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Sheff Weds Decision 12 points Next season

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  • EFL in major cock up shocker
  • I just saw the article, didnt realise it came from Alan Nixon though

    Means I'll ignore it as a load of rubbish then
  • Words fail me yet again. My hate for the EFL knows no bounds. Disgrace of an organisation. 
  • edited August 2020
    Jac_52 said:
    Alan Fucking Nixon with more joy for us

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12413633/efl-relegate-wednesday-bungled-charlton/

    THE EFL wanted to relegate Sheffield Wednesday — but bungled how they handled the case.

    An explosive report by an independent disciplinary commission explains why the Owls escaped with a Financial Fair Play penalty that was suspended to next season.

    Sheffield Wednesday survived at Charltons expense
    Sheffield Wednesday survived at Charlton's expenseCredit: Getty Images - Getty

    It went against the EFL’s push for a full 12 points to be stripped from Wednesday for going £18million above their limit during a three-year period.

    Such a punishment would have put Wednesday in the Championship’s bottom three and saved Charlton from the drop.

    Instead the IDC panel let off the Owls because the EFL took too long to bring charges — as well as pursuing the wrong case first.

    The governing body initially wanted Wednesday officials to be sanctioned for their part in owner Dejphon Chansiri buying the Hillsborough stadium.

    That case was dismissed and by the time their focus turned to the FFP offence, it was too late for them to handle it quickly.

    The report said the penalty for the first breach should have been imposed before the end of the 2018-19 season. However, that would not have sent the club down in that campaign — so the EFL went after them in the season just ended.

    Football chiefs also revealed they planned to dock points from Derby if they are found guilty of a similar offence and apply that penalty next season too.

    INCONSISTENCY

    The inconsistency in the EFL’s punishments has also been hammered in the report, which will be published tomorrow.

    The commission felt the eventual Wednesday hearing was held so late, it would have been unfair to dock them points this season.

    It said: “If the penalty had been applied at a very much earlier stage, the club would have had the opportunity to improve its position by performance. Because of the delayed hearing it will have been deprived of that opportunity.

    “The evidence  indicates that the club resumed with a reduced squad as some players would not play beyond June 30, leading to an under-strength team.

    All totally irrelevant to when a points deduction could've been applied. If they've been found guilty then why should they be afforded the right to be able to pick enough points not to be relegated at someone else's expense. Nothing to do with the season being concluded as the EFL would have us believe.

    Yes, they had an under strength squad after June 30th, as did us and Hull (who lost their players before the 30th June), another total irrelevance. 

    Still, it's Alan Nixon so probably all rubbish.
  • The latter is absolute nonsense. They knew they had been charged in November, they knew they could have up to a 21 point deduction. Now the argument is that they should have been given an opportunity to try harder, when they knew all along that 12 pets was probably the minimum. 
  • The article says the report is to be published tomorrow. Does anyone know where to find it?
  • The latter is absolute nonsense. They knew they had been charged in November, they knew they could have up to a 21 point deduction. Now the argument is that they should have been given an opportunity to try harder, when they knew all along that 12 pets was probably the minimum. 
    And if I knew they were guilty, they must have known.
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    Absolute joke! So they’ve got away with it this season because they were charged in November and not at the end of last season? Ridiculous!!!
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  • edited August 2020
    The EFL screw us over with this and then block our attempts to rebuild by restricting us from bringing in players.

    Their incompetence and actions (or more lack of efficient action) have cost us millions and put our club on the brink. We should protest at the EFL offices next.

  • Amazed how this has slipped under the radar , and received very little attention outside of the clubs involved! 

    It’s an absolute travesty that we have been effectively punished for this - and I’m amazed (although not surprised) that the EFL haven’t tried to rectify the ruling! 

    Their bungled attempt at getting justice for their league teams has meant a total injustice for Charlton! 
    Action Needs to Be taken ASAP, although I fear no one will bother now
  • sammy391 said:
    Amazed how this has slipped under the radar , and received very little attention outside of the clubs involved! 

    It’s an absolute travesty that we have been effectively punished for this - and I’m amazed (although not surprised) that the EFL haven’t tried to rectify the ruling! 

    Their bungled attempt at getting justice for their league teams has meant a total injustice for Charlton! 
    Action Needs to Be taken ASAP, although I fear no one will bother now
    You will probably have seen posts from me before questioning when the IDC reasons for the Sheff Weds decision would be forthcoming.

    The reason being - that the IDC recommendation to the EFL is one that it is not binding on the EFL to accept without challenge.

    At the time that the IDC recommended sanction was announced (on the day before the Cup Final) the EFL in the person of its chairman Rick Parry stated that the EFL would await to see the decision making process by which the IDC reached their decision before coming to any conclusions.

    Those decisions have now been announced (and the decision to defer the points penalty to next season on the grounds that Sheff Weds if penalised this season would not have had the opportunity (this opportunity effectively to utilise the profits and advantages gained by cheating)
    to catch up the 12 points -- is quite staggeringly breathtaking.

    I would expect the EFL (as they did in the Macclesfield case) to convene early next week and take advice on appealing the IDC decision given the spurious nature of the reasons provided by the IDC in arriving at their recommendation.

    Having previously thought this can't get as far as a civil law case I now think it could and it could certainly I believe be considered by the Court of Arbitration for Sport because the IDC reason for deferring to next season is so blatantly unfair and so heavily weighted in the transgressor's favour (Sheff Wed) rather than the innocent party (Charlton Athletic) that even natural justice is, in this case, being seen not to be done.

    Having awaited two weeks to see the reasons provided for the deferral I am shocked that the IDC have not constructed something more robust to defend their position - this is a level of incompetence beyond that which anyone could imagine from an Independent Commission and the EFL should act swiftly to get back control of the situation. 

    Anything other than an EFL appeal must surely see Rick Parry resign as Chair.
    Will the EFL appeal it?
  • They do have a choice, and that is not to relegate us or Wigan and have two extra relegation places next season with both Wigan and Wednesday and possibly Derby starting on -12 points.
    Derby will probably be the season after next knowing the EFL.

  • So... Are Charlton going to legally challenge the way this went down?
  • Yes, it is a cop out. Something a stable club could really have a go at. Maybe not to get our place back but to get compensation. Would rather this is done by new owners for obvious reasons. I recall West Ham had to pay Sheffield United millions.
    It was £6 million. A drop in the ocean compared to what we "lost".  Then we appointed Bryan Robson as manger..................FFS
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  • From The Guardian.

    Another panel, arbitrating on the 12-point sanction levied on Sheffield Wednesday for breaching profit and sustainability rules (P&S), is critical of the EFL’s investigation into overspending at the Hillsborough club and the league’s decision to add a secondary charge of a breach of good faith, which was ultimately dismissed.

    The panel cites the timeliness of the investigation and the complications added by a second charge for the decision to deduct points from Wednesday not in the season just gone but the next one, a move that kept the Owls in the Championship at the expense of Charlton. “It [would have been] inappropriate to impose the deduction in the current extended season,” the document says, “but to postpone its effect until next season when the onus will be on the club to redeem its position on the playing field.”

    In its findings, however, the panel found that Wednesday officials had backdated signatures on key documents regarding the sale of Hillsborough from the club to its owner, Dejphon Chansiri, including documents regarding the valuation of the deal itself. The changing of the dates meant that Wednesday passed P&S tests they would otherwise have failed.

  • So basically......" you cheated but we are now giving you enough time (a whole season) to be able to make up the 12 points & you also now have 2 months in which you can sign players to do just that"

    FFS !!!

    More emails to the EFL tomorrow (on their special form of course) demanding that they appeal this IMMEDIATELY. 
  • Does anyone know who made up the independent panel? I have messaged the EFL twice to ask and have not had the courtesy of an acknowledgment.  
  • So basically......" you cheated but we are now giving you enough time (a whole season) to be able to make up the 12 points & you also now have 2 months in which you can sign players to do just that"

    FFS !!!

    More emails to the EFL tomorrow (on their special form of course) demanding that they appeal this IMMEDIATELY. 
    Yes, you have cheated but we want to give you a chance to escape punishment. It's only fair!
  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53803735

    Confirmed on the BBC 

    The EFL wanted to apply Sheffield Wednesday's 12-point deduction to the 2019-20 season, but was not able to do so because it also pursued a charge against the club that it had deliberately concealed information around its ground sale, which was subsequently dismissed.

    I hope TS sues the arse out of the EFL after he takes over
    But...why was that dismissed? They backdated the payments. They DID conceal information???

    Regardless, it looks like the EFL pursued charges that would have made no difference (9 points was enough to relegate them, so the added points for anything more were unnecessary) and the delay that caused has meant the 12 point penalty that was ultimately applied would not be applied this season.

    Utter disgrace.
  • edited August 2020
    How can they allow that to factor into their decision?

    Whether the Wednesday team would respond to a deduction positively or not is moot! It has nothing to do with whether the punishment should be applied or not.

    I'm absolutely baffled. 

    And this is supposed to be fair on Wednesday, why is the focus on being fair to the team that BROKE THE RULES? What about the team that is now relegated?
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