it in bold. Learn CPR it’s not hard to do and you cannot do harm by doing it. If everyone in the UK who had a cardiac arrest each year who could survive did they would fill the Valley, those that actually do wouldn’t fill the Jimmy Seed stand. Anyone could have a cardiac arrest at anytime and the only way they will survive is if someone around them acts quickly.
https://www.defibfinder.uk/
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he recently spent a long time on the ground during a (televised) recent Luton game for unexplained reasons. With the play off experience and this latest episode, surely his football career must be over. Always wholehearted and fiery, Luton will miss him3
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Learn CPR in 15 minutes using our free tool, RevivR. All you need is a smartphone and a cushion: https://revivr.bhf.org.uk from the British Heart Foundation
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I don't think any club could risk playing him. Life is cruel at times.0
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In our relegation season he was great. One of the players that stayed fit during an injury crisis and talking players like Vennings through the game. Loved him.Lincsaddick said:he recently spent a long time on the ground during a (televised) recent Luton game for unexplained reasons. With the play off experience and this latest episode, surely his football career must be over. Always wholehearted and fiery, Luton will miss him9 -
This might have been mentioned already .. Tom underwent heart surgery during the close season .. SURGERY, intrusive stuff .. did he come back far too soon ?0
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Danny Addick said:
In our relegation season he was great. One of the players that stayed fit during an injury crisis and talking players like Vennings through the game. Loved him.Lincsaddick said:he recently spent a long time on the ground during a (televised) recent Luton game for unexplained reasons. With the play off experience and this latest episode, surely his football career must be over. Always wholehearted and fiery, Luton will miss him
Absolutely this , I would be gutted for him if he had to retire after working his way up through the leagues with Bristol Rovers , then us and then Luton.
If he does have to retire as a result of this , like Brighton have done with Enoch Mwepu then I hope Luton can find a way to keep him around the club.2 -
im happy he managed to get to the prem and live out a childhood dream - sadly would say thats the end of pro football for him
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Danny Addick said:
In our relegation season he was great. One of the players that stayed fit during an injury crisis and talking players like Vennings through the game. Loved him.Lincsaddick said:he recently spent a long time on the ground during a (televised) recent Luton game for unexplained reasons. With the play off experience and this latest episode, surely his football career must be over. Always wholehearted and fiery, Luton will miss him
He was good , he’s massively improved. I hope he can play again0
