Thomas to lose £20m this season

Rob7Lee

ElliotCAFC

Thomas’ son Martin told me that they’ve spent over 100k on a machine that monitors muscle injuries, mainly hamstrings - apparently we were judging muscle injuries by the naked eye before. I’m paraphrasing of course but that’s the gist of it. 

We’re also looking to buy a striker in January, strongly hinted its Ronnie Schwartz. 

Chris_from_Sidcup

ElliotCAFC said:

Thomas’ son Martin told me that they’ve spent over 100k on a machine that monitors muscle injuries, mainly hamstrings - apparently we were judging muscle injuries by the naked eye before. I’m paraphrasing of course but that’s the gist of it. 

We’re also looking to buy a striker in January, strongly hinted its Ronnie Schwartz. 

A promotion chasing team strengthening their squad in the January window? Thomas must be up to his cheap tricks again eh Elliottttt?

Henry Irving

As long as Schwartz doesn't bring his pet mink with him.

Great to hear about the monitor. @Sage what does this mean?

mendonca

Schwartz will most likely be very rusty come January with little of no competitive football till then!?

cafcfan1990

mendonca said:

Schwartz will most likely be very rusty come January with little of no competitive football till then!?

True, but it's not like before under Roland where we signed players and had no choice but to chuck them in. This time round we've got options up front so we can take our time with him. Lot of football to be played (especially if we get him in early January rather than the usual last minute stuff!). 

Chunes

ElliotCAFC said:

Thomas’ son Martin told me that they’ve spent over 100k on a machine that monitors muscle injuries, mainly hamstrings - apparently we were judging muscle injuries by the naked eye before. I’m paraphrasing of course but that’s the gist of it.  

I heard they were using crystals and a magic stick

i_b_b_o_r_g

Henry Irving said:

As long as Schwartz doesn't bring his pet mink with him.

Great to hear about the monitor. @Sage what does this mean?

Schwartz bringing his pet lizard instead

mendonca

cafcfan1990 said:

mendonca said:

Schwartz will most likely be very rusty come January with little of no competitive football till then!?

True, but it's not like before under Roland where we signed players and had no choice but to chuck them in. This time round we've got options up front so we can take our time with him. Lot of football to be played (especially if we get him in early January rather than the usual last minute stuff!). 

I have noticed a pattern that any player that we follow/pursue over a long time always turns out to be a dud. My gut instinct with Schwartz remains so too, in the Hemed mould. I hope not, and if he turns up he just finishes anything that drops in the box!

Henry Irving

mendonca said:

cafcfan1990 said:

mendonca said:

Schwartz will most likely be very rusty come January with little of no competitive football till then!?

True, but it's not like before under Roland where we signed players and had no choice but to chuck them in. This time round we've got options up front so we can take our time with him. Lot of football to be played (especially if we get him in early January rather than the usual last minute stuff!). 

I have noticed a pattern that any player that we follow/pursue over a long time always turns out to be a dud. My gut instinct with Schwartz remains so too, in the Hemed mould. I hope not, and if he turns up he just finishes anything that drops in the box!

Such as?

mendonca

Hemed, Kayal, Ajose, Novak spring to my mind.

Not being a misog, just my bets on how things might pan out in signing a player who didn't fancy joining us for the season, then joins half way through, despite playing zero competitive games. Bows has mentioned some players are now gelling like they've had a pre-season. Schwartz would be doing so in a new Country, club, home from December. 

iaitch

mendonca said:

Schwartz will most likely be very rusty come January with little of no competitive football till then!?

Spray him with some WD40 and he'll be alright.

cafcfan1990

mendonca said:

Hemed, Kayal, Ajose, Novak spring to my mind.

Not being a misog, just my bets on how things might pan out in signing a player who didn't fancy joining us for the season, then joins half way through, despite playing zero competitive games. Bows has mentioned some players are now gelling like they've had a pre-season. Schwartz would be doing so in a new Country, club, home from December. 

Did we pursue Hemed and Kayal over a long period of time?

Henry Irving

mendonca said:

Hemed, Kayal, Ajose, Novak spring to my mind.

Not being a misog, just my bets on how things might pan out in signing a player who didn't fancy joining us for the season, then joins half way through, despite playing zero competitive games. Bows has mentioned some players are now gelling like they've had a pre-season. Schwartz would be doing so in a new Country, club, home from December. 

None of those joined mid season.

Valley27000

The main thing we happy with Thomas.

Sage

Henry Irving said:

As long as Schwartz doesn't bring his pet mink with him.

Great to hear about the monitor. @Sage what does this mean?

Without seeing it, couldn’t give you any kind of accurate response.

As a complete, but ever so slightly educated guess, the machine could connect up like a heart ECG for example. But this one would measure things like tension changes, response and reflex changes within the muscle etc, all to be able to predict how the muscle is behaving, which will give a far better and accurate prognosis. I guess, in turn it could also give a better diagnosis if we have a player who is injured.

Now you have made me curious, so I’ve had a little look and to kind of support what my guess is, I’ve found this below.... it would then connect to a monitor which would present a range of data to be analysed. I highly doubt it’s anything like this though, it’s probably far more state of the art, and gives an even clearer reading. It might even have a scanning element to it, that would help.

Ultimately, the fact that the medical department are getting these devices, having a bit of money spent on it, will always improve our chances of having as many players fit and ready to play.

cabbles

ElliotCAFC said:

Thomas’ son Martin told me that they’ve spent over 100k on a machine that monitors muscle injuries, mainly hamstrings - apparently we were judging muscle injuries by the naked eye before. I’m paraphrasing of course but that’s the gist of it. 

We’re also looking to buy a striker in January, strongly hinted its Ronnie Schwartz. 

This must be one of the cheap tricks that Elliot was referring too

Henry Irving

Thanks, @Sage

Give the guys the tools they need to do their job seems a simple rule to follow.

Sage

Henry Irving said:

Thanks, @Sage

Give the guys the tools they need to do their job seems a simple rule to follow.

Seems like a great idea. Makes you wonder why it hasn’t happened before now... at least we have Thomas, he likes to simplify things and gets it done. This to me, seems like another excellent example of how the smaller changes he’ll make within the club can make the biggest improvements.

Dazzler21

mendonca said:

Schwartz will most likely be very rusty come January with little of no competitive football till then!?

Never nice to have a rusty Schwartz.

He's certainly still been working hard for their reserves though. Playing 2 games this season

mendonca

Henry Irving said:

mendonca said:

Hemed, Kayal, Ajose, Novak spring to my mind.

Not being a misog, just my bets on how things might pan out in signing a player who didn't fancy joining us for the season, then joins half way through, despite playing zero competitive games. Bows has mentioned some players are now gelling like they've had a pre-season. Schwartz would be doing so in a new Country, club, home from December. 

None of those joined mid season.

No reference was made to them having joined mid season. As said just a personal view on signing somebody out of action from competitive football for so long. We've seen from Maddison that it can take some time to hit the ground running. 

Henry Irving

mendonca said:

Henry Irving said:

mendonca said:

Hemed, Kayal, Ajose, Novak spring to my mind.

Not being a misog, just my bets on how things might pan out in signing a player who didn't fancy joining us for the season, then joins half way through, despite playing zero competitive games. Bows has mentioned some players are now gelling like they've had a pre-season. Schwartz would be doing so in a new Country, club, home from December. 

None of those joined mid season.

No reference was made to them having joined mid season. As said just a personal view on signing somebody out of action from competitive football for so long. We've seen from Maddison that it can take some time to hit the ground running. 

"signing a player who didn't fancy joining us for the season, then joins half way through,"

mendonca

Nice try , that extract is not from the original post (9.39am) @Henry Irving

Henry Irving

mendonca said:

Nice try , that extract is not from the original post (9.39am) @Henry Irving

No it was in your reply when I asked for examples, none of which met your own criteria 

Cardinal Sin

Up to £20m is a major commitment, even by a wealthy businessman like Thomas Sandgaard. I don't know obviously, but I suspect this is not small change for Thomas and he obviously wants to be able to make the club successful and maybe recover his investment longer run. With Duchatelet we really couldn't have expected any less of him. With Sandgaard, we cannot expect any more.

cafcfan1990

mendonca said:

Nice try , that extract is not from the original post (9.39am) @Henry Irving

But you've also changed your argument, because you said players we have tracked for long periods of time. Pretty sure Kayal and Hemed (who you are directly comparing Schwartz to) were signed last minute because we needed to fill gaps in the squad. That was the general pattern under Roland that we had to sign players like Parker at the end of the window just to get someone through the door. Schwartz is clearly different as we tried to sign him and it didn't work out, looks like we might try again. Novak and Ajose were duds but were signed because of their form the previous season, sometimes that just happens, look at Torres at Chelsea. 

ShootersHillGuru

Sage said:

Henry Irving said:

Thanks, @Sage

Give the guys the tools they need to do their job seems a simple rule to follow.

Seems like a great idea. Makes you wonder why it hasn’t happened before now... at least we have Thomas, he likes to simplify things and gets it done. This to me, seems like another excellent example of how the smaller changes he’ll make within the club can make the biggest improvements.

In recent times we haven’t been able to spend £100k on a player never mind a piece of medical kit. These are the small relatively unnoticed changes that are ultimately going to move the club forward. Wasn’t there a couple of top notch lawnmowers for Sparrows ? Getting every aspect of the club on a sound footing will take a bit of time but I have little doubt TS will get there sooner rather than later.

mendonca

cafcfan1990 said:

mendonca said:

Nice try , that extract is not from the original post (9.39am) @Henry Irving

But you've also changed your argument, because you said players we have tracked for long periods of time. Pretty sure Kayal and Hemed (who you are directly comparing Schwartz to) were signed last minute because we needed to fill gaps in the squad. That was the general pattern under Roland that we had to sign players like Parker at the end of the window just to get someone through the door. Schwartz is clearly different as we tried to sign him and it didn't work out, looks like we might try again. Novak and Ajose were duds but were signed because of their form the previous season, sometimes that just happens, look at Torres at Chelsea. 

Yes, looking back my points of reasoning are all over the shop.

StigThundercock

Henry Irving said:

Thanks, @Sage

Give the guys the tools they need to do their job seems a simple rule to follow.

Having the right tool for the job always saves time, effort and improves the chances of satisfactory outcomes.


money well spent

Sage

ShootersHillGuru said:

Sage said:

Henry Irving said:

Thanks, @Sage

Give the guys the tools they need to do their job seems a simple rule to follow.

Seems like a great idea. Makes you wonder why it hasn’t happened before now... at least we have Thomas, he likes to simplify things and gets it done. This to me, seems like another excellent example of how the smaller changes he’ll make within the club can make the biggest improvements.

In recent times we haven’t been able to spend £100k on a player never mind a piece of medical kit. These are the small relatively unnoticed changes that are ultimately going to move the club forward. Wasn’t there a couple of top notch lawnmowers for Sparrows ? Getting every aspect of the club on a sound footing will take a bit of time but I have little doubt TS will get there sooner rather than later.

I was actually being sarcastic, it was a throw away comment in a way. However, Roland always had the money to invest in the medical team and new equipment, he chose not to.