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Terrorist Attack in Streatham 02.02.20
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Sadly our legal system allows most people to serve half of their sentence or less. The prisons are full and we have one of the highest prison populations in the world. As for managing risk. I was contacted recently by a probation officer who wanted me to assess the mental health of a man with a long, long, LONG, history of violence towards others and was saying that he was having THOUGHTS to harm people. I spoke to police and probation only to be told that they couldn't do anything themselves. It's so stressful when there are too many people like this on the streets and you never ever know which one person is going to do something, or when!Redvalleyeast said:If he was under close armed police surveillance he was obviously considered very dangerous? What the actual fuck is he doing walking the streets? Someone somewhere authorised his release i take it? Great job,well done ffs.2 -
Alarmingly, the true scale of this problem is being kept from the general public. Just how many of these "High risk " Islamic fanatics are roaming around among us?
I recall a figure of 23,000 being touted as on the watch list just after a load of them were allowed to waltz back into the UK after they had gone to fight with ISIS.
The prison system is this country has been overrun by it so there is not much chance that they can be rehabilitated inside.
Never mind though, it's only the honest, law abiding public that have to bear the brunt of it all.6 -
It wasn't long ago that bringing back Jihadi's from Syria was a cause celebre both on this site and in wider society. I do hope that those proposing repatriation are having a serious rethink about it.4
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An ideology that is TAUGHT from birth, and is reinforced as being a perfect theology, about the perfect man, will NEVER be something that a deradicalisation programme can overturn. Especially when headed up by the very people that these warped individuals are told to hate by the perfect scriptures they read.
P*ssing against the wind spring to mind.
Any theist that believes in religious dogma and laws is an extremist. That alone means that there are literally hundreds of millions of extremists in the world. Let that sink in.
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Religion has no place in a progressive 2020 Britain. Outdated brainwashing that would be widely ridiculed by anyone with half a brain if introduced today.
The fact that children are exposed to it and indoctrinated at home and in state schools boils my piss.
It is given sacrosanct status for discromanatory ideologies for some obscure reason whilst at the same time we are told that criminals with penises should be allowed to reside in female prisons. Bizarre.
To be truly progressive societies we must have the maturity and open mindedness to have these debates at political level and not shy away from it because it is so ingrained in our culture and is likely to be uncomfortable.
It is completely illogical and irrational to promulgate this utter twaddle in 2020 Britain, or anywhere in the world for that matter.
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Equally being bought up by white racists telling you that you are the master race would be difficult to overturn.5
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Very interesting AUN. At least they are trying.AddickUpNorth said:1 -
Algarveaddick said:Equally being bought up by white racists telling you that you are the master race would be difficult to overturn.
Equally black racists. Equally Asian racists. Ad infinitum.6 -
Yep - don't disagree BBW. Just putting the balance out there in case anyone missed it.2
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When I posted my original comment, I wondered how long it would take you to come back with a question. I don't need to expand on that as my original statement is quite clear. This man was known to pose a threat to public safety yet our crazy laws allowed him to be released. Utter madness.Chizz said:
Can you expand on that?ME14addick said:
Law needs changing.Chizz said:
Under what law @ME14addick ?ME14addick said:Police time shouldn't be spent on following people who are considered a danger to the public. Lock them up and throw away the key.
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Well said ME.. Quite ridiculous to ask the original question to you, but not unsurprising.ME14addick said:
When I posted my original comment, I wondered how long it would take you to come back with a question. I don't need to expand on that as my original statement is quite clear. This man was known to pose a threat to public safety yet our crazy laws allowed him to be released. Utter madness.Chizz said:
Can you expand on that?ME14addick said:
Law needs changing.Chizz said:
Under what law @ME14addick ?ME14addick said:Police time shouldn't be spent on following people who are considered a danger to the public. Lock them up and throw away the key.3 -
Hasn't he become a martyr anyway now?Stig said:
Problem with that is that then they become martyrs.happyvalley said:
Apparently he pleaded guilty, in that case the death penalty should be re-introduced.Covered End said:Terrorist jailed in 2018 and released last week.
He was under police surveillance.
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Fair play to the Police though, another wrongun off to hell. Hopefully the victims have a full recovery.A serious review needs to be conducted why the twat was released early and what needs to change going forward, these radicalised inhumans will always be a threat whilst they still breathe, zero tolerance for me.5
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Can you hear yourself here? And detect no irony?Daarrzzetbum said:
these radicalised inhumans will always be a threat whilst they still breathe, zero tolerance for me.1 -
Whilst I don't really agree with our resident Daily Mail columnists, mainly because I don't really want to live in a country where you can be locked up forever or killed based on what you read or what you say, I do have to wonder how anyone could be considered safe to be on the streets if they need to be under constant surveillance by armed police.19
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I wonder how many other people were stabbed on the streets of London over the weekend?
Should the perpetrators of these acts be executed as well?
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So the high road is still not fully open. All the traffic is being diverted down roads that are mad at the best of times. Cars parked down both sides as it is. Absolute chaos. Been pretty much constant hooting outside my house since 2am. Not helped that its bin day and all the bin lorries are trying to get around...0
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Gang on gang violence is not the same as terrorism.Addickted said:I wonder how many other people were stabbed on the streets of London over the weekend?
Should the perpetrators of these acts be executed as well?5 -
What confuses me is that if you have a mental illness, you do not get released if you are thought to be a threat. Given what happened in December, why is this not the same for radicalised potential terrorists?5
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Addickted said:I wonder how many other people were stabbed on the streets of London over the weekend?
Should the perpetrators of these acts be executed as well?
According to that BBC article that cowardly evil **** stabbed a woman with her 2 young children who was also pushing a baby in a push chair.
I would execute him and those who carry out such atrocities with my bare hands.
Completely different to general knife crime in London.8 -
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This guy did this knowing he'd be shot by the police within seconds. Talk of execution is ironic as the aim of the guy was to be executed. I'm sure many of you would love to do it with your bare hands (or say you would at least) but you'd be executing a dead person0
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I think there is an issue we are in danger of overlooking. If he served his full three years and was still a danger, he shouldn't be let out until there is complete satisfaction it is safe to do so. So it isn't about letting him out early, but letting him out when we clearly do not know he is safe! With terrorists, maybe the sentence should be a time but with a proviso of that time being a minimum but release can only be made when it is considered safe to the public to do so, whether that is 3 years or 80 years!4
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How would we ever know he was safe?MuttleyCAFC said:I think there is an issue we are in danger of overlooking. If he served his full three years and was still a danger, he shouldn't be let out until there is complete satisfaction it is safe to do so. So it isn't about letting him out early, but letting him out when we clearly do not know he is safe!1 -
Both involve attacking and killing people because you dislike and disagree with them, with the further motive of instilling fear in other people so that you can dominate them. Therefore I feel that you haven’t really answered the question.ValleyGary said:
Gang on gang violence is not the same as terrorism.Addickted said:I wonder how many other people were stabbed on the streets of London over the weekend?
Should the perpetrators of these acts be executed as well?1 -
We'd be entering the land of whacko-sounding conspiracy theories if I answered this one fully, but let's just say that the Home Office probably knows exactly what it's doingMuttleyCAFC said:What confuses me is that if you have a mental illness, you do not get released if you are thought to be a threat. Given what happened in December, why is this not the same for radicalised potential terrorists?2 -
Much easier to rehabilitate a teen caught up in gang activity than it is with someone who has been brainwashed into a false ideology calling for death to all non-believers. I'm sure you knew that though.Mametz said:
Both involve attacking and killing people because you dislike and disagree with them, with the further motive of instilling fear in other people so that you can dominate them. Therefore I feel that you haven’t really answered the question.ValleyGary said:
Gang on gang violence is not the same as terrorism.Addickted said:I wonder how many other people were stabbed on the streets of London over the weekend?
Should the perpetrators of these acts be executed as well?7 -
Lobotomy.2
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Obviously by even replying to this I've been successfully trolled and the fish has been landed etc etc, but equally nobody should be allowed to get away with conflating an entire religion with a violent, cultist perversion of it. And yet somehow they always doBig_Bad_World said:An ideology that is TAUGHT from birth, and is reinforced as being a perfect theology, about the perfect man, will NEVER be something that a deradicalisation programme can overturn. Especially when headed up by the very people that these warped individuals are told to hate by the perfect scriptures they read.
P*ssing against the wind spring to mind.
Any theist that believes in religious dogma and laws is an extremist. That alone means that there are literally hundreds of millions of extremists in the world. Let that sink in.
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Load of bollox. Read what he's actually said. Nowhere does he advocate releasing people who are still a danger.blackpool72 said:
Load of bollox.Leuth said:None of you actually know the stats for rehabilitation. I agree that evaluation of risk should be better, but I can't - well, I can - believe what I'm reading: the death penalty for simply espousing extremist views?! Yes, prison, yes, attempts to rehabilitate, but you're saying we perpetually lock up or even kill these vulnerable, brainwashed young men rather than try to show them the evil of what they've fallen into and give them a way out? I'm sure that for every one of these that takes their shot at martyrdom, there are several others who return to society cured. But I don't know the stats either. Perhaps we should try to find out.
It's having views like this that get the scum released early to carry out their cowardly acts3 -
If anything, people like this require years of secure psychiatric treatment. Of course, our government doesn't believe in any of that mumbo-jumbo0
