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Can You Teach Composure When Through On Goal?

Watching the game on Saturday, I thought it was an excellent win in extremely difficult conditions.

The miss from 6 yards out from  Smythe concerned me though, do that against a team that is equal to you in quality, in a tight game, and it will come back to bite you, if Bonne was still with us, he would have got absolute pelters for it.

We got away with it, it didn’t matter in the end, but can you teach composure under pressure to put chances away, or do you either just have it as an instinct or you don’t?

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  • I would say that a sports psychologist can help, in conjunction with a coach that trains you to repeat the same action repeatedly a certain number of times in a limited time. Then it should become a reflex.
  • Tony Cascarino's autobiography has a great bit on this. He recounts the voices in his head as he breaks clean through on goal but still some way out. I think for Gillingham vs Chelsea, but I might be wrong.

    I paraphrase, but it's along the lines of "You're shit, Cascarino, you're going to miss this, you shouldn't even be playing football, who the f*** do you think you are, you're useless". He missed the chance.


    I think with Smyth's miss though, he didn't have time for that thought process, he took an instinctive swipe and missed. Maybe a bit keyed up generally so snatched at it, but no time to do anything other than react. The best goals I ever scored were like that, if i had time to think, I'd invariably make the wrong choice and screw up.

  • In terms of Smyth I dont think he connected with the ball properly was as simple as that

    The height of the ball with his leg makes me think it came off his shin, had he hesitated letting the ball drop properly then I reckon he'd have scored

    I guess it all happens so quickly, the players must curse themselves when they look back and see just how much time they have
  • In this instance Symthe just took the wrong option when striking the ball. The way it was coming over with his body position, he should have been lashing with low with his laces instead of trying to side foot it in.

    When the ball is dropping like that, coming through with your side foot is going to add height when you connect cleanly with it, especially when adding some power. Bit of confidence, some coaching and as jimmy says above some repetitive actions, that's going in 9 times out of 10 if you hit it correctly.
  • Definitely a confidence thing to improve it, but you can't really improve an awkward miskick. That's just something that happens sometimes
  • edited October 2020
    I remember Raheem Sterling when he was at Liverpool. He used to panic and scuff the ball when he had a chance. Also missed some easy tap-ins. Fair to say he's a lot more clinical and composed these days.
  • Even as a crap Sunday league footballer I struggled way more with chances I had time to think about. Everything I was ever proud happened more instinctively.
  • edited October 2020
    Think it just boils down to confidence. When you are on a goalscoring run, everything goes in - 30 yarders, tap ins, scuffs etc etc. But when you are on a barren run it all goes wrong - then you start snatching at everything (bit like I used to in the Venue at 3am in the morning).
  • I think a lot of it comes naturally. 

    His past scoring record would suggest it doesn't come so naturally for him, but I'm not sure how often he's played as and out and out striker? He seems to like doing the donkey work.

    Bogle has got into some good positions and made poor choices. But it's early days and he may be rusty still.

    It's an old adage, but once they get one and all that...
  • Even as a crap Sunday league footballer I struggled way more with chances I had time to think about. Everything I was ever proud happened more instinctively.
    This 100%
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  • It's far too early to start psychoanalysing the bloke. He's had just 200 minutes of football and missed one clear chance.
  • IdleHans said:
    Tony Cascarino's autobiography has a great bit on this. He recounts the voices in his head as he breaks clean through on goal but still some way out. I think for Gillingham vs Chelsea, but I might be wrong.

    I paraphrase, but it's along the lines of "You're shit, Cascarino, you're going to miss this, you shouldn't even be playing football, who the f*** do you think you are, you're useless". He missed the chance.


    I think with Smyth's miss though, he didn't have time for that thought process, he took an instinctive swipe and missed. Maybe a bit keyed up generally so snatched at it, but no time to do anything other than react. The best goals I ever scored were like that, if i had time to think, I'd invariably make the wrong choice and screw up.

    I remember seeing the replay between Gillingham v Everton in the Cup and this may be the incident. Gillingham played out of their skins and late in extra time with the scores level Cascarino missed a one on one. Gillingham won the toss to have the second replay at home and, of course, got stuffed in the second replay. 
  • The great goal scorers have instinct, visualisation, are in control of their emotions and also have a touch of arrogance. 

    Instinct because it is important to know what the right thing to do so given the situation. Visualisation because that is the confirmation that your instinct is telling you. Control because nerves will undo everything. And arrogance because, invariably, it's you against the keeper and you have to send a message to him that you are in charge but also because you have to believe in your own ability enough to forget about the inevitable misses.

    Practise does help instinct. Visualisation also comes through doing that time and again successfully. Nerves can be a confidence issue and overcoming that is difficult because you have to be able to shut everything else out. And arrogance can be a natural commodity but can also come through experience and success. 

    I was a relatively decent centre forward but was hopeless at penalties because there was simply too much time to overthink things. One on ones I was good at though but I put this down to the fact that I started my football career as a keeper (was in the same youth team as John Bumstead for those old enough to remember him). I knew what a keeper was likely to do and always felt I was in charge which is also where the arrogance comes. 

    Michael Owen was a great goal scorer but his penalty record for Liverpool was appalling - he missed 10 of the 23 he took. Whereas someone like Jan Molby, who you would never describe as a natural goal scorer, netted 42 of the 44 he took. Matt Le Tissier was both a scorer of great goals and also the best penalty taker of all time. Alan Shearer was (and Harry Kane is) a great goal scorer and an excellent penalty taker.

    So I think you can teach it though it is definitely easier for those that it comes more natural to. However, in any event, unless an individual has the coachability and also desire to repeat the exercise, time and time again, they will never be more successful than not. 
  • Great question.

    Confidence, instinct, repetition, quality assists, focus and the control of the adrenaline rush. Most regular goal scorers have utter belief when they are on a run.

    Big Josh Magennis looked a sublime striker against Bristol Rovers (only home game I missed that season) yet he rarely looked like he had a poaches instinct.

    Sterling needs and gets loads of chances at City. He gets into great goal scoring positions but he misses more chances than he scores. (Poor strikers struggle to get into those positions)

    Patrick Bamford scored 16 in 45 in the Championship but there were still question marks about him as a striker.
    6 in 6 after stepping up to the Premier and his 3 strikes against Villa were excellent. 
    He could match last season's total in less games this season.

    Born or made; the jury is still out but born looks favourite.

    The supreme goal scorers like Clive Mendonca could score if he had time to think about it or a split second. 


  • I think emphasis composure can be taken too far, instinct/improvisation etc still very much have a place - something like Henry's backheeled goal for example. That's not something you practice time after time on a training ground but he had a natural instinct for where he was relative to the goal/keeper/etc.
  • Great question.

    Confidence, instinct, repetition, quality assists, focus and the control of the adrenaline rush. Most regular goal scorers have utter belief when they are on a run.

    Big Josh Magennis looked a sublime striker against Bristol Rovers (only home game I missed that season) yet he rarely looked like he had a poaches instinct.

    Sterling needs and gets loads of chances at City. He gets into great goal scoring positions but he misses more chances than he scores. (Poor strikers struggle to get into those positions)

    Patrick Bamford scored 16 in 45 in the Championship but there were still question marks about him as a striker.
    6 in 6 after stepping up to the Premier and his 3 strikes against Villa were excellent. 
    He could match last season's total in less games this season.

    Born or made; the jury is still out but born looks favourite.

    The supreme goal scorers like Clive Mendonca could score if he had time to think about it or a split second. 


    I think that this is a very valid point and it also differentiates goal scorers to defenders. How many times do we reckon the forward is first to the ball when the keeper parries it?

    Ivan Toney's opening goal against Sheffield Wednesday is a fine example of this. A Brentford player shoots. There are six defenders in and around the only attacker, Toney, but he is the only one anticipating that the keeper might save it cleanly and the ball is in the back of the net before any of them can react.
  • To completely avoid answering the question this miss was more down to technique than composure.

    If he had that same chance he would probably score 8 out of 10 times. 

    Even the great goal scorers miss them some times. 
  • I remember once listening to a talk from a sports psychologist, and a lot of it was about keeping positive thoughts in your mind from where you'd succeeded, so that your inner voices are saying that you will score, hit that winning shot etc

    Thus if you're Paul Smyth, you wouldn't watch that miss 10 times to stop you repeating the miss next time, as by doing that the first thought in your mind when you get a chance would be "I'm going to miss". Instead you'd watch clips where you'd scored, so that you'd have positive thoughts when faced with a chance.

    Of course if you're genuinely not good enough that won't work, but for professional footballers at a reasonable that shouldn't be the case. Pro footballers would expect to score Pratley's goal nearly every time in training, but the percentage actually scoring in a pressure situation will be far lower.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    To completely avoid answering the question this miss was more down to technique than composure.

    If he had that same chance he would probably score 8 out of 10 times. 

    Even the great goal scorers miss them some times. 
    I would like to think, though, that  Smyth has had more than the odd chance in the 27 games, especially as 20 of those games were in League 1 for Wycombe last season, since he last scored which suggests that there might be an issue of confidence in front of goal. 
  • edited October 2020
    Practice practice practice.

    Snooker players spend hour upon hour practicing potting balls 

    Golfers spend hours on the range, in practice bunkers & on the putting green. I heard it said that Tiger Woods would have to hole 100 putts on the trott before packing up. If he missed the 99th he'd start all over again until he holed 100 out of 100.

    David Beckham would stay long after training had finished practicing his free kicks.

    Should be no different with other players. The 4 strikers should have a specialist coach throwing balls to them & making them score 10 out of 10 until its second nature. I used to love watching the players warm up on a match day. Time & again the strikers (plus 2 or 3 midfielders) would spend 5 mins doing their drills. Not many scored.....one ones that did were not usually the strikers. The supporters in the Covered end were in more danger than the goal keeper. No wonder we don't score many. No need to spend hours during the week practicing passing or fitness training. Spend time doing what is most important - scoring a goal.

    As for Smyth on Saturday -  It was not an easy chance & it wasn't a 1 on 1 where he had time to compose himself (or alternatively too long to think about it) but he had time to take a touch or wait until it was at the right height. He snatched at it. It does happen to all players but I would put my money on Mendonca, Killer, Bent or Hunt scoring it. It was a poachers /natural goalscorers chance & Smyth is neither.
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  • Great question.

    Confidence, instinct, repetition, quality assists, focus and the control of the adrenaline rush. Most regular goal scorers have utter belief when they are on a run.

    Big Josh Magennis looked a sublime striker against Bristol Rovers (only home game I missed that season) yet he rarely looked like he had a poaches instinct.

    Sterling needs and gets loads of chances at City. He gets into great goal scoring positions but he misses more chances than he scores. (Poor strikers struggle to get into those positions)

    Patrick Bamford scored 16 in 45 in the Championship but there were still question marks about him as a striker.
    6 in 6 after stepping up to the Premier and his 3 strikes against Villa were excellent. 
    He could match last season's total in less games this season.

    Born or made; the jury is still out but born looks favourite.

    The supreme goal scorers like Clive Mendonca could score if he had time to think about it or a split second. 


    I think that this is a very valid point and it also differentiates goal scorers to defenders. How many times do we reckon the forward is first to the ball when the keeper parries it?

    Ivan Toney's opening goal against Sheffield Wednesday is a fine example of this. A Brentford player shoots. There are six defenders in and around the only attacker, Toney, but he is the only one anticipating that the keeper might save it cleanly and the ball is in the back of the net before any of them can react.
    I think people have nailed it.

    Goalscoring is an instinctive thing.  There's almost an element of 'Time slowing down' ... at least there was for me in my playing days.

    But this aspect of anticipation is so important.  As a goalscorer, you have to expect the defender to make a mistake.  Most times he wont, and you have got it wrong.  But when he does ... you are ready.

    I watched Smyth's first game for us and saw more or less immediately why he doesn't score too many.  He reacts, he doesn't anticipate.

    Can you teach anticipation?  Don't hold your breath.
  • Dave Rudd said:
    Great question.

    Confidence, instinct, repetition, quality assists, focus and the control of the adrenaline rush. Most regular goal scorers have utter belief when they are on a run.

    Big Josh Magennis looked a sublime striker against Bristol Rovers (only home game I missed that season) yet he rarely looked like he had a poaches instinct.

    Sterling needs and gets loads of chances at City. He gets into great goal scoring positions but he misses more chances than he scores. (Poor strikers struggle to get into those positions)

    Patrick Bamford scored 16 in 45 in the Championship but there were still question marks about him as a striker.
    6 in 6 after stepping up to the Premier and his 3 strikes against Villa were excellent. 
    He could match last season's total in less games this season.

    Born or made; the jury is still out but born looks favourite.

    The supreme goal scorers like Clive Mendonca could score if he had time to think about it or a split second. 


    I think that this is a very valid point and it also differentiates goal scorers to defenders. How many times do we reckon the forward is first to the ball when the keeper parries it?

    Ivan Toney's opening goal against Sheffield Wednesday is a fine example of this. A Brentford player shoots. There are six defenders in and around the only attacker, Toney, but he is the only one anticipating that the keeper might save it cleanly and the ball is in the back of the net before any of them can react.
    I think people have nailed it.

    Goalscoring is an instinctive thing.  There's almost an element of 'Time slowing down' ... at least there was for me in my playing days.

    But this aspect of anticipation is so important.  As a goalscorer, you have to expect the defender to make a mistake.  Most times he wont, and you have got it wrong.  But when he does ... you are ready.

    I watched Smyth's first game for us and saw more or less immediately why he doesn't score too many.  He reacts, he doesn't anticipate.

    Can you teach anticipation?  Don't hold your breath.
    That is an interesting question and rather than teaching anticipation I would suggest changing the mindset to expectation. Expect the keeper to parry the ball. Expect the defender to miss the ball when it comes across. Expect the keeper's first touch not to be great when it is played back to him.

    My son is more than a decent wicket keeper. I can take no credit whatsoever for that bar one thing. I drilled into him from an early age, to expect the batsman to either miss the ball completely or, even more importantly, to nick it. Because you cannot react to a ball quick enough, especially standing up to a bowler bowling at 70mph plus, if you do not expect him to nick it.
  • Dave Rudd said:
    Great question.

    Confidence, instinct, repetition, quality assists, focus and the control of the adrenaline rush. Most regular goal scorers have utter belief when they are on a run.

    Big Josh Magennis looked a sublime striker against Bristol Rovers (only home game I missed that season) yet he rarely looked like he had a poaches instinct.

    Sterling needs and gets loads of chances at City. He gets into great goal scoring positions but he misses more chances than he scores. (Poor strikers struggle to get into those positions)

    Patrick Bamford scored 16 in 45 in the Championship but there were still question marks about him as a striker.
    6 in 6 after stepping up to the Premier and his 3 strikes against Villa were excellent. 
    He could match last season's total in less games this season.

    Born or made; the jury is still out but born looks favourite.

    The supreme goal scorers like Clive Mendonca could score if he had time to think about it or a split second. 


    I think that this is a very valid point and it also differentiates goal scorers to defenders. How many times do we reckon the forward is first to the ball when the keeper parries it?

    Ivan Toney's opening goal against Sheffield Wednesday is a fine example of this. A Brentford player shoots. There are six defenders in and around the only attacker, Toney, but he is the only one anticipating that the keeper might save it cleanly and the ball is in the back of the net before any of them can react.
    I think people have nailed it.

    Goalscoring is an instinctive thing.  There's almost an element of 'Time slowing down' ... at least there was for me in my playing days.

    But this aspect of anticipation is so important.  As a goalscorer, you have to expect the defender to make a mistake.  Most times he wont, and you have got it wrong.  But when he does ... you are ready.

    I watched Smyth's first game for us and saw more or less immediately why he doesn't score too many.  He reacts, he doesn't anticipate.

    Can you teach anticipation?  Don't hold your breath.
    That is an interesting question and rather than teaching anticipation I would suggest changing the mindset to expectation. Expect the keeper to parry the ball. Expect the defender to miss the ball when it comes across. Expect the keeper's first touch not to be great when it is played back to him.

    My son is more than a decent wicket keeper. I can take no credit whatsoever for that bar one thing. I drilled into him from an early age, to expect the batsman to either miss the ball completely or, even more importantly, to nick it. Because you cannot react to a ball quick enough, especially standing up to a bowler bowling at 70mph plus, if you do not expect him to nick it.
    Perfect!  I go along with that.

    But I'm not sure how well it can be taught.  It's a mindset ... built on failure (as, most times, you will be disappointed).  But it sounds like you have improved things for your lad. 

    Maybe give Jacko a call?


  • As for Smyth on Saturday -  It was not an easy chance & it wasn't a 1 on 1 where he had time to compose himself (or alternatively too long to think about it) but he had time to take a touch or wait until it was at the right height.
    He snatched at it. It does happen to all players but I would put my money on Mendonca, Killer, Bent or Hunt scoring it. It was a poachers /natural goalscorers chance & Smyth is neither.
    Going to agree with you, Golfie (don't fall off your chair :smile:).
    We see that Smyth's ability is running onto and with the ball. A 6-yard box poacher isn't a role he's particularly familiar with. 

    Inniss' header was dropping out of the sky, not the ideal trajectory for a volley.
    Smyth suddenly becames aware and turns, body shape not adjusted, trying to keep his eye on the ball; he can't see that the keeper is indecisive and doesn't know whether to come or stay - and that he has time or could possibly take a touch and pass the ball into the net.

    Plenty of experienced and better strikers than Smyth would also have missed that.
    Those that get their body shape instinctively adjusted and ball concentration absolute, score. 

    But then they've spent their whole career being trained to do that; it's what they specialist in.




  • Dedication. Dedication. Dedication's what you need ....
  • edited October 2020
    I don't think we can look at one chance and decide there is an issue. Otherwise we could say Sterling lacks composure for the chance he missed recently in the Champion's League. If it keeps happening, then yes. I think what Smyth did wrong was not being aware he could take a touch. Hitting the ball first time, there is always a possibility of a miss kick. To be fair, there wasn't a lot of thinking time.

    In terms of teaching composure, I think it is an area that can be improved through coaching, but some players almost instinctively know what to do and taught players will always have that delay. Some players that instinctively make the right choices have issues when they have time to think.

    I did have a striker playing for me that scored lots of goals but could never score a one on one. I was contemplating telling him to put his first one on one to the keeper's right, the second to his left and repeat and take that thought process out of the equation. I thought that might take some of the doubt away and allow him to focus on executing the finish. But I decided against it in the end. Instead I just gave him encouragement but he still missed one on ones. He was our top scorer and the League top scorer though and I was happy with that. 
  • As a young lad, I played as a striker. I loved penalties and only missed one out of 17 (yes, I used to keep records of everything in those days). One on ones were a different kettle of fish. I remember missing two in about two minutes late in a game that we lost 3-2 or 4-3. I soon moved back a line and became a midfield clogger which was lot easier.
  • Connor Washington could teach it!
  • Connor Washington could teach it!
    Very composed !
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