Peter, perhaps he didn't see the three blatant hand balls but please give your view on the foul against Aneke. Also why only a yellow for the three phased assault on Pearce, and no yellow after playing advantage.
Hi as I said in an earlier post, as a home boycotter I wasnt at the game
Then you should probably stop telling people that actually saw the game that they are wrong.
Comments like yours sum up the issues with refs, you all think you're beyond criticism.
Absolutely hopeless. The one where aneke got penalised for kicking the ball was crazy. The push on pearce was surely a red, but no. The time wasting, their goalie doing keep ups before a place kick, deliberately kicking a ball on to stop play, then sending Bow off. Disgraceful. Im still angry about it all now ffs!
And 6mins of added on time. Could easily have been 10+, not that we'd have scored anyway tbf!
We are just as bad as other teams at game management so we can't complain when it is done to us. Throwing the ball on the pitch crossed a line, but Bowyer paid the biggest price for it so it wasn't really punished. For me, you get the tactics you do because refs do not add on the time that is lost. It is as simple as that and the solution lies at their door. I won't be holding my breath with the arrogant it is somebody else's fault attitude they have, but in the meantime, we will benefit from this ugly form of the game as well as lose from it, but the only losers overall are the fans.
There are three things the game has got badly wrong and it needs to sort out.
1) VAR - I actually support VAR, but the way it has been brought in has been a disaster 2) Handball rule - It should be left to the judgement of the ref to decide if it is intentional or not - that's it. It is now a complete mess where nobody, even refs, fully know how to implement it. 3) Time management - As long as refs do not accurately add the time on that is wasted, players will continue to waste it.
Tough gig being a ref but on Saturday the Ref lost the plot 2nd half. Not sending the number 26 off for his second Yellow card on Gallagher just because we took a quick free kick and he forgot by the time the ball went out of play was poor. The Aneke free kick was a shocker but the Birmingham players and coaches knew how to play this ref and took the Opportunity to milk it for all it's worth. The ball on the pitch was taking gamesmanship too far and against a shite football club like Birmingham city who's fans think attacking a Junior Red coach is fair game a few years ago is gutting.
Come back Roger East, A top Referee who graced the Valley last season.
Thanks for that crap, insincere apology. You seem to want to pick on me because I am critical of refs. I accept there are good ones and always have, but my blasphemy is the view that there are bad ones and worse too. You seem to have no respect for the time I and others like me spend developing young men in youth football. That is more time and effort and has cost me more money and possibly criticism than being a ref will have cost you and your mates pocketing tax free payments on a Saturday and Sunday and going straight home. In your world it is a one way street.
My tip is when you make an apology, don't qualify it with a paragraph insinuating the person you are apologising to doesn't understand the rules of the game. Yes, I am going to call them rules because that is what they F***ing well are. If you want to correct me knowingly, because they should be referred to as laws, it merely shows complete pedantry that exists in your world.
My son took the refs course as part of his playing development and because of his age I was required to attend parts with him, and very interesting and enlightening it was too. He then had to ref games to qualify. Again this was interesting as I had never watched games where I had no interest whatsoever in the result, but was interested in my sons decision making. He is very good at it and they want him to go further with it.
What I was shocked by was the language and abuse he was subjected too by parents (in the main) and by some coaches. The coaches often apologized afterwards, but obviously missed the point that this is the message that was being passed out to the children and their parents. We are talking about under 7’s!
Adults running the line can be quite comical when the players are old enough to play offside. Either cheating or it has been awhile since they had brushed up on it all. Being overruled could see them jumping up and down still waving their flag. The lack of knowledge by some managers and coaches of quite basic laws and the role of the ref was disappointing, but probably not surprising given the lack of priority it gets on coaching courses.
He is now 17 and in his third year is reffing the under 16’s sometimes. Players have learned their lessons well and now feel free to throw their abuse into the ring. I no longer watch. This will be his last season as there is no enjoyment in it. The club he belongs too trained 8 up in his age group and there are just two left as the others have jacked it in. The other one will only do kids football.
The refs like we got on Saturday will be of a type in my opinion. The ones that have what it takes to stand the abuse and threats. Good luck to them. They earn every penny and without them we do not have a game.
If we want better, we need to educate managers, coaches, and more importantly, players, in understanding and respecting the laws and those that apply them. That way there is a chance that there will be a bigger pool of refs, and a higher number of better ones.
The referee marks sums up why there is a shortage of referees. Second post referee mark 0 wanker why not put wanker next to one of our players that has had a bad game. What other job do you do and get so much abuse. but we all do it in the passion for the game but it’s not really acceptable. The sin bin has been brought in this season up to step 6 I think it is. My second match with it I had to use it for the first time. I gave a penalty for handball on the line. The goalkeeper showed me decent and I didn’t want to sin bin him straight away for first offence.Its called trying to manage the game. We don’t try to send everybody off. (Like some people think especially at local league level ) So we had penalty and they scored. As we are about to kick off I can hear goalie protesting again calling me a wanker. So I call the captain other and the goalie telling them his called me a wanker and really I can know send him off. Which I don’t because I’m trying to manage the match. Why because at end of match they will come up to me and say your fault we lost game because you sent goalie off. So I give goalie last warning. The game continues the home team start to whinge about all decisions against them. One player gets knocked over with a shoulder barge he wants a foul I say no it’s just a shoulder barge. He whines some more I say a typical player remark it’s not netball it’s a contract sport. Player responds you can’t talk to me like that. Always makes me laugh.when they swear at you but you can’t talk to them like that. So we continue and they keep moaning persistently.which I think is starting to undermine my match control so I sin bin the captain when the next decent from him comes in. He has to leave the pitch for 10 minutes. He comes back on in 42min 43min fouls left winger I give him second yellow card explain new rule he can get 3rd yellow card so is not sent off. He hasn’t a clue so I say to him I’ll explain at half time. Half time comes I try explaining it to him 2 other players come other have a go at me for trying to explain to him and all decide they don’t want to listen to me. Kick off second half within first 5 minutes I give them a penalty for pulling away side not happy soft penalty they equalise. 1-1 the away side then go on to take a 4-1 lead. New player comes on at left back claims a foul throw for every throwing taken on his side of pitch. caution player for persistent foul play. Then caution right back for taking out winger get Decent for cautioning him by another playing who’s been moaning all game and had been warned more than once using the captain( this is called the stepped approach so when the captain comes in with the player the referee will normally gesture with like scissor action of the arm ms no more.) so I sin bin this player for 10 minutes. As he walks off he says fucking wanker. This is straight red card again for foul and abusive language. I am not 100% it’s at me but it is most likely so there is less than 20 mins left so he is out the game either way if it red or yellow.So there down to 10 men So game finishes they lose 4-2. In the end.as coming off pitch get called a knobhead and it’s all about you by spectator. So I’ve not sent off 3off there players like I could off easily and they’ve still lost because of me. All that for £30 would you do it. Also person that said referee doesn’t take any notice of lineman have you not seen the mic he wears or if you actually look at his flag on throw ins he will put the flag to the side he thinks is the way the throw is.below his waist he then looks at referee who will then also be pointing which way it is. Before they raise flag and arm to indicate which way the throw is this is called leading each other in.if they do not agree and have different directions it’s up to referee as he is in charge.but it might depend on his pre game instructions I normally split the pitch into thirds so if the decision is nearer the linesmen than me so he is more credible I’ll go with him but on middle third and my third it’s my decision. Hope this makes people see what a easy job it is.
I recognise some of what you say. Teams do try to intimidate the ref to get decisions. Some might not believe it but I always tried to stop our players doing this and insisted they accept decisions. I had to ref a game this season when the ref didn't show, or at least half a game as we agreed to swap at half time. It is always hard reffing your own team as you try very hard not to show bias, but I got it big time from our opponents. Keep up with play ref. You are useless ref. You are a cheat. It was even harder for me as I didn't want to inflame things so was more lenient with them. When you see a tough challenge, it can be marginal whether it is a foul or not - you try to be consistent - whatever you decide, you are a wanker! As a non ref, you make a few decisions and think, maybe I should have given a foul - That is why teams intimidate. To get you to give them more decisions.
One of our opponents players went up for a corner and purposely tripped himself up. I saw it as clear as daylight and told him as much and to get up. I had to deal with a bunch of twats rushing over to me calling me every name. They were trying to make me think I had made a terrible decision. Then giving me backchat about being a cheat or blind about it through the remainder of the half. I told one that was giving me stick a few minutes later, that I saw the bloke tripped himself up perfectly well which proved to me he hadn't even seen what he was moaning to me about. Rather than argue with that he admitted he hadn't seen it, but I was a shit ref anyway. I said I wasn't a ref and I was sure I was probably shit, but I was not a cheat.
It did bring it home to me what refs have to put up with. Especially at grass roots level. And the responsibility of teams to not cross the line and respect them. But that is different to criticising refs after the game on here or even us slagging them off in our after match team talk if we felt it was deserved. And I think it is ok to clarify a decision with the ref respectfully. I have found some refs respond fine to that, but some are far too defensive. Whilst there are some complete arsehole teams, there are also some rubbish refs. My son refs too and I have seen this from some coaches and parents aimed at him. But he is the right character to deal with it and I think it is good for him in a certain way. Although it pisses me off big time.
At grass roots level it's a shame they can't organise a strike one weekend and see how the matches go with the home team providing the ref like they do in under 11 matches where its 7 a side.
In the pro game where the refs are earning hundreds of pounds per game in the top 2 divisions then they should be open to criticism. I have found most refs this season better than last so far but the ref on Saturday made basic errors in the 2nd half.
The common sense way to deal with Saturday was for the ref to run up to the Birmingham bench and say he would be dealing with it after the game and for them to stay put. Then continue with the added time. At the end of the game, he should have identified who was responsible for the ball going on the pitch and booked him. And that would have been that. The League should then have noted the incident and warned Birmingham that if there is ever a repeat, they would face serious consequences.
Yes there is bad refs but they don’t cheat sometimes It can be they have had a bad game same as players. I once had a linesmen at Retford Utd that absolutely killed me. He was new to the league and just banged his flag out whichever way he thought with no eye contact with me. Like I explained in previous text so we crossed eg flagged different ways. He must have done this at least 6 times once is unacceptable. He flagged for offside about 3times when ball went out for goal kick or through to goalkeeper so we could have played on. My assessor said it was worst performance from an assistant he had ever seen I got slaughtered being called a cheat and everything else by both teams with terrible club marks and this guy seemed totally oblivious to it. I wanted to punch him but I did still not swear at him and tried to teach him to take longer over his decisions and make eye contact with the referee.
referees have to understand player and spectators frustrations especially in the heat of the moment but not after a game when you have calmed down.This is why we are told to say to manager/player to see me in changing room 15 minutes after games to give them time to calm down. But if your typing an hour later on social media refs a wanker you’ve got a problem. I’ve called Stroud a wanker etc many a time watching us but I wouldn’t approach him or write anywhere your a wanker what ever after the game. If you do somethings wrong with you. If you mess something up at work and you boss started calling you a wanker or whatever every day what would you do about that.its not acceptable that is why they have brought in the sin bins to try and stop it. Intimidating the referee is what Liverpool brought in in the 80s I suppose it works with some refs but it doesn’t with me Makes me go other way on a 50/50 when your not sure you give decisions to defensive side but if there being twats I give it to other team.if someone is constantly giving you shit why would you give them decisions. I’m just being honest with you guys so you can see it from the other side that the referee sees.every decision they make one side will agree and one side won’t that’s how it is. But they ain’t cheats.
I'm not going to sugar coat it, the referee was absolutely shit.
Of course we're gonna slag him off when we're on the receiving end but during the time their player was down, their manager and Bows altercation. Not once did he do anything to control the time wasting.
The last 10mins of the game was a total farce.
I'm a qualified ref with London FA and The FA, might have to reinstate myself as by the looks of it, I could go quite high up the ladder if these are the type of referees I'd have to compete with.
I got to level 4 and I can understand your frustration about time wasting or delaying restart but I must have cautioned 3 times at that level for this and my assessors pulled me up for doing so each time.which I do not agree with because it is frustrating for fans. yet the laws have changed to help stop time wasting eg substitute leaving field of play nearest point. Don’t think I’ve actually seen this happen yet. Think Birmingham manager got caution for delaying restart and Bowyer got violent conduct.which is determined how aggressively he threw the ball at the Birmingham bench.
I got to level 4 and I can understand your frustration about time wasting or delaying restart but I must have cautioned 3 times at that level for this and my assessors pulled me up for doing so each time.which I do not agree with because it is frustrating for fans. yet the laws have changed to help stop time wasting eg substitute leaving field of play nearest point. Don’t think I’ve actually seen this happen yet. Think Birmingham manager got caution for delaying restart and Bowyer got violent conduct.which is determined how aggressively he threw the ball at the Birmingham bench.
I think the ball must have bounced at least three times before it got there.
I think it's ludicrous to infer that a referee's performance is acceptable, as long as a multitude of errors aren't game changing.
I wonder how many non game changing errors are acceptable ?
I'd say perhaps 5, but I get the impression that there would still be a defence if there were 20.
He certainly made more than 10 mistakes.
And that’s the point. No one is immune to criticism and that of course goes for referees as well. It doesn’t matter if someone has all the qualifications in the world, if they’re making poor decisions, they ought to be told and made aware.
Some referees have egos and like having the game about themselves, it makes them feel powerful. People can tell me that’s nonsense, people can also tell me that it’s nonsense that there are many who don’t understand and know the laws of the game, but I know for a fact that it’s true. Even my bloody mentor when I was starting out said the same to me.
We used to have some very good referees in football but now I see the standard so far below what it should, and used to, be that it’s also not acceptable to not be allowed to criticise their performances. In any other line of work, you’d have to justify your reasons for the decisions made to whoever that might be. It seems to me that doesn’t happen anymore in football.
I think it's ludicrous to infer that a referee's performance is acceptable, as long as a multitude of errors aren't game changing.
I wonder how many non game changing errors are acceptable ?
I'd say perhaps 5, but I get the impression that there would still be a defence if there were 20.
He certainly made more than 10 mistakes.
And that’s the point. No one is immune to criticism and that of course goes for referees as well. It doesn’t matter if someone has all the qualifications in the world, if they’re making poor decisions, they ought to be told and made aware.
Some referees have egos and like having the game about themselves, it makes them feel powerful. People can tell me that’s nonsense, people can also tell me that it’s nonsense that there are many who don’t understand and know the laws of the game, but I know for a fact that it’s true. Even my bloody mentor when I was starting out said the same to me.
We used to have some very good referees in football but now I see the standard so far below what it should, and used to, be that it’s also not acceptable to not be allowed to criticise their performances. In any other line of work, you’d have to justify your reasons for the decisions made to whoever that might be. It seems to me that doesn’t happen anymore in football.
A little like some stewards who truly think they are more important, because they have a high viz jacket.
I think it's ludicrous to infer that a referee's performance is acceptable, as long as a multitude of errors aren't game changing.
I wonder how many non game changing errors are acceptable ?
I'd say perhaps 5, but I get the impression that there would still be a defence if there were 20.
He certainly made more than 10 mistakes.
And that’s the point. No one is immune to criticism and that of course goes for referees as well. It doesn’t matter if someone has all the qualifications in the world, if they’re making poor decisions, they ought to be told and made aware.
Some referees have egos and like having the game about themselves, it makes them feel powerful. People can tell me that’s nonsense, people can also tell me that it’s nonsense that there are many who don’t understand and know the laws of the game, but I know for a fact that it’s true. Even my bloody mentor when I was starting out said the same to me.
We used to have some very good referees in football but now I see the standard so far below what it should, and used to, be that it’s also not acceptable to not be allowed to criticise their performances. In any other line of work, you’d have to justify your reasons for the decisions made to whoever that might be. It seems to me that doesn’t happen anymore in football.
A little like some stewards who truly think they are more important, because they have a high viz jacket.
Exactly like that. Power trip and they’re no good for anyone in those situations.
I got to level 4 and I can understand your frustration about time wasting or delaying restart but I must have cautioned 3 times at that level for this and my assessors pulled me up for doing so each time.which I do not agree with because it is frustrating for fans. yet the laws have changed to help stop time wasting eg substitute leaving field of play nearest point. Don’t think I’ve actually seen this happen yet. Think Birmingham manager got caution for delaying restart and Bowyer got violent conduct.which is determined how aggressively he threw the ball at the Birmingham bench.
I think the ball must have bounced at least three times before it got there.
This is what an aggressive throw of the ball looks like.
I got to level 4 and I can understand your frustration about time wasting or delaying restart but I must have cautioned 3 times at that level for this and my assessors pulled me up for doing so each time.which I do not agree with because it is frustrating for fans. yet the laws have changed to help stop time wasting eg substitute leaving field of play nearest point. Don’t think I’ve actually seen this happen yet. Think Birmingham manager got caution for delaying restart and Bowyer got violent conduct.which is determined how aggressively he threw the ball at the Birmingham bench.
I think the ball must have bounced at least three times before it got there.
This is what an aggressive throw of the ball looks like.
Ha, and footballers, managers and coaches are kinda used to having a ball come their way. Waiting for someone to say that “he could have had someone’s eye out”.
Sage your chatting shit.you sound like the old bloke down the pub things were so much better in the old days. From step 6 upwards referees have assessors at nearly every game marking there performance.telling them there mistakes what they done well and what they can do to improve aspects of there game. The marks are then used and at the end off season they are promoted or demoted. The clubs also mark the referees and this can also lead to promotion or demotion. The higher up you go the assessors will also use video to assess the major decisions. So tell me do you have someone sitting watching you do your job all day and telling you what you done right or wrong and what you should do to improve. The refs have better training now days and young refs with potential have coaches and go on schemes for extra training. No matter what there still going to get things wrong we’ve got var now and they’ve admitted 4 mistakes.so even watching replays over and over we can’t get some decisions right when we’re impartial. Do you think fans of each team are going to agree. Always makes me laugh when I watch a match and see fans going mental doing v signs swearing and what ever because they didn’t get a throw in there way must be embarrassing if it’s you on tele doing that it’s a throw in for fuck sack.
Oh forgot to say seen clip of bowyer throwing ball on Twitter not sending off for me only thing is if he swore at ref or something. The thing with time wasting is we all think it’s funny when our team does it but when opposition does it they should be shot.
Sage your chatting shit.you sound like the old bloke down the pub things were so much better in the old days. From step 6 upwards referees have assessors at nearly every game marking there performance.telling them there mistakes what they done well and what they can do to improve aspects of there game. The marks are then used and at the end off season they are promoted or demoted. The clubs also mark the referees and this can also lead to promotion or demotion. The higher up you go the assessors will also use video to assess the major decisions. So tell me do you have someone sitting watching you do your job all day and telling you what you done right or wrong and what you should do to improve. The refs have better training now days and young refs with potential have coaches and go on schemes for extra training. No matter what there still going to get things wrong we’ve got var now and they’ve admitted 4 mistakes.so even watching replays over and over we can’t get some decisions right when we’re impartial. Do you think fans of each team are going to agree. Always makes me laugh when I watch a match and see fans going mental doing v signs swearing and what ever because they didn’t get a throw in there way must be embarrassing if it’s you on tele doing that it’s a throw in for fuck sack.
Ex top referee Keith Hackett has looked at all the VAR decisions this season and in his opinion there were rather more than 4 wrong decisions. He said that so far VAR is being used more to defend refs than get the right decision.
All the while refs assess refs and refs check ref decisions things will not improve because it's always defend the ref first.
Oh forgot to say seen clip of bowyer throwing ball on Twitter not sending off for me only thing is if he swore at ref or something. The thing with time wasting is we all think it’s funny when our team does it but when opposition does it they should be shot.
Nope fucks me off when anyone time wastes
I've paid good money to go watch some Football not to watch players taking the piss by stopping the game where possible
Up there with Diving in my list of pet hates within the game
Why did you let that mob give you grief Muttley when you were covering as a ref . Whenever I’ve covered as a ref I make sure everyone knows I’m not a ref and I’ll do my best etc as soon as the moaning starts I’m on it with offering the whistle to the moaner and asking if they’d like to do it . The half a dozen or so times it’s happened no one wants to be the ref and the moaning slows down big time .
I always get all my kids to thank the ref and umpire and remind them constantly there’s no game without them and even if they’re wrong they’re right and their decision is final .
obviously higher up the game the refs are gonna have their mistakes churned and burned over but in years gone by this wouldn’t happen because the coverage and angles of everything wasn’t available , so literally everyone’s mind would have a different view of something controversial.
and with more scrutiny refs will appear to be worse , I don’t believe they are
Why did you let that mob give you grief Muttley when you were covering as a ref . Whenever I’ve covered as a ref I make sure everyone knows I’m not a ref and I’ll do my best etc as soon as the moaning starts I’m on it with offering the whistle to the moaner and asking if they’d like to do it . The half a dozen or so times it’s happened no one wants to be the ref and the moaning slows down big time .
I always get all my kids to thank the ref and umpire and remind them constantly there’s no game without them and even if they’re wrong they’re right and their decision is final .
obviously higher up the game the refs are gonna have their mistakes churned and burned over but in years gone by this wouldn’t happen because the coverage and angles of everything wasn’t available , so literally everyone’s mind would have a different view of something controversial.
and with more scrutiny refs will appear to be worse , I don’t believe they are
Well firstly we won 4-1. I let them give me grief because I can take it and I wasn't going to give them an excuse or anything to complain about. They were just a scummy team which I know are out there.
Oh forgot to say seen clip of bowyer throwing ball on Twitter not sending off for me only thing is if he swore at ref or something. The thing with time wasting is we all think it’s funny when our team does it but when opposition does it they should be shot.
5 minutes between posts. One of the quickest change of mind's seen since Chukka Umunna
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And 6mins of added on time. Could easily have been 10+, not that we'd have scored anyway tbf!
1) VAR - I actually support VAR, but the way it has been brought in has been a disaster
2) Handball rule - It should be left to the judgement of the ref to decide if it is intentional or not - that's it. It is now a complete mess where nobody, even refs, fully know how to implement it.
3) Time management - As long as refs do not accurately add the time on that is wasted, players will continue to waste it.
The Aneke free kick was a shocker but the Birmingham players and coaches knew how to play this ref and took the Opportunity to milk it for all it's worth.
The ball on the pitch was taking gamesmanship too far and against a shite football club like Birmingham city who's fans think attacking a Junior Red coach is fair game a few years ago is gutting.
Come back Roger East, A top Referee who graced the Valley last season.
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referee mark 0 wanker
why not put wanker next to one of our players that has had a bad game.
What other job do you do and get so much abuse.
but we all do it in the passion for the game but it’s not really acceptable.
The sin bin has been brought in this season up to step 6 I think it is.
My second match with it I had to use it for the first time. I gave a penalty for handball on the line. The goalkeeper showed me decent and I didn’t want to sin bin him straight away for first offence.Its called trying to manage the game.
We don’t try to send everybody off. (Like some people think especially at local league level )
So we had penalty and they scored. As we are about to kick off I can hear goalie protesting again calling me a wanker.
So I call the captain other and the goalie telling them his called me a wanker and really I can know send him off. Which I don’t because I’m trying to manage the match.
Why because at end of match they will come up to me and say your fault we lost game because you sent goalie off.
So I give goalie last warning.
The game continues the home team start to whinge about all decisions against them.
One player gets knocked over with a shoulder barge he wants a foul I say no it’s just a shoulder barge. He whines some more I say a typical player remark it’s not netball it’s a contract sport. Player responds you can’t talk to me like that. Always makes me laugh.when they swear at you but you can’t talk to them like that.
So we continue and they keep moaning persistently.which I think is starting to undermine my match control so I sin bin the captain when the next decent from him comes in. He has to leave the pitch for 10 minutes. He comes back on in 42min 43min fouls left winger I give him second yellow card explain new rule he can get 3rd yellow card so is not sent off. He hasn’t a clue so I say to him I’ll explain at half time. Half time comes I try explaining it to him 2 other players come other have a go at me for trying to explain to him and all decide they don’t want to listen to me.
Kick off second half within first 5 minutes I give them a penalty for pulling away side not happy soft penalty they equalise. 1-1 the away side then go on to take a 4-1 lead.
New player comes on at left back claims a foul throw for every throwing taken on his side of pitch.
caution player for persistent foul play. Then caution right back for taking out winger get Decent for cautioning him by another playing who’s been moaning all game and had been warned more than once using the captain( this is called the stepped approach so when the captain comes in with the player the referee will normally gesture with like scissor action of the arm ms no more.) so I sin bin this player for 10 minutes. As he walks off he says fucking wanker. This is straight red card again for foul and abusive language. I am not 100% it’s at me but it is most likely so there is less than 20 mins left so he is out the game either way if it red or yellow.So there down to 10 men
So game finishes they lose 4-2. In the end.as coming off pitch get called a knobhead and it’s all about you by spectator.
So I’ve not sent off 3off there players like I could off easily and they’ve still lost because of me.
All that for £30 would you do it.
Also person that said referee doesn’t take any notice of lineman have you not seen the mic he wears or if you actually look at his flag on throw ins he will put the flag to the side he thinks is the way the throw is.below his waist he then looks at referee who will then also be pointing which way it is. Before they raise flag and arm to indicate which way the throw is this is called leading each other in.if they do not agree and have different directions it’s up to referee as he is in charge.but it might depend on his pre game instructions I normally split the pitch into thirds so if the decision is nearer the linesmen than me so he is more credible I’ll go with him but on middle third and my third it’s my decision.
Hope this makes people see what a easy job it is.
One of our opponents players went up for a corner and purposely tripped himself up. I saw it as clear as daylight and told him as much and to get up. I had to deal with a bunch of twats rushing over to me calling me every name. They were trying to make me think I had made a terrible decision. Then giving me backchat about being a cheat or blind about it through the remainder of the half. I told one that was giving me stick a few minutes later, that I saw the bloke tripped himself up perfectly well which proved to me he hadn't even seen what he was moaning to me about. Rather than argue with that he admitted he hadn't seen it, but I was a shit ref anyway. I said I wasn't a ref and I was sure I was probably shit, but I was not a cheat.
It did bring it home to me what refs have to put up with. Especially at grass roots level. And the responsibility of teams to not cross the line and respect them. But that is different to criticising refs after the game on here or even us slagging them off in our after match team talk if we felt it was deserved. And I think it is ok to clarify a decision with the ref respectfully. I have found some refs respond fine to that, but some are far too defensive. Whilst there are some complete arsehole teams, there are also some rubbish refs. My son refs too and I have seen this from some coaches and parents aimed at him. But he is the right character to deal with it and I think it is good for him in a certain way. Although it pisses me off big time.
In the pro game where the refs are earning hundreds of pounds per game in the top 2 divisions then they should be open to criticism. I have found most refs this season better than last so far but the ref on Saturday made basic errors in the 2nd half.
I once had a linesmen at Retford Utd that absolutely killed me. He was new to the league and just banged his flag out whichever way he thought with no eye contact with me. Like I explained in previous text so we crossed eg flagged different ways. He must have done this at least 6 times once is unacceptable. He flagged for offside about 3times when ball went out for goal kick or through to goalkeeper so we could have played on. My assessor said it was worst performance from an assistant
he had ever seen I got slaughtered being called a cheat and everything else by both teams with terrible club marks and this guy seemed totally oblivious to it. I wanted to punch him but I did still not swear at him and tried to teach him to take longer over his decisions and make eye contact with the referee.
referees have to understand player and spectators frustrations especially in the heat of the moment but not after a game when you have calmed down.This is why we are told to say to manager/player to see me in changing room 15 minutes after games to give them time to calm down.
But if your typing an hour later on social media refs a wanker you’ve got a problem. I’ve called Stroud a wanker etc many a time watching us but I wouldn’t approach him or write anywhere your a wanker what ever after the game.
If you do somethings wrong with you.
If you mess something up at work and you boss started calling you a wanker or whatever every day what would you do about that.its not acceptable that is why they have brought in the sin bins to try and stop it.
Intimidating the referee is what Liverpool brought in in the 80s I suppose it works with some refs but it doesn’t with me Makes me go other way on a 50/50 when your not sure you give decisions to defensive side but if there being twats I give it to other team.if someone is constantly giving you shit why would you give them decisions.
I’m just being honest with you guys so you can see it from the other side that the referee sees.every decision they make one side will agree and one side won’t that’s how it is. But they ain’t cheats.
Of course we're gonna slag him off when we're on the receiving end but during the time their player was down, their manager and Bows altercation. Not once did he do anything to control the time wasting.
The last 10mins of the game was a total farce.
I'm a qualified ref with London FA and The FA, might have to reinstate myself as by the looks of it, I could go quite high up the ladder if these are the type of referees I'd have to compete with.
yet the laws have changed to help stop time wasting eg substitute leaving field of play nearest point. Don’t think I’ve actually seen this happen yet.
Think Birmingham manager got caution for delaying restart and Bowyer got violent conduct.which is determined how aggressively he threw the ball at the Birmingham bench.
I wonder how many non game changing errors are acceptable ?
I'd say perhaps 5, but I get the impression that there would still be a defence if there were 20.
He certainly made more than 10 mistakes.
Some referees have egos and like having the game about themselves, it makes them feel powerful. People can tell me that’s nonsense, people can also tell me that it’s nonsense that there are many who don’t understand and know the laws of the game, but I know for a fact that it’s true. Even my bloody mentor when I was starting out said the same to me.
We used to have some very good referees in football but now I see the standard so far below what it should, and used to, be that it’s also not acceptable to not be allowed to criticise their performances. In any other line of work, you’d have to justify your reasons for the decisions made to whoever that might be. It seems to me that doesn’t happen anymore in football.
From step 6 upwards referees have assessors at nearly every game marking there performance.telling them there mistakes what they done well and what they can do to improve aspects of there game. The marks are then used and at the end off season they are promoted or demoted. The clubs also mark the referees and this can also lead to promotion or demotion. The higher up you go the assessors will also use video to assess the major decisions.
So tell me do you have someone sitting watching you do your job all day and telling you what you done right or wrong and what you should do to improve.
The refs have better training now days and young refs with potential have coaches and go on schemes for extra training.
No matter what there still going to get things wrong we’ve got var now and they’ve admitted 4 mistakes.so even watching replays over and over we can’t get some decisions right when we’re impartial. Do you think fans of each team are going to agree.
Always makes me laugh when I watch a match and see fans going mental doing v signs swearing and what ever because they didn’t get a throw in there way must be embarrassing if it’s you on tele doing that it’s a throw in for fuck sack.
The thing with time wasting is we all think it’s funny when our team does it but when opposition does it they should be shot.
All the while refs assess refs and refs check ref decisions things will not improve because it's always defend the ref first.
I've paid good money to go watch some Football not to watch players taking the piss by stopping the game where possible
Up there with Diving in my list of pet hates within the game
Whenever I’ve covered as a ref I make sure everyone knows I’m not a ref and I’ll do my best etc
as soon as the moaning starts I’m on it with offering the whistle to the moaner and asking if they’d like to do it . The half a dozen or so times it’s happened no one wants to be the ref and the moaning slows down big time .
I always get all my kids to thank the ref and umpire and remind them constantly there’s no game without them
and even if they’re wrong they’re right and their decision is final .
obviously higher up the game the refs are gonna have their mistakes churned and burned over but in years gone by this wouldn’t happen because the coverage and angles of everything wasn’t available , so literally everyone’s mind would have a different view of something controversial.
and with more scrutiny refs will appear to be worse , I don’t believe they are
One of the quickest change of mind's seen since Chukka Umunna