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paulie8290
paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
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So I just saw a fox walking through Charlton by the station and it has started a debate.

IMO Foxes are evolving to realize that we are not a threat to them, 10 years ago if a fox saw a person it would run in the other direction but thats changing.

I feel that foxes will evolve to the point they realize that we are more scared of them than they are of us, and again IMO in 10-20 years foxes could evolve to like lions and tigers.

My step mum however who feeds foxes yjat comd into here garden thinks they want to live with us and be domesticated like cats and dogs.


So where do u fall on foxes evolve to be akin to lions and tigers or be domesticated pets
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  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,827
    For fox sake. Roll on August 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    Wait... the fox started a debate?
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    I live in a rural village, can’t remember the last time I saw a fox. Now badgers, that’s a different matter entirely.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,338
    How quickly do you think "evolution" takes place? 
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    Evolution doesn't happen over a decade 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    Chizz said:
    How quickly do you think "evolution" takes place? 
    Well Morgan isnt doing too badly... He's a Fox
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    jacob_CAFC said:
    Evolution doesn't happen over a decade 
    And yet in the last 10-15 years they have evolved to not run as soon as they see a headlight or a human, who knows how far they will get in another 15-20 years
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    paulie8290 said:
    jacob_CAFC said:
    Evolution doesn't happen over a decade 
    And yet in the last 10-15 years they have evolved to not run as soon as they see a headlight or a human, who knows how far they will get in another 15-20 years
    They haven't evolved lmao, that's just learned behaviour 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,851
    Pigeons seem to have no fear of humans

    Even wood pigeons seem to ignore humans, whereas other birds are far warier
  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,827
    LargeAddick said:
    I live in a rural village, can’t remember the last time I saw a fox. Now badgers, that’s a different matter entirely.
    Yeah not seen one since leaving greater London for the sticks but seen plenty of badgers too.


    Is this really what my Saturday nights have boiled down to now ffs :- I 
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  • Jack_Charlton
    Jack_Charlton Posts: 338
    jacob_CAFC said:
    paulie8290 said:
    jacob_CAFC said:
    Evolution doesn't happen over a decade 
    And yet in the last 10-15 years they have evolved to not run as soon as they see a headlight or a human, who knows how far they will get in another 15-20 years
    They haven't evolved lmao, that's just learned behaviour 
    Hopefully they learn to use a toilet in the future and stop pissing and shitting all over my AstroTurf.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    jacob_CAFC said:
    paulie8290 said:
    jacob_CAFC said:
    Evolution doesn't happen over a decade 
    And yet in the last 10-15 years they have evolved to not run as soon as they see a headlight or a human, who knows how far they will get in another 15-20 years
    They haven't evolved lmao, that's just learned behaviour 
    I didnt go to college or uni, and i am as thick as shit and never claimed otherwise, does it really matter if i have used to wrong choice of word, it doesnt matter if its evolution or learned behaviour, the premise still remains that foxes are getting smarter and IMO will be akin to Lions and tigers and wolves at some stage
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,622
    paulie8290 said:
    jacob_CAFC said:
    paulie8290 said:
    jacob_CAFC said:
    Evolution doesn't happen over a decade 
    And yet in the last 10-15 years they have evolved to not run as soon as they see a headlight or a human, who knows how far they will get in another 15-20 years
    They haven't evolved lmao, that's just learned behaviour 
    I didnt go to college or uni, and i am as thick as shit and never claimed otherwise, does it really matter if i have used to wrong choice of word, it doesnt matter if its evolution or learned behaviour, the premise still remains that foxes are getting smarter and IMO will be akin to Lions and tigers and wolves at some stage
    Akin in what way ?
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,338
    edited June 2019
    Paulie, foxes aren't evolving at anywhere near the rate you're worried about.  Some of them have learned not to run away when they see humans.  But they're not going to learn coding, how to build artificial intelligence robots or set up their own tv stations. 

    Compared to most humans, they're still very, very dim indeed.  
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,783
    This reminds me of Karl Pilkington:
    ”If we hadn’t invented planes, maybe we’d be able to fly now.”

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rgIR7OLssbc
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,270
    They're not going to grow to be 10x the size so they aren't going to be like urban lions. They are essentially wild dogs with gingeritis, outcasts in society. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    Jack Charlton said:
    jacob_CAFC said:
    paulie8290 said:
    jacob_CAFC said:
    Evolution doesn't happen over a decade 
    And yet in the last 10-15 years they have evolved to not run as soon as they see a headlight or a human, who knows how far they will get in another 15-20 years
    They haven't evolved lmao, that's just learned behaviour 
    Hopefully they learn to use a toilet in the future and stop pissing and shitting all over my AstroTurf.
    Mate if Paulie's right, they will have eaten you in 10 years, so I wouldn't stress about your astro turf.
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,783
    killerandflash said:
    Pigeons seem to have no fear of humans

    Even wood pigeons seem to ignore humans, whereas other birds are far warier
    They’ll probably evolve into eagles.
    probably in 10-20 years.

    my Auntie Gert reckons they just want to be domesticated like parrots, so they’ll develop speech. Probably in about 6-7 years.
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,989
    Paulie, for once I think you're getting some overly harsh treatment here. 

    In answer to your question, I think they want to be domesticated. 

    My only grievance with foxes, as a former dog owner, is frequently having to drag my beloved, elegant beautiful red setter/collie cross away from a streaming pile of fox shit that she was either eating or rolling in. Fox shit is like dog heroin.

    Also, their sex noises are a bit sinister.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    MrLargo said:
    Paulie, for once I think you're getting some overly harsh treatment here. 

    In answer to your question, I think they want to be domesticated. 

    My only grievance with foxes, as a former dog owner, is frequently having to drag my beloved, elegant beautiful red setter/collie cross away from a streaming pile of fox shit that she was either eating or rolling in. Fox shit is like dog heroin.

    Also, their sex noises are a bit sinister.
    Was watching a documentry and the have very spikey penis apparently, so the sex noise is because it hurts girl foxes haha
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  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Chizz said:
    Paulie, foxes aren't evolving at anywhere near the rate you're worried about.  Some of them have learned not to run away when they see humans.  But they're not going to learn coding, how to built artificial intelligence robots or set up their own tv stations. 

    Compared to most humans, they're still very, very dim indeed.  
    Nor can Lions or Tigers but I still wouldnt want to see one down the street
  • AddickUpNorth
    AddickUpNorth Posts: 8,325
    paulie8290 said:
    MrLargo said:
    Paulie, for once I think you're getting some overly harsh treatment here. 

    In answer to your question, I think they want to be domesticated. 

    My only grievance with foxes, as a former dog owner, is frequently having to drag my beloved, elegant beautiful red setter/collie cross away from a streaming pile of fox shit that she was either eating or rolling in. Fox shit is like dog heroin.

    Also, their sex noises are a bit sinister.
    Was watching a documentry and the have very spikey penis apparently, so the sex noise is because it hurts girl foxes haha


    This thread could end up being legendary.
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,164
    killerandflash said:
    Pigeons seem to have no fear of humans

    Even wood pigeons seem to ignore humans, whereas other birds are far warier
    Does that mean they’ll evolve into Dragons in 10-15 years?
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    Definitely on #teampaulie in this thread. I want a pet fox that hunts antelope
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,149
    We need to change their diet so their shit improves its aroma 
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    edited June 2019
    paulie8290 said:
    and again IMO in 10-20 years foxes could evolve to like lions and tigers.


    Is there some kind of fox v lion beef at the moment then? I can't imagine how often they meet for this animosity to have built up though.



  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,892
    edited June 2019
    We get loads in our garden so I think we’re going to have to consider putting our house up for sale if they’re going to evolve into lions or tigers.

    i can’t have a situation whereby I’m cutting the grass or pruning the bushes in fear of being mauled by a fox.

    Think I’ll go with Foxtons estate agents.

    Thanks for the heads up @paulie8290
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,741
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    paulie8290 said:
    and again IMO in 10-20 years foxes could evolve to like lions and tigers.


    Is there some kind of fox v lion beef at the moment then? I can't imagine how often they meet for this animosity to have built up though.



    The usually have a roll around on the cobbles on the undercard of Millwall v Portsmouth 
  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,892
    MrLargo said:
    Paulie, for once I think you're getting some overly harsh treatment here. 

    In answer to your question, I think they want to be domesticated. 

    My only grievance with foxes, as a former dog owner, is frequently having to drag my beloved, elegant beautiful red setter/collie cross away from a streaming pile of fox shit that she was either eating or rolling in. Fox shit is like dog heroin.

    Also, their sex noises are a bit sinister.
    If you’re having trouble finding human partners, I sympathise but all you’re doing is speeding up the domestication process.

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