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Karlan Grant - £15m move
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Of course he’s not shite but, if we had the luxury of £15 mill to spend, I’d hope we use it more wisely than on Grant.3
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The mismanagement at our club of underselling players is staggering!10
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He scores a lot of penalties. Not sure he is worth £15m but the market is crazy. Why do we never benefit though?1
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We would have been in the premier league years ago if we’d kept them.4
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Just you wait til we get a whopping 1.2 mil for Doughty...MuttleyCAFC said:He scores a lot of penalties. Not sure he is worth £15m but the market is crazy. Why do we never benefit though?9 -
Probably leave for £0 as I think his out of contractChunes said:
Just you wait til we get a whopping 1.2 mil for Doughty...MuttleyCAFC said:He scores a lot of penalties. Not sure he is worth £15m but the market is crazy. Why do we never benefit though?0 -
Good, glad Grant's on the move.
Went to Huddersfield away and I can't stand the Grant song they sing especially with how they say Grant in there accents.
Glad they won't be able to sing that song anymore.0 -
He has another year. Even if he didn’t we’d get compensation due to his age.RichyB said:
Probably leave for £0 as I think his out of contractChunes said:
Just you wait til we get a whopping 1.2 mil for Doughty...MuttleyCAFC said:He scores a lot of penalties. Not sure he is worth £15m but the market is crazy. Why do we never benefit though?
https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5e4fac730afc2/charlton-trigger-option-to-extend-alfie-doughtys-contract-to-2021
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We had this crazy policy of only offering two years to players it was obvious were going to rise in value. It is simply another example of Roland's lack of understanding of football. Look at Grant and Konsa, Taylor and Aribo. Think of the money lost on those four alone! Maybe add Gomez to that too! I'd say you might be in the region of £30 plus million!4
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Didnt help they started with the policy of giving players four year deals as we've seen with Naby who has thankfully turned into a good playerMuttleyCAFC said:We had this crazy policy of only offering two years to players it was obvious were going to rise in value. It is simply another example of Roland's lack of understanding of football. Look at Grant and Konsa, Taylor and Aribo. Think of the money lost on those four alone! Maybe add Gomez to that too!
Sadly those players were shit so we found we were stuck with them for long periods so changed their approach1 -
Yes, it is about spotting the young talent and giving them contracts in the knowledge they will be sold. If you leave that too late, the player knows they can run down their contract. You have to take an informed risk, but for the ones you get wrong, the ones you get right would much more than compensate.2
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I also heard that Huddersfield are close to Administration and had to sell.0
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Not saying its not true but how the f**k can that be the case?dickplumb said:I also heard that Huddersfield are close to Administration and had to sell.
They were in the Premier League last season so had the TV revenue, they've also got two years of parachute payments
If Huddersfield are close to going into Administration after all that they must be the WORST ran club in the country
Its not like they spent massive amounts of money either in the Premier League or when they came back down5 -
Gomez is probably worth double that alone nowMuttleyCAFC said:We had this crazy policy of only offering two years to players it was obvious were going to rise in value. It is simply another example of Roland's lack of understanding of football. Look at Grant and Konsa, Taylor and Aribo. Think of the money lost on those four alone! Maybe add Gomez to that too! I'd say you might be in the region of £30 plus million!3 -
Yes, but he was never going to be sold by us for that, even with a longer contract. Liverpool would probably have got him for £8m to £10m.2
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Then you can also factor in the many contracts we agreed to terminate mutually as the players were generally rubbish (Diarra the exception). That will have cost a pretty penny too. Some truly awful contract management under Duchatelet's reign.CAFCsayer said:
Gomez is probably worth double that alone nowMuttleyCAFC said:We had this crazy policy of only offering two years to players it was obvious were going to rise in value. It is simply another example of Roland's lack of understanding of football. Look at Grant and Konsa, Taylor and Aribo. Think of the money lost on those four alone! Maybe add Gomez to that too! I'd say you might be in the region of £30 plus million!1 -
What Liverpool are good at, and I presume other Premier League clubs are too is recruiting players that have the right attributes. They have a team of technicians and use computer modelling which is incredibly advanced.
We live in an age where everything a player does is monitored and recorded digitally. For say a midfielder, the computer knows what are effective passes (more likely to lead to a goal) and the choices the player makes can be viewed in that context. It allows you to identify strengths that may be harder to pick up visually and some players will flatter to deceive that way.
I am saying there is still a risk, but a lesser one. One thing I have noticed visually is the quality of Doughty's delivery in terms of danger has greatly improved. It is something that would be interesting to see what it looks like to Liverpool's technicians. I wouldn't be surprised if a big club came in for him in the summer.0 -
MuttleyCAFC said:He scores a lot of penalties. Not sure he is worth £15m but the market is crazy. Why do we never benefit though?I think £15m is a pretty good price in the current market. He's 22, here's how his stats look:17/18 - League 2 - 15 games, 9 goals18/19 - League 1 - 28 games, 14 goals, 5 assists18/19 - Premier League - 13 games, 4 goals, 1 assist19/20 - Championship - 42 games, 18 goals, 4 assistsThose stats are ridiculous. Every season he plays at a higher level, and each time he delivers massively. From his Crawley loan onward he has immediately adapted to whatever division he's in and become the team's main goalscorer. He was key at Crawley, huge alongside Taylor in our L1 promotion season, Huddersfield's top scorer in the Premier League despite jumping two divisions to be there, and has kept them up with his goals this season despite them being all over the place. He has 52 career goals and 15 assists across four different divisions aged 22. Frankly £15m sounds like a bit of a steal; Spurs paid £25m plus a player for Ryan Sessegnon and he's played 6 games. They paid £10m for Jack Clarke who couldn't get a look in at Leeds or QPR all season. Sheff Utd spent £17.5m rising to £20m on Oli McBurnie and he's picked up 6 goals and a 16 month driving ban for drink driving. There's plenty more examples, but if you're a team looking at playing in the Premier League next season, £15m for a proven goalscorer is a steal. Obviously COVID may bring reductions in the transfer market, but not so much that getting a player who already has more than 50 career goals and didn't look out of place in the Prem a year ago for that price isn't great value.19
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golfaddick said:
Karlan who.....?LargeAddick said:Can’t wait to see what Golfie thinks :-))
Doesn't surprise me though. The only thing in life that is guaranteed is death, taxes & ex-Charlton players being sold on for more than we got for them in the first place.
We bought Killer back for less than we sold him!
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Huddersfield Chairman states 6 weeks ago many EFL clubs will fold.
Cowley's Brothers reward for Keeping Huddersfield in the Championship is the sack after not seeing eye to eye on the way forward.
Day after sacking, Huddersfield accept 15 million bid for Karlan Grant who have plenty of pace and has scored goals in the Premier in the 5 months he was there in a truly shite side.
Both Huddersfield and Stoke have mediocre and overrated players on big wages in the Championship. Both have stayed up by just a couple of points.
Karlan Grant is not over rated and I wish him well. He form will waiver as most strikers/ wingers/ forwards do, depending on service, fitness etc.
Some Charlton fans hating our ex players because they don't stay at a poorly run club has been running longer that the mouse trap in the west end. (Only exception was Murray part one of his tenure when Parker was offered a massive loyalty bonus to stay and 24k a week)9 -
£500k up front and the rest in instalments and based on incentivesChunes said:
Just you wait til we get a whopping 1.2 mil for Doughty...MuttleyCAFC said:He scores a lot of penalties. Not sure he is worth £15m but the market is crazy. Why do we never benefit though?1 -
if huddersfield are that close to administration, I would have offered £5m for him0
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The Crawley Loan DID make a difference to him, as it gave him a regular run of games up front and some confidenceExiled_Addick said:
Karlan Grant is demonstrably not shit. When he “couldn’t hit a cows arse with a banjo” he was a teenage striker being constantly played out of position on the wing in some of the most poorly managed and ill constructed squads this club has ever seen.Bedsaddick said:
They are both shit . Two season ago he couldn’t hit a cows arse with a banjo with us and we loaned him out to Crawley and now he’s a 15 million pound player ? Nonsense . What championship club has that sort of money to pay for him and which premier league club is stupid enough to do the same ?Callumcafc said:Young English striker with goals in the Premier League. Of course he’s worth £15 million in today’s market - you can argue that the market is mad but the price is about right within the market as it currently standsFirst comparison off the top of my head, Bournemouth paid £19 million for Solanke. And he’s sh*te.
Since turning 20 in September 2017 he has score 49 goals across all 4 divisions. That’s a fantastic record.And this idea that the Crawley loan made him is a bit of a fallacy as well. He scored 4 goals in 12 games for us leading up to his loan. He was already in decent form and would’ve been a lot more use than the various wastes of space we had to play up front for the rest of that season.
Before then loan he had ONE goal in L1 that season, 1 in the FA Cup and 2 in the Checkatrade (including 1 against Swansea U23s!). Nobody expected the transformation he would show the following season
And to be fair to the club, we were unlucky with his contract situation, as with the rape case hanging over him in the summer of 2018, you can hardly blame the club for not offering him a new contract then, especially as nobody would have expected him to be as good as he was.
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Mendonca In Asdas said:We would have been in the premier league years ago if we’d kept them.
Mike Bailey, Len Glover, Billy Bonds, Alan Campbell, Marvin Hinton, Paul Walsh, Paul Elliott, Lee Bowyer, Jon Jo Shelvey, Jo Gomez, Jo Aribo, etc, effing etc.
Why are @Mendonca In Asdas comment a LOL ?0 -
Good luck to him, surpised a Prem club hasn't taken a punt on him tbf - unless of course it's Leeds who have bought him.
The issue here is that a Championship club has £15mill to spend on one player, while we've been living off free transfers and loans. It's insane.3 -
If I was the Chairman of the Championship club about to sign Grant I would be making a quick call to Taylor's agent to see what his situation is.
Reunite those 2 up front and it could be a comparatively cheap way to buy your way into the Premier League.9 -
I reckon Wednesday are signing him as they need to get someone in to get them out of the minus points they will be starting with next season and need to sign them before the transfer embargo his handed out0
