Seeing some harsh Bogle comments on twitter and it's a shame he has noticed them himself. Bogle from the start with Chuks coming on and scoring is working so why change it? Chuks will break down very quickly if he starts games.
It is quite sad. Half of me is wondering what whistles/jeers/negativity he would have received from the crowd if we were back at the Valley.
There are some sad characters amongst our supporters.
Seeing some harsh Bogle comments on twitter and it's a shame he has noticed them himself. Bogle from the start with Chuks coming on and scoring is working so why change it? Chuks will break down very quickly if he starts games.
It is quite sad. Half of me is wondering what whistles/jeers/negativity he would have received from the crowd if we were back at the Valley.
He wouldn't receive any I don't think, lot easier for these people to spout their rubbish on social media than in public where they'll be pulled up for it. Glad to see he's taken notice of the supportive fans as well
Seeing some harsh Bogle comments on twitter and it's a shame he has noticed them himself. Bogle from the start with Chuks coming on and scoring is working so why change it? Chuks will break down very quickly if he starts games.
It is quite sad. Half of me is wondering what whistles/jeers/negativity he would have received from the crowd if we were back at the Valley.
He wouldn't receive any I don't think, lot easier for these people to spout their rubbish on social media than in public where they'll be pulled up for it. Glad to see he's taken notice of the supportive fans as well
Seeing some harsh Bogle comments on twitter and it's a shame he has noticed them himself. Bogle from the start with Chuks coming on and scoring is working so why change it? Chuks will break down very quickly if he starts games.
It is quite sad. Half of me is wondering what whistles/jeers/negativity he would have received from the crowd if we were back at the Valley.
He wouldn't receive any I don't think, lot easier for these people to spout their rubbish on social media than in public where they'll be pulled up for it. Glad to see he's taken notice of the supportive fans as well
Yup, I thought his replies that were posted in this thread were very level-headed, shows a strong character not to immediately go on the attack like so many other people tend to do on social media. I’m glad so many other fans posted in with some positive comments too.
Seeing some harsh Bogle comments on twitter and it's a shame he has noticed them himself. Bogle from the start with Chuks coming on and scoring is working so why change it? Chuks will break down very quickly if he starts games.
It is quite sad. Half of me is wondering what whistles/jeers/negativity he would have received from the crowd if we were back at the Valley.
He wouldn't receive any I don't think, lot easier for these people to spout their rubbish on social media than in public where they'll be pulled up for it. Glad to see he's taken notice of the supportive fans as well
Did you watch Charlton when Morgan Fox and Simon Francis were playing? It was embarrassing the comments they got. Abuse never seems to make players play better for some reason.
Looks to me as if the guy just slowed down a bit and if Gunter touched him it certainly didn't look deliberate or intentional, and indeed even clumsy, he just couldn't help it, that's why he looked so dumbfounded at the decision.
Seeing some harsh Bogle comments on twitter and it's a shame he has noticed them himself. Bogle from the start with Chuks coming on and scoring is working so why change it? Chuks will break down very quickly if he starts games.
It is quite sad. Half of me is wondering what whistles/jeers/negativity he would have received from the crowd if we were back at the Valley.
He wouldn't receive any I don't think, lot easier for these people to spout their rubbish on social media than in public where they'll be pulled up for it. Glad to see he's taken notice of the supportive fans as well
Did you watch Charlton when Morgan Fox and Simon Francis were playing? It was embarrassing the comments they got. Abuse never seems to make players play better for some reason.
My perspective is different now as I sit somewhere very different, Morgan Fox was the biggest scapegoat I can remember although that's more because of the person in my ear behind me who loved nothing more than to mutter "bloody Fox", usually when he wasn't playing
The heat map suggests that Ben Watson and Andrew Shinnie were similar in terms of passing range (forwards as well as sideways/backwards) in all areas of the pitch, with Watson scoring a slightly higher passing accuracy rate. Yet Watson got quite a bit of criticism while Shinnie got a lot of praise. Goes to show that perception can be flawed, perhaps influenced by pre-existing views.
I know Maddison is there to be creative and take risks, but 5/16 is pretty poor, especially as 2 of those successful passes were defensive backwards passes in his own half
Indeed, he only made ONE successful forward pass in the whole match
Also neither Bogle nor Washington made any passes in the penalty box. Nearly half of Bogle's passes were in his own half
I’m pretty certain that’s our best game when referring to the heat maps.
10 players (who played majority of game) with 72% pass accuracy or above is exceptional. I notice that Shinnie almost always has the highest number of passes and tends to be top 3 for accuracy too.
I’ve read a few people in the player marks thread saying it was a pen because Gunter made contact. Isnt football a contact sport?
For it to be a pen, there needs to be a foul, not contact. There wasn’t a foul.
for both pens, 6ft plus forwards went down do easy! I don’t enjoy football as much as I did 10 years ago, any touch and players go down like they’ve been shot
Gunter tripped their bloke, on purpose or not it was a foul in the box. It wasn't *just* contact.
Amos getting lots of 7's/8's out of 10 in the player marks match. Made a few good saves, but complete airpunch in the first half which there guy headed over. Easy catch which he fumbled in the fist half and they nearly scored. Maybe even should have come out quicker for the penalty we conceded! Rose tinted glasses.
Which L1 keeper is better than Amos?
Maybe you misread my post because I don't understand the relevance of the question. I'm pretty sure Amos is one of the best keepers in the league, although I can't say i watch other league one matches. I think he had an average game, certainly for his high standards.
If you watch quest, League 1 normally 10-10 30 on a Saturday night (I normally record and analysis on Sunday) you will see why "Covered End" believes Amos is a candidate as the best keeper in League 1.
Did Ben make a couple of slight errors on Saturday ? Yes, did he get away with it ? Yes.
I repeat we are very lucky to have had Phillips, the last two seasons and Amos this Season.
Ben Hamer was in credit in our League 1 winning team and made some amazing saves but he also flapped like mad and totally cocked up in the home defeat against Colchester when he kicked the ball into the charging forward.
Will be better for Ben when Inniss and Famewo are back despite Gunter and Pratley doing well out of their natural positions.
Yes it was a great save from the penalty, but I don't remember making many other special saves and in the first half he twice was nearly caught out by speculative long shots due to standing too far forward
How can anyone say Gunter tripping their bloke wasn't a penalty? A foul is a foul intentional or not. He tripped the bloke in our box!
Totally agree. He may not have meant it but he clearly clipped the blokes heels.
A clear penalty for me.
Do you know, I've slowed the highlights footage of the incident right down, watched it over and over .... and I still can't see there was any contact by tripping or clipping heels.
All I see was Gunther's head go down as the opponent's arm seems to flail behind - and then the opponent suddenly hit the deck as if he'd been shot. Was that the contact, if any?
Maybe a different camera angle can shed more light on it?
I've done the same and I can't see any contact. Gunter looked across just before the striker went down so I doubt there was intent. But Gunter then sort of missed a stride as though he'd made contact. I can't think the striker would have gone down without some sort of contact - on practicality grounds rather than moral ones (he needed something to justify the fall). So I think some contact was made, albeit unintentional. so I think its a pen.
Looks like Omar was caught by a flailing arm in the back of the head, then a full body impact, so a pen for us too.
The pelters Bogle is getting is beyond harsh and I fear a lot darkly worse than that.
bleat bleat... "...but Chuks is so much better..." only for 15 - 20 minutes he is Chuks starting is not something I want to see anytime soon Bogle's already put more miles in than Chuks will manage all season. Bogle doesn't give up. Chuks misplaces a pass or two or gets a firm tackle and he pouts, sulks and checks out - no contest in my eyes.
Yes it was a great save from the penalty, but I don't remember making many other special saves and in the first half he twice was nearly caught out by speculative long shots due to standing too far forward
Did well to touch Maddison's free kick on to the bar, comfortably saved from Gilbey in the second half
There was also Maatsen's effort that he spilled but then did well to recover before Bogle could get there
Here you see Gunter's shin connect with Akinde's foot Here you see Akinde's left foot hit his right ankle after the connection here both players stumble
Now I am certain Akinde could have stayed on his feet having watched this at 1/4 speed. But it's still a foul as Gunter purposefully or not tripped Akinde.
Had it been a shoulder to shoulder etc, I could understand the disagreements.
I do wonder if Akinde was clever enough to slow his run to let Gunter tangle with him?
Not saying he would have been wrong to do that, more its up to Chris to be smart enough to get out the way
More irksome for me is that he trails the leg that wasn't clipped by Gunter when he went down. He definitely bought the foul, but Gunter sold it to him.
Here you see Gunter's shin connect with Akinde's foot Here you see Akinde's left foot hit his right ankle after the connection here both players stumble
Now I am certain Akinde could have stayed on his feet having watched this at 1/4 speed. But it's still a foul as Gunter purposefully or not tripped Akinde.
Had it been a shoulder to shoulder etc, I could understand the disagreements.
I can see why a pen was given but I disagree. It’s a tangling of legs that neither player is responsible for.
I don’t get how you can say Gunter fouled Akinde when it’s Akinde’s backward stride that initiated the contract and put himself off balance.
I don't think anybody can say Amos isn't having a great season so far.
Absolutely not, but surely if/when he has a bad game it's not unfair to point it out, particularly when the thread is specific to that game. I wouldn't support any post that even hints at dropping Amos or even criticising him for it, but I'm in agreement with cafcsinger that giving him an 8 on Saturday was probably reflective of his form so far this season and not Saturday's game. Either that or the fantastic save stands out, but he certainly didn't have his best game.
Covered End responded by asking who is better than him but I don't think that's a relevant question. If Amos lets two slip under his legs tomorrow I will score him low and I will probably comment that he's cost us the game. That doesn't necessarily mean I don't rate him, it's just a fair and accurate response.
Here you see Gunter's shin connect with Akinde's foot Here you see Akinde's left foot hit his right ankle after the connection here both players stumble
Now I am certain Akinde could have stayed on his feet having watched this at 1/4 speed. But it's still a foul as Gunter purposefully or not tripped Akinde.
Had it been a shoulder to shoulder etc, I could understand the disagreements.
I can see why a pen was given but I disagree. It’s a tangling of legs that neither player is responsible for.
I don’t get how you can say Gunter fouled Akinde when it’s Akinde’s backward stride that initiated the contract and put himself off balance.
On that basis, you could even say that Afkinde's foot made contact with Gunther's shin ....... making Gunther the one actually fouled, whatever!
Afkinde's foot does seem to be unnaturally trailing behind ..... and we know it's a well known trick to con a referee into awarding a penalty kick: think Zaha at Palace, for example.
In all the images, you can see Gunther clearly focused on the ball ahead. He wouldn't have seen Afkinde's trailing foot, so from what I can see from the footage/photos .......... no intent whatsoever.
But for all Dazzler's efforts to judge Gunther as guilty, watching it again and again I still can't see any actual contact.
I don't think anybody can say Amos isn't having a great season so far.
Absolutely not, but surely if/when he has a bad game it's not unfair to point it out, particularly when the thread is specific to that game. I wouldn't support any post that even hints at dropping Amos or even criticising him for it, but I'm in agreement with cafcsinger that giving him an 8 on Saturday was probably reflective of his form so far this season and not Saturday's game. Either that or the fantastic save stands out, but he certainly didn't have his best game.
Covered End responded by asking who is better than him but I don't think that's a relevant question. If Amos lets two slip under his legs tomorrow I will score him low and I will probably comment that he's cost us the game. That doesn't necessarily mean I don't rate him, it's just a fair and accurate response.
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touched him it certainly didn't look deliberate or intentional, and
indeed even clumsy, he just couldn't help it, that's why he looked
so dumbfounded at the decision.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/albie-morgan-we-played-some-of-our-best-football-of-the-season-during-charltons-1-1-draw-with-gillingham/
Indeed, he only made ONE successful forward pass in the whole match
Also neither Bogle nor Washington made any passes in the penalty box. Nearly half of Bogle's passes were in his own half
If you watch quest, League 1 normally 10-10 30 on a Saturday night (I normally record and analysis on Sunday) you will see why "Covered End" believes Amos is a candidate as the best keeper in League 1.
Did Ben make a couple of slight errors on Saturday ? Yes, did he get away with it ? Yes.
I repeat we are very lucky to have had Phillips, the last two seasons and Amos this Season.
Ben Hamer was in credit in our League 1 winning team and made some amazing saves but he also flapped like mad and totally cocked up in the home defeat against Colchester when he kicked the ball into the charging forward.
Will be better for Ben when Inniss and Famewo are back despite Gunter and Pratley doing well out of their natural positions.
I've done the same and I can't see any contact. Gunter looked across just before the striker went down so I doubt there was intent. But Gunter then sort of missed a stride as though he'd made contact. I can't think the striker would have gone down without some sort of contact - on practicality grounds rather than moral ones (he needed something to justify the fall). So I think some contact was made, albeit unintentional. so I think its a pen.
Looks like Omar was caught by a flailing arm in the back of the head, then a full body impact, so a pen for us too.
bleat bleat... "...but Chuks is so much better..." only for 15 - 20 minutes he is Chuks starting is not something I want to see anytime soon
Bogle's already put more miles in than Chuks will manage all season. Bogle doesn't give up. Chuks misplaces a pass or two or gets a firm tackle and he pouts, sulks and checks out - no contest in my eyes.
There was also Maatsen's effort that he spilled but then did well to recover before Bogle could get there
Now I am certain Akinde could have stayed on his feet having watched this at 1/4 speed. But it's still a foul as Gunter purposefully or not tripped Akinde.
Had it been a shoulder to shoulder etc, I could understand the disagreements.
Not saying he would have been wrong to do that, more its up to Chris to be smart enough to get out the way
Covered End responded by asking who is better than him but I don't think that's a relevant question. If Amos lets two slip under his legs tomorrow I will score him low and I will probably comment that he's cost us the game. That doesn't necessarily mean I don't rate him, it's just a fair and accurate response.
Afkinde's foot does seem to be unnaturally trailing behind ..... and we know it's a well known trick to con a referee into awarding a penalty kick: think Zaha at Palace, for example.
In all the images, you can see Gunther clearly focused on the ball ahead.
He wouldn't have seen Afkinde's trailing foot, so from what I can see from the footage/photos .......... no intent whatsoever.
But for all Dazzler's efforts to judge Gunther as guilty, watching it again and again I still can't see any actual contact.