Congestion charge my arse..... its more congested than ever these days, mostly thanks to the 1000s of Toyota Prius' driven by Uber cabbies, who don't have to pay, and most of whom couldn't drive a nail in. This badly affects my son who works nights in Waterloo, has to drive in before 10pm but is usually finished by 3-4am when no trains are running. What a shitshow, just another tax on the working person.
All private hire drivers (including ubers) have to pay cc. Taxis are exempt
If you make 10 journeys within the CC zone, the charge is pretty insignificant
Do Ubers make many CC zone journeys anyway? I imagine their main business is in the suburbs OR at night
Congestion charge my arse..... its more congested than ever these days, mostly thanks to the 1000s of Toyota Prius' driven by Uber cabbies, who don't have to pay, and most of whom couldn't drive a nail in. This badly affects my son who works nights in Waterloo, has to drive in before 10pm but is usually finished by 3-4am when no trains are running. What a shitshow, just another tax on the working person.
All private hire drivers (including ubers) have to pay cc. Taxis are exempt
If you make 10 journeys within the CC zone, the charge is pretty insignificant
Do Ubers make many CC zone journeys anyway? I imagine their main business is in the suburbs OR at night
No idea - just pointing out that all mini cabs have to pay, which is why it can be problematic to order a cab through an app to take you in the zone.
Congestion charge my arse..... its more congested than ever these days, mostly thanks to the 1000s of Toyota Prius' driven by Uber cabbies, who don't have to pay, and most of whom couldn't drive a nail in. This badly affects my son who works nights in Waterloo, has to drive in before 10pm but is usually finished by 3-4am when no trains are running. What a shitshow, just another tax on the working person.
All private hire drivers (including ubers) have to pay cc. Taxis are exempt
If you make 10 journeys within the CC zone, the charge is pretty insignificant
Do Ubers make many CC zone journeys anyway? I imagine their main business is in the suburbs OR at night
You want to see it on a Friday and Saturday night in the west end. They are everywhere so I'd say they do a hell of a lot in the cc zone.
It is correct they do have to pay congestion charge if they enter the zone as any vehicle with a green roundel does. However any journey that starts, ends or goes through the congestion zone a percentage gets charged to the passenger so the driver doesn't lose out. I'm not sure if they do enough, they might even make money from doing 10-20 journeys through the zone.
I am no fan of Johnson and his mob but unbelievable cynicism by Khan and his henchmen, in my opinion, to make political capital out of a crisis in the hope and belief that Johnson rather than he will attract the resulting opprobrium.
It seems to me that political advancement trumps the welfare of the people. 'Twas ever thus I suppose regardless of whether the incumbents were red or blue.
TfL needed a bailout, unquestionably. But that, vital bailout came with attachments, ie that the money had to be repaid. If it's cynical, it's a cynical plot by the Prime Minister, who would want nothing better than to see a Labour Mayor of London being forced to put up costs.
But it's not cynical, on either part. The government have had to bailout TfL. The money had to be repaid. And the right people to pay back a bailout to the government are those that drive, not those that use public transport.
And what about the people who work night shifts that mean they cannot use public transport but who are now going to have to fork out £15 a day extra?
The congestion charge was brought in to reverse the damage created, in the most part, by others. It's intrinsically unfair.
But that doesn't mean it isn't necessary.
What does that even mean?
.At the very least they could stop calling it a congestion charge
Congestion charge my arse..... its more congested than ever these days, mostly thanks to the 1000s of Toyota Prius' driven by Uber cabbies, who don't have to pay, and most of whom couldn't drive a nail in. This badly affects my son who works nights in Waterloo, has to drive in before 10pm but is usually finished by 3-4am when no trains are running. What a shitshow, just another tax on the working person.
All private hire drivers (including ubers) have to pay cc. Taxis are exempt
If you make 10 journeys within the CC zone, the charge is pretty insignificant
Do Ubers make many CC zone journeys anyway? I imagine their main business is in the suburbs OR at night
You want to see it on a Friday and Saturday night in the west end. They are everywhere so I'd say they do a hell of a lot in the cc zone.
It is correct they do have to pay congestion charge if they enter the zone as any vehicle with a green roundel does. However any journey that starts, ends or goes through the congestion zone a percentage gets charged to the passenger so the driver doesn't lose out. I'm not sure if they do enough, they might even make money from doing 10-20 journeys through the zone.
Up until now evenings weren't covered by the CC anyway
AND how many people take an Uber on Friday and Saturday nights before 10pm (the new cutoff) anyway? You imagine a lot of their business is in the middle of the night
Its not just over 60s its anyone with a freedom pass, due to my epilepsy I cant get a driving license so get a freedom pass, which entitles me to free travel ok buses, underground and DRL and anytime and National Rail after 9.30, but with the new measures I wont be able to get a bus, underground on DRL until after 9.30 either
Congestion charge my arse..... its more congested than ever these days, mostly thanks to the 1000s of Toyota Prius' driven by Uber cabbies, who don't have to pay, and most of whom couldn't drive a nail in. This badly affects my son who works nights in Waterloo, has to drive in before 10pm but is usually finished by 3-4am when no trains are running. What a shitshow, just another tax on the working person.
All private hire drivers (including ubers) have to pay cc. Taxis are exempt
If you make 10 journeys within the CC zone, the charge is pretty insignificant
Do Ubers make many CC zone journeys anyway? I imagine their main business is in the suburbs OR at night
You want to see it on a Friday and Saturday night in the west end. They are everywhere so I'd say they do a hell of a lot in the cc zone.
It is correct they do have to pay congestion charge if they enter the zone as any vehicle with a green roundel does. However any journey that starts, ends or goes through the congestion zone a percentage gets charged to the passenger so the driver doesn't lose out. I'm not sure if they do enough, they might even make money from doing 10-20 journeys through the zone.
Up until now evenings weren't covered by the CC anyway
AND how many people take an Uber on Friday and Saturday nights before 10pm (the new cutoff) anyway? You imagine a lot of their business is in the middle of the night
You are probably right. Like any mini cab company or taxi drivers around the country will find the busiest time will be during unsociable hours. Late at night.
However, if you work within the cc zone during 7-7 you only have to look at the amount of vehicles with the green roundel to see how many their actually are. The driver will always make that money back from the passenger paying the small charge.
Its not just over 60s its anyone with a freedom pass, due to my epilepsy I cant get a driving license so get a freedom pass, which entitles me to free travel ok buses, underground and DRL and anytime and National Rail after 9.30, but with the new measures I wont be able to get a bus, underground on DRL until after 9.30 either
You can still travel before 09.30 but you'll have to pay. It's done to deter people from travelling at the busiest times, just like the national bus passes for over 65s (which also have an evening cut off).
The other problem TfL have is the delay to the Elizabeth Line (ie crossrail) - not only the extra costs, but the missing income which would have been budgeted for when the fares freeze was worked out. TfL have had massive cuts certainly for backoffice staff to help try to balance the books over the last few years, but there was no way they'd be able to cover continuing to run a service - albeit a reduced service - when there's no income from buses and tubes are running but few passengers.
Essential services, including construction and maintenance should have free entry to central London on a job by job basis (ie a licencing scheme). Other traffic should be banned. A 24 hour good quality public transport system means that unless you need to transport goods or equipment in you don't need to drive.
Will be 7am-10pm from 22 June and be 7 days a week. Will be exceptions/reimbursements for NHS staff, care home staff, local authority & charity staff carrying out pandemic work & vulnerable patients.
Policy madness. Don't want you to use public transport due to the social distancing but then massively stop you from using your car which is THE safest way of not catching CV19.
And they say it's about air quality & not about the money. Bollox.
Will be 7am-10pm from 22 June and be 7 days a week. Will be exceptions/reimbursements for NHS staff, care home staff, local authority & charity staff carrying out pandemic work & vulnerable patients.
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Do Ubers make many CC zone journeys anyway? I imagine their main business is in the suburbs OR at night
Cinema, theatre and live music venues are all going to change forever.
It is correct they do have to pay congestion charge if they enter the zone as any vehicle with a green roundel does. However any journey that starts, ends or goes through the congestion zone a percentage gets charged to the passenger so the driver doesn't lose out. I'm not sure if they do enough, they might even make money from doing 10-20 journeys through the zone.
Should have stuck to season tickets. Money upfront instead of on the drip. And now the drip had stopped.
AND how many people take an Uber on Friday and Saturday nights before 10pm (the new cutoff) anyway? You imagine a lot of their business is in the middle of the night
However, if you work within the cc zone during 7-7 you only have to look at the amount of vehicles with the green roundel to see how many their actually are. The driver will always make that money back from the passenger paying the small charge.
But if it helps pay for another third world response to a worldwide pandemic I'm all for it.
Please sign it
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Impacts a lot of the comments on this thread
But you know I don't really believe that.
I work nights in the city and it will cost me a extra £240pm
I start work at 20:45
https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2020/june/temporary-changes-to-the-congestion-charge-to-secure-safe-recovery
And they say it's about air quality & not about the money. Bollox.
7am to 7pm would be more reasonable
Can see that causing TFL more work and how quick will the refund be paid? Look at the thread about holiday/air fare refunds.