Charlton are lucky to have an owner like Duchatelet
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Bower has to have as good as relationship with the owner. Read his autobiography to find out what he really thinks/thought!3
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We all have to "play the game" at times.
Football is no different..to be fair its probably worse!
All Bowyer has said is what an owner, good or bad, should be doing. Pointing out the obvious.
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Sounds like a precursor to taking the Huddersfield job
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Might be doing him a disservice but I don't think Bowyer is much of a game player, what he says is generally what he thinks.
You forget that different things have a focus on football people as opposed to football fans. Knowing you are getting paid and your contracts are secure are massive considerations in the game.
You have to consider (as others have said) most of RDs nonsense and the Katrien stuff was all before Bowyer was involved here.
He said publicly last summer that he couldn't fault RD, he gave him what he wanted which allowed us to get our top 1 and 2 targets. Post window, he seems happy again with the backing he's got this summer, which looks on the face of it to have delivered more than most of us were expecting.
Of course our budget is poor comparied to others in our league, we are a low income generator in comparison and there are six clubs alone in our league that will receive parachute payments between £35-43m for this season alone. Its looking (so far) like our budget was good enough to deliver a competitive squad.
Duchatelet has very little interest which probably suits a manager more than having an owner who wants to know the ins and outs every day.
We have good reasons to feel he is not a very good long-term owner of our club, but he can't be that bad to work for as the likes of Bowyer, Gallen, Jackson, Riga wouldn't keep signing up for it.
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The whole of this summer has been punctuated by “RD’s nonsense”, including seven separate statements - most of them gratuitous, misleading or incoherent - and his behaviour over Bowyer’s contract, which bordered on being defamatory, and his conduct towards the interested parties, including changing the agreed terms.
Bowyer has done well within the constraints and if he continues to do so there will be no appetite for revolution, but the financial discipline of the Championship is remorseless. It’s not going to be easy to defy it over time.
There is no plan but “rely on Bowyer” and the more successful that is the less likely it is to continue.9 -
Bowyer has said he needs to focus on what he can control, the football. There would be no benefit to him doing anything than keep the owner onside. That isn't game playing, it is common sense in his position. It is the same as any of us walking into the bosses office and telling him everything he/she is doing wrong. There is no advantage in doing so.1
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Agree.MuttleyCAFC said:Bower has to have as good as relationship with the owner. Read his autobiography to find out what he really thinks/thought!
Bowyer must've a good working relationship with Duchatelet while he is the Custodian of OUR football club. The same goes for the genius that is Steve Gallen. I imagine that Steve speaks to Roland more than Lee.
Despite being stung by Bowyer's comments "I don't know what more the fans want" well an owner like Mike Garlick at Burnley who is worth about 50 million and watches the team every week and gives a decent amount of the TV money to Sean Dyche. He runs a tight ship but is one with the fans.
A few years ago at Sparrows lane when Johnny Jackson was the conduit between the management and the fans, I asked Johnny when he would write his autobiography about his time at Cafc under the various managers and owners and especially Duchatelet. JJ replied "after I leave the Club. Not for at least 10 years then came my reply !
As Russell Slade was boss then, I didn't realize how prescient my comments were, or may become ?2 -
He can keep onside by keeping the magic going on the pitch and being suitably polite with RD when they interact. There is no need at all for the public brown-nosing and preaching to fans who’ve endured Duchatelet’s bollocks for a lot longer than Bowyer.MuttleyCAFC said:Bowyer has said he needs to focus on what he can control, the football. There would be no benefit to him doing anything than keep the owner onside. That isn't game playing, it is common sense in his position. It is the same as any of us walking into the bosses office and telling him everything he/she is doing wrong. There is no advantage in doing so.3 -
Thankfully we have Duchatelet and not some owner that saddles us with debt and or dodgyness that means the club can't be sold...6
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I thought Dale was supposed to be selling Bury.0
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If he is playing ingenious mind-games then it comes at the expense of CARD and those of us who support them. Very easy now for the apologists and anti-CARD meatheads to say everything is fine.0
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This is a big red herring.
It's like arguing the toss over whether Ian Brady was worse than Peter Sutcliffe or the other way round.
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Bollocks to Duchatalet, he hasnt changed, he doesnt care and comparison to Bury or shouting 'better the devil you know' does not change anything. 100% Roland Out!
This year I am going to do my best to ignore him (when not protesting in a way that doesnt impact on the team), and have fun following Lee Bowyers Addicks with my son and mates inspite of him, not because of him.
I hope it costs him shed loads, the bell end wouldnt know a good day out at football if it cost him a billion.4 -
Shouldn't you be on the Sale of Charlton thread Len ?LenGlover said:This is a big red herring.
It's like arguing the toss over whether Ian Brady was worse than Peter Sutcliffe or the other way round.
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True, but he needs Duchatelet's support too.Davo55 said:
He can keep onside by keeping the magic going on the pitch and being suitably polite with RD when they interact. There is no need at all for the public brown-nosing and preaching to fans who’ve endured Duchatelet’s bollocks for a lot longer than Bowyer.MuttleyCAFC said:Bowyer has said he needs to focus on what he can control, the football. There would be no benefit to him doing anything than keep the owner onside. That isn't game playing, it is common sense in his position. It is the same as any of us walking into the bosses office and telling him everything he/she is doing wrong. There is no advantage in doing so.0 -
RD has done the bare minumum that should be expected of a football club owner, on top of slagging off Bow when it looked like he wouldnt be signing a new contract. He deserves no praise of any kind.
The fact that we are doing well is all because of Lee and Steve Gallen. Its an accident that RD has had both of them land in his lap, he would never have appointed them himself if he had the opportunity.1 -
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He's just showing any prospective new employer he knows where his loyalties lie.0 -
If he openly criticised Roland, what would it achieve?2
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The fact he said "I don't know what more people want" shows he doesn't share the fan's perspective on RD.Davo55 said:
He can keep onside by keeping the magic going on the pitch and being suitably polite with RD when they interact. There is no need at all for the public brown-nosing and preaching to fans who’ve endured Duchatelet’s bollocks for a lot longer than Bowyer.MuttleyCAFC said:Bowyer has said he needs to focus on what he can control, the football. There would be no benefit to him doing anything than keep the owner onside. That isn't game playing, it is common sense in his position. It is the same as any of us walking into the bosses office and telling him everything he/she is doing wrong. There is no advantage in doing so.
So what, he's the manager - not a fan - and didn't experience what we experienced. I can accept he doesn't care about the past that he can't control.
What's more, I would guess that with LB's baggage he would be criticised as a hypocrite if he damned people doing the right thing today for transgressions committed in the past.
It can only make the club even more attractive package to a prospective owner knowing the manager can handle relations with a man it's impossible to have normal relationship with. In no way dims my opposition to RD's continuing role as an owner just because the manager isn't siding with the fans.
Not sure that approach has helped Spurs or Newcastle or the manager's standing with Pochettino and Benitez publicly undermining the owner, however justified from a fan's perspective.
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No win situation for LB. what’s he supposed to say when the question is put to him publicly?? He’s certainly not going to slag off his boss whatever he might think privately. Also remember LB’s career where he’s been employed under some proper barmy ownerships. In comparison, RD being out of his hair most of the time and paying the bills after a fashion might seem like a relief in comparison to what we might have. I’m not defending RD for a minute but I think we are reading too much into what had by necessity to be a pretty black and white answer to a question when the reality of what LB thinks might be a lot greyer.7
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as far as I'm concerned Bowyer can say what he likes about how he feels about Roland but he shouldn't bring the fans into it and he shouldn't presume to say what we should think or do.
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I wonder if the excesses of Peter Ridsdale had any bearing on some of those comments under David O'Leary by Lee.
Didn't the tea lady ask for a rise and the happy to please Ridsdale said will 100% do !
That may just be an apocryphal story but I heard it from a professional Journalist on Radio 5 back in the day.0 -
MuttleyCAFC said:If he openly criticised Roland, what would it achieve?
No one has requested him or expects him to criticise RD but also it is not necessary of him to sing RD's praises in public. If he wants, or is supposed to be blowing smoke up RD's backside to keep RD onside it can be done in private surely.2 -
Also remember the players will hear/read his comments.
What can he say "the owners rubbish, look at the crap I have to put out, they are either has beens, kids or shit. I had to have then because they were cheap"1 -
Then again he wouldn't say that about the players because they're not any of those things.Cafc43v3r said:Also remember the players will hear/read his comments.
What can he say "the owners rubbish, look at the crap I have to put out, they are either has beens, kids or shit. I had to have then because they were cheap"1 -
Chizz said:
Other clubs aren’t as lucky and Bury is one of them, it is sad, for the fans: it’s their life. Fans go to work every day to earn their money to go and watch them on Saturday and support their team. We’ve got an owner, love him or hate him, he pays the bills every week. He pays the players, he pays the staff, all the other bills that come in.
He backed us in the summer, we’ve got a healthy squad, so for me he’s doing what an owner should do. I don’t know what more the fans want, he’s done and doing the right thing.
Maybe we’d like our budget to be bigger, but it is what it is. The man’s trying to sell a football club, I respect what he’s given us as we know the situation.
He’s done everything an owner should be doing.
Nearly as bad as your cricket posts. And I know you didn't write it.
Let's see where LB is next year when he earna himself a better job.....
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I don’t think anybody is asking him to do that. But it’s not a straight choice between praising him and slating him, he can do neither.MuttleyCAFC said:If he openly criticised Roland, what would it achieve?0 -
It is. With what we know about Roland - if Bowyer needs a bit of backing in January. Having a positive relationship with the owner is going to help that. We all know what a cnut the owner is, but he is unpredictable and if Bowyer wants to try to work him, let him I say.3
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No I don't think they are either but a lot of people say that's what Bowyer has "been forced to sign" as a criticism of RD.southamptonaddick said:
Then again he wouldn't say that about the players because they're not any of those things.Cafc43v3r said:Also remember the players will hear/read his comments.
What can he say "the owners rubbish, look at the crap I have to put out, they are either has beens, kids or shit. I had to have then because they were cheap"0 -
Mr Bowyer as a Company employee you have paid due respect to your employer.
You are perfectly entitled to do so.
You argue M Duchatelet despite wanting to sell the club has supported yourself and Gallen to achieve a "healthy" squad. You argue sir, in comparison to the machinations at Bolton and Bury the club is indeed fortunate.
Mr Bowyer, it is a very low bar against which to set comparisons. You ask what more should supporters expect.
I politely suggest Mr Bowyer you reflect;
- you were appointed caretaker manager after Mr Robinson walked away
- you were appointed caretaker manager simply because you were there
- you were appointed caretaker manager because the owner wanted/wants out
- you were not appointed full time manager until 6 weeks into the following season
- you were just a few weeks ago publicly released from your position via a club statement without even the courtesy of personal notification
Mr Bowyer you should further remember during his tenure since 2014 this owner has;
- made 9 managerial appointments
- overseen 195 professional players contracts
- incurred trading debts of circa of £60mn with no discernible plan as to how he intends to resolve such debt
- sought to foist such debt on new investors asking them to pay for his mistakes
- fritterred away player sales receipts of over £25mn for players collectively now worth over £120mn in Pope, Gomez, Konsa, Gudmundsson, Lookman, Grant, Aribo
- operated the club without a CEO or FCO, or executive board for over a year.
- alienated thousands of supporters through ill thought strategies, divisive and eccentric communication, poor implementation and arrogant personal agenda.
Mr Bowyer I applaud;
- the fact for the first time under this regime the club is operating with a full senior squad
- the work you have undertaken with Messrs Jackson, Marshall and of course Gallen in structuring & managing the clubhouse to achieve the results you have.
- your efforts in galvanising the bond between the players and the fans.
- M.Duchatelet for financially supporting you, the other named parties and the players in your endeavours.
However Mr Bowyer in terms of ownership, leadership, accountability, business & industry investment, market intelligence, participative involvement I abhor the disrespectful arrogance of any individual who perceives and regularly reaffirms none of the elements collectively warrant more than 2% of his time.
Indeed Mr Bowyer can I suggest perhaps on each match day you spare just 5 minutes to cast your eye around the operational and executive infrastructure of the clubs your team is playing.
Perhaps then sir you will find the answers you seek as what more supporters can expect from the ownership of THEIR club.
Yours respectfully.
Grapevine49
PS Keep up the excellent work.
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