What seems to be ignored in this article is that some men have no interest in football or cricket, as well as many women. My father was one, and probably never attended a professional football match in his life. (Hence my introduction to CAFC was via going to occasional games with a schoolfriend and her father.)
Good conversationalists will listen as well as spout opinions, and find topics of mutual interest both in the workplace and socially.
The BBC really has gone downhill if this is the sort of garbage they feel belongs on their news website. More of their one-eyed 'inclusivity' agenda that only ever seems to blame men. The illiberal 'liberals' are constantly try to control what people say, where they say it and how they say it. Wish they'd just piss off, stop hectoring and lecturing everyone and leave us all alone.
The BBC really has gone downhill if this is the sort of garbage they feel belongs on their news website. More of their one-eyed 'inclusivity' agenda that only ever seems to blame men. The illiberal 'liberals' are constantly try to control what people say, where they say it and how they say it. Wish they'd just piss off, stop hectoring and lecturing everyone and leave us all alone.
That's what they want to achieve, they want the clicks from the outraged people who can then blame 'liberals' for their woes and tar everyone on the left with the same brush.
A little off topic... I once got called in the general manager's office on a Monday morning after going to a brunch with some mates from work that weekend that was then posted on social media. I was told off because apparently I had to "make sure everyone was included." There were about 40 people working there! Everyone!?
It wasn't until a few years later that I realized what he meant. Everyone in the office got an invite to his wedding except me. Turns out his wife, who worked in the same office, didn't want me there because I hadn't invited her out to that brunch two years ago.
A little off topic... I once got called in the general manager's office on a Monday morning after going to a brunch with some mates from work that weekend that was then posted on social media. I was told off because apparently I had to "make sure everyone was included." There were about 40 people working there! Everyone!?
It wasn't until a few years later that I realized what he meant. Everyone in the office got an invite to his wedding except me. Turns out his wife, who worked in the same office, didn't want me there because I hadn't invited her out to that brunch two years ago.
A little off topic... I once got called in the general manager's office on a Monday morning after going to a brunch with some mates from work that weekend that was then posted on social media. I was told off because apparently I had to "make sure everyone was included." There were about 40 people working there! Everyone!?
It wasn't until a few years later that I realized what he meant. Everyone in the office got an invite to his wedding except me. Turns out his wife, who worked in the same office, didn't want me there because I hadn't invited her out to that brunch two years ago.
I take it we can also therefore ban talk about soaps, reality tv, daytime tv (especially, although definitely not restricted to, Loose Women), shopping and just general gossip!
Having spent my entire working life (BG -before goats) with mainly hairy arsed geezers, if you ban all that lot Tel, they’d have feck all to talk about!!!
Haha...my working career has been mostly spent in teams of predominantly woman. Not sure about all of them, but definitely a couple of the hairy arsed variety too!! 😉
I’m always happen to listen in, but haven’t got a clue what they’re talking about most of the time. Have a couple that like sports, but in any decent group you’ll always find common ground and plenty to chat about. Wouldn’t it be bloody boring if we all liked and talked about the same things every day!
There is a serious issue in there trying to get out. Any workplace that allows/encourages anyone to feel excluded is courting problems.
Of course, but I think the fundamental point here is, talking about football and cricket in front of women isn't one of them. This is mainly because there's probably just as many women who like football as men that don't. Each workplace is different, so what are we meant to do, find out things that our oppos don't like and ban any discussion on it from the workplace?
There is a serious issue in there trying to get out. Any workplace that allows/encourages anyone to feel excluded is courting problems.
I agree. I should be allowed to talk to whoever I want about whatever I want and not be dictated to by Ann Francke and made to feel like a second class citizen. There is enough discrimination of football supporters by the police and government without it spreading over into my work environment. What next? will I need to take down my CAFC calendar?
There is a serious issue in there trying to get out. Any workplace that allows/encourages anyone to feel excluded is courting problems.
Of course, but I think the fundamental point here is, talking about football and cricket in front of women isn't one of them. This is mainly because there's probably just as many women who like football as men that don't. Each workplace is different, so what are we meant to do, find out things that our oppos don't like and ban any discussion on it from the workplace?
No, but ensuring there isn’t exclusion is a task for management these days.
There is a serious issue in there trying to get out. Any workplace that allows/encourages anyone to feel excluded is courting problems.
Actually, completely agree with this. If you can make a workplace diverse, inclusive and equal (equal in terms of taking people's differences into account, rather than just treating everyone the same), then it's far better for business. That can be proved empirically. And can be explained better than saying crap like "ban football and cricket chat because it leads to laddish behaviour".
There is a serious issue in there trying to get out. Any workplace that allows/encourages anyone to feel excluded is courting problems.
Actually, completely agree with this. If you can make a workplace diverse, inclusive and equal (equal in terms of taking people's differences into account, rather than just treating everyone the same), then it's far better for business. That can be proved empirically. And can be explained better than saying crap like "ban football and cricket chat because it leads to laddish behaviour".
It's just incredibly lazy and frankly insulting that she chose to pick out male behaviour, when I've seen female behaviour that has been 100 times more destructive and divisive than blokes talking about football. I used to be the only bloke in an otherwise all female team and they could act like a coven of witches when they wanted to with their spiteful bitching and gossip.
There is a serious issue in there trying to get out. Any workplace that allows/encourages anyone to feel excluded is courting problems.
Actually, completely agree with this. If you can make a workplace diverse, inclusive and equal (equal in terms of taking people's differences into account, rather than just treating everyone the same), then it's far better for business. That can be proved empirically. And can be explained better than saying crap like "ban football and cricket chat because it leads to laddish behaviour".
It's just incredibly lazy and frankly insulting that she chose to pick out male behaviour, when I've seen female behaviour that has been 100 times more destructive and divisive than blokes talking about football. I used to be the only bloke in an otherwise all female team and they could act like a coven of witches when they wanted to with their spiteful bitching and gossip.
My Mrs is now back in the UK working in an all female team. She has had a few occasions where she's felt excluded for one reason or other and she's only been there a couple of months. I put it down to people's terrible communication skills these days though, and can't see what management can do about it.
Just thinking to myself though, if I'm in company and I noticed someone isn't getting involved with the chat, I'll either try and get them involved, or start up a conversation with them unrelated.
Way back in the early to mid 90’s I worked for a large telecoms company near old street, huge open plan office with lots of small depts with varying roles. There was a big drinking culture back then, and it always seemed to be the same people that organised a night out, but when they did, they invited everybody In the office via email etc, male, female, black, Asian, whomever, so if they didn’t show it was their outlook, no dramas, it kicked off once and caused a huge amount of resentment and head shaking, when a particular woman, who happened to be black, and who had a reputation as moody and unhelpful, sent out an email to arrange a night out, but only invited the other black staff in the office, seems she was all for inclusivity, but on her terms
There is a serious issue in there trying to get out. Any workplace that allows/encourages anyone to feel excluded is courting problems.
Actually, completely agree with this. If you can make a workplace diverse, inclusive and equal (equal in terms of taking people's differences into account, rather than just treating everyone the same), then it's far better for business. That can be proved empirically. And can be explained better than saying crap like "ban football and cricket chat because it leads to laddish behaviour".
It's just incredibly lazy and frankly insulting that she chose to pick out male behaviour, when I've seen female behaviour that has been 100 times more destructive and divisive than blokes talking about football. I used to be the only bloke in an otherwise all female team and they could act like a coven of witches when they wanted to with their spiteful bitching and gossip.
My ex has worked for many years in large city law firms, she has hated the vast majority of her female colleagues, she pretty much says the same as you, most of them are spiteful, gossips and down right bullies
They key is to arrange a range of different events, some breakfasts, lunches, drinks after work, and being aware that everyone has their own motivation, personalities and things that make them tick.
As long as there's something for everyone, you are perfectly justified if someone moans to tell them to shut up directly into their whiny face
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My father was one, and probably never attended a professional football match in his life. (Hence my introduction to CAFC was via going to occasional games with a schoolfriend and her father.)
Good conversationalists will listen as well as spout opinions, and find topics of mutual interest both in the workplace and socially.
That's what they want to achieve, they want the clicks from the outraged people who can then blame 'liberals' for their woes and tar everyone on the left with the same brush.
It wasn't until a few years later that I realized what he meant. Everyone in the office got an invite to his wedding except me. Turns out his wife, who worked in the same office, didn't want me there because I hadn't invited her out to that brunch two years ago.
Any workplace that allows/encourages anyone to feel excluded is courting problems.
I’m always happen to listen in, but haven’t got a clue what they’re talking about most of the time. Have a couple that like sports, but in any decent group you’ll always find common ground and plenty to chat about. Wouldn’t it be bloody boring if we all liked and talked about the same things every day!
It's just incredibly lazy and frankly insulting that she chose to pick out male behaviour, when I've seen female behaviour that has been 100 times more destructive and divisive than blokes talking about football. I used to be the only bloke in an otherwise all female team and they could act like a coven of witches when they wanted to with their spiteful bitching and gossip.
Just thinking to myself though, if I'm in company and I noticed someone isn't getting involved with the chat, I'll either try and get them involved, or start up a conversation with them unrelated.
There was a big drinking culture back then, and it always seemed to be the same people that organised a night out, but when they did, they invited everybody In the office via email etc, male, female, black, Asian, whomever, so if they didn’t show it was their outlook, no dramas, it kicked off once and caused a huge amount of resentment and head shaking, when a particular woman, who happened to be black, and who had a reputation as moody and unhelpful, sent out an email to arrange a night out, but only invited the other black staff in the office, seems she was all for inclusivity, but on her terms
As long as there's something for everyone, you are perfectly justified if someone moans to tell them to shut up directly into their whiny face