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After today, is there any chance of Duchatelet having a re-think?

Cardinal Sin
Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
edited August 2019 in General Charlton
After today's very surprising result, I find myself wondering if there is any chance that Duchatelet might just question his position on the club and perhaps a consider a change of tack. We know he wants out but it is also crystal clear now that he also wants to find a way out that saves him face by not taking an embarrassing financial loss even if that delays an eventual sale. Even he should be able to see that he has now passed the tipping point where he wants far more money than the club is worth and that the gap will only widen from here as things stand. He can hope for further windfalls from sell-on clauses or player sales but the chances of that closing the gap on the losses sufficiently to enable him to sell at a realistic price is also beyond a realistic tipping point. In the circumstances and the fact that we find ourselves a promotion away from the riches of the Premier League, I wonder if Duchatelet might give any serious thought to providing Bowyer with an investment to try and win his way out of his conundrum? It would go against everything he has done to date and he has already railed against the "financial graveyard" of the Championship but at some point he might consider just what the financial risk might be to win the big one?
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  • No
  • I'll agree with you provided he spend £5m on Cullen and £20m on Nketiah by Thursday with an additional four loan signings
  • He makes decisions like a man whose head is wedged up his own arse, so no
  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC Posts: 3,219
    No. No chance at all.  
  • No. He is likely to break even this season.
  • On a serious note I think the recent interview with Bowyer explains Roland's mind

    Bowyer has what sounds a positive phone call with Roland, puts the phone down and Roland posts the statement

    A few hours later and they speak again, everything sorted!!

    I mean WTF has gone through Roland's mind to even post that Statement when there is clearly nothing to trigger it

    Unless of course Bowyer isnt being 100% truthful himself in these interviews
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    I think your conclusion and optimisum maybe right but for the wrong reason. 

    I think Bowyer was shopping off list A at the start of the window.  Cheap players that he would want even if there was a take over.  Some that would be good squad members what ever the final result.

    List B is players he would want if there had been a take over a few weeks ago, most will have signed for other clubs.

    List C players he would go for if there was no take over.  I think we will see a few of these sign this week, maybe even some on small fees. 

    It's a fine balancing act, you can't get all your As and Cs then get in the BS. 

    We will see. 
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,484
    Surprised anyone would think he might. 
  • HarryLime
    HarryLime Posts: 1,295
    Good God No, he wont even find out the result until Lieven de Turck dials in for their telekit on Tuesday
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    There is absolutely no chance. Thank god we have Bowyer and Duchatelet had a good go at messing that up.
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  • usetobunkin
    usetobunkin Posts: 2,182
    He is not interested in Charlton Ath, as he said he spends 2% of his time worrying about us. He wants out, but wants to cover his losses, so he can say how clever he was.
    He wants to build houses at Sparrows lane and develop the Valley. He could do a deal tomorrow if he wanted too, just greedy. Typical capitalist, masquerading as a socialist!
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,242
    No chance, he refuses to learn anything resembling a lesson and is actively spiteful towards us 

    As has been said, we are very fortunate to have Lee Bowyer and very unfortunate to be owned by shitarse
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    Do you want to buy some magic beans? 
  • jac52
    jac52 Posts: 636
    If he was going to turn his disastrous reign around he would have done it after the playoffs. He's more likely to feel vindicated whilst wanking over Sheffield United.
  • johnny73
    johnny73 Posts: 4,567
    No.
    All this crap about keeping the operating costs low so that he makes the club more attractive to sell is also bull. He just doesn't want to part with a penny more than he has to.

    Since the day he owned the club it was always about selling players to make a profit. The EFL partly screwed that idea up but the total incompetence of the people put in positions of power did more damage.

    The irony is that now he won't invest he has a management team who could give him what he wants.

    Invest a couple more million a year to give us a good chance of staying in the championship. Sell on a young player or two a season and he'd make a profit every year.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,350
    The bloke is an absolute dick head, so no!
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    No.
    Roland fuck off. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited August 2019
    The irony is that you don't find managers like Bowyer every day - the same way as you don't find ones like Curbs. You support them and they give you more than you put in. With a bit of support we could be looking at promotion. Instead, we nearly lost him and only have him for a season, where clubs will really be taking notice. The blueprint to get success on a budget is always, find the right manager and support him. But give him a budget that isn't the worst in the League FFS! Help him a bit! Duchatelet has no awareness of his opportunty because whilst he must have worked out Bowyer is decent, his actions after Wembley, where he nearly lost him, shows he doesn't really get how decent.

    With a lot of managers, you give them a decent budget and they spunk it away. Bowyer is in the top 5% IMO.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    The irony is that you don't find managers like Bowyer every day - the same way as you don't find ones like Curbs. You support them and they give you more than you put in. With a bit of support we could be looking at promotion. Instead, we nearly lost him and only have him for a season, where clubs will really be taking notice. The blueprint to get success on a budget is always, find the right manager and support him. But give him a budget that isn't the worst in the League FFS! Help him a bit! Duchatelet has no awareness of his opportunty because whilst he must have worked out Bowyer is decent, his actions after Wembley, where he nearly lost him, shows he doesn't really get how decent.

    With a lot of managers, you give them a decent budget and they spunk it away. Bowyer is in the top 5% IMO.
    Sorry mate, I normally agree with you, but Derby have just spent about £10 million on a player we all wanted to sign.  To be able to compete with that isn't a "normal owner".

    Its a stupid or reckless owner.

    Murray did his bollocks on a £800,000 striker (about 2 million in today's money). How much would Mendonca go for now?  10, 15 million or more? BTW Sunderland paid less for Kevin Phillips!

    I get where RD is coming from but at the same time you can't play 9 card brag with 7 cards and he knew the rules. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited August 2019
    I'm not saying you compete with that. I'm saying you give him a budget that isn't easily the worst in the league and make it a bit easier for him. And if you work out you might have somebody a bit special, give him a little bit extra. But certainly not be reckless like Derby are. I hope it backfires for them and it has a decent chance of doing so. 

    Look at Sunderland - they have a bang average manager and spent the most in League One last season. My point, is spend much less and have a decent manager and you do better. But there are not that many managers like Bowyer in the game. And I don't think Duchatelet gets that. Maybe Dreisen hasn't told him. 
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  • No. 

    No.

    And thrice NO.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,750
    Hé has already had rethinks before. We've got an English manager, and kept him for over a year. Anything's possible with such an unpredictable person.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,616
    The only thing that Roland will be thinking about this morning after yesterday’s result will be, am I selling the club too cheaply.
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    edited August 2019
    I’ve no idea what Roland’s game is, the only way he’s going to get his overflated price is by getting us in the Premier League.

    Which is unachievable without financial backing, he’s really a bit clueless.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited August 2019
    He won't do it, but here is my free advice to Ducahtelet. If you want to make some money out of Charlton you have a chance before the transfer window closes. Bowyer is working on a few deals and if you find a bit of the Lookman money to ensure he gets them over the line, we are going to have a good season. If you don't we will ultimately struggle. I am not saying spend a lot of money, oil the wheels of a few more loans and see the results.

    Then at Christmas, extend Bowyer's contract. You listen to Driesen, and you thought you had a great plan, but football success is bought either by spending lots of money or finding a special manager. We all know, including yourself that Bowyer has been a stroke of luck, but I really think you should try to understand how good a manager Bowyer is. There are very few as good and you should build a strategy around that. Charlton did that when we stumbled, again through luck, on a man named Curbishley. He was backed, but not recklessly so. He just knew what he had to do to take the team forwards. Bowyer is a different manager but ultimately the same.

    All managers know football inside out, they know tactics, but very few. And I mean very few, have that little bit extra. Bowyers is one of those and these people can take you beyond your level based on what you spend. What do you need to do? Meet him and talk about what he needs to have a go - he will have those players lined up already and be trying to get them, and ask him what he needs to make them happen. It won't be that much and you will reap the rewards. Work with him and let the fans know you have done so. Then just focus on your other interests and let him do his stuff.

    If only Duchatelet wasn't so stupid when it comes to football. He will never see the gift horse he has, because it wasn't what his plan was when he came into football.
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    Nope the fellas a prick 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    conversely, our success on a wafer thin 'allowance' might convince him that he is in the right .. stay thin, hungry and eager ((:>) .. the motto on the Duchatelet family crest
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    But we haven't had success yet - without the players in, it is still going to be a struggle.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited August 2019
    No chance. I fully expect players to leave. 

    I honestly think we are stuck with him until he croaks it. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    But we haven't had success yet - without the players in, it is still going to be a struggle.
    But we haven't had success yet - without the players in, it is still going to be a struggle.

    Mr M.. you and I are travelling along different roads today .. no success ? .. are you having a 'senior moment' around the promotion following our Wembley win over the 'Black Cats'