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England Cricket 2021 (excluding Ashes)
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kentaddick said:Bit of a get out of jail that. Now drop sibley, play hameed and hopefully pope will be fit for the remaining tests to replace Lawrence.0
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There is an interesting article on Wisden website. It suggests England should leave Crawley out at the moment for his own good. There is no doubt he has tremendous potential but is sadly out of form. His 27 in the first innings is only his second score above 20 this year in red ball cricket. He needs time to regroup his game and his thoughts. Continue playing him risks continued failure this summer and would almost make picking him for Australia untenable. Ironically his game could be more suited to Australian pitches and less swinging Kookaburra ball ( like David Warner). Hammeed deserves a chance and can slot in at 3.3
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redman said:There is an interesting article on Wisden website. It suggests England should leave Crawley out at the moment for his own good. There is no doubt he has tremendous potential but is sadly out of form. His 27 in the first innings is only his second score above 20 this year in red ball cricket. He needs time to regroup his game and his thoughts. Continue playing him risks continued failure this summer and would almost make picking him for Australia untenable. Ironically his game could be more suited to Australian pitches and less swinging Kookaburra ball ( like David Warner). Hammeed deserves a chance and can slot in at 3.
If dropped by England now, I assume he'd just return to the London Spirit...0 -
killerandflash said:redman said:There is an interesting article on Wisden website. It suggests England should leave Crawley out at the moment for his own good. There is no doubt he has tremendous potential but is sadly out of form. His 27 in the first innings is only his second score above 20 this year in red ball cricket. He needs time to regroup his game and his thoughts. Continue playing him risks continued failure this summer and would almost make picking him for Australia untenable. Ironically his game could be more suited to Australian pitches and less swinging Kookaburra ball ( like David Warner). Hammeed deserves a chance and can slot in at 3.
If dropped by England now, I assume he'd just return to the London Spirit...2 -
Sounds like Haseeb Hameed will be playing on Thurday with Moeen Ali returning too! Special Covid arrangements will have to be made for Moeen Ali though because he's been playing in the mickey mouse comp tonight in preparation for his Test recall1
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How comes India can concentrate a lot of their season with the IPL but also have a top rated test team - when England can’t ?0
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Addick Addict said:Sounds like Haseeb Hameed will be playing on Thurday with Moeen Ali returning too! Special Covid arrangements will have to be made for Moeen Ali though because he's been playing in the mickey mouse comp tonight in preparation for his Test recall0
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I've been doing a fair bit of reflecting on cricket the last few weeks. It very much feels as though we have reached the end and there is no going back. Test cricket is gone. The 50 over game will survive for a while but will eventually also become a second rate format.
to be honest I just feel pretty lucky that I got to grow up in what looking back was a real golden era for Cricket in general but also England Cricket and County Cricket.
That period from the introduction of T20 in 2002 to around 2012-2013 was truly a golden age. All 3 formats managed to co-exist and be world class. The county game was thriving - I remember sell out crowds at the Oval for 40 and 50 over games The county championship was producing international quality players for all 3 formats (even if England were a little late to the game in working out how to play 50 over cricket). We had the 2005 Ashes as the first test series I remember, 2009 another great Ashes then the 2010 World T20 the 2010/11 Ashes away from home and reaching number 1 in the world. A test side with World class players in every slot. Once in a live time maverick talents like KP (no matter what I think of how his time in the game ended) the likes of Cook, Strauss, Broad Swann and Anderson. County Stalwarts like Ramprakash, world class overseas players (arriving for more than 4 games).
There will still be moments of class like the 2019 world cup and I'm sure the upcoming T20 world cup but I cant see Cricket ever being the same again.
The suits at the ECB have sold the game for their own greed. There has been more and more cricket played every year until players are unable to carry on (see Ben Stokes) and various formats have been completely marginalised (see county champ in April and October, 50 over game as secondary comp). Years of history and tradition written off for a quick buck.
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I've got a spare for Day 2 this Friday in the Lower Grandstand £135.
It's an electronic ticket on my phone, along with mine.
I suppose it's possible to print off & Lord's site says this is acceptable, but would be a faff & easier to meet there if anyone is interested.0 -
cantersaddick said:I've been doing a fair bit of reflecting on cricket the last few weeks. It very much feels as though we have reached the end and there is no going back. Test cricket is gone. The 50 over game will survive for a while but will eventually also become a second rate format.
to be honest I just feel pretty lucky that I got to grow up in what looking back was a real golden era for Cricket in general but also England Cricket and County Cricket.
That period from the introduction of T20 in 2002 to around 2012-2013 was truly a golden age. All 3 formats managed to co-exist and be world class. The county game was thriving - I remember sell out crowds at the Oval for 40 and 50 over games The county championship was producing international quality players for all 3 formats (even if England were a little late to the game in working out how to play 50 over cricket). We had the 2005 Ashes as the first test series I remember, 2009 another great Ashes then the 2010 World T20 the 2010/11 Ashes away from home and reaching number 1 in the world. A test side with World class players in every slot. Once in a live time maverick talents like KP (no matter what I think of how his time in the game ended) the likes of Cook, Strauss, Broad Swann and Anderson. County Stalwarts like Ramprakash, world class overseas players (arriving for more than 4 games).
There will still be moments of class like the 2019 world cup and I'm sure the upcoming T20 world cup but I cant see Cricket ever being the same again.
The suits at the ECB have sold the game for their own greed. There has been more and more cricket played every year until players are unable to carry on (see Ben Stokes) and various formats have been completely marginalised (see county champ in April and October, 50 over game as secondary comp). Years of history and tradition written off for a quick buck.0 - Sponsored links:
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billysboots said:How comes India can concentrate a lot of their season with the IPL but also have a top rated test team - when England can’t ?2
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billysboots said:cantersaddick said:I've been doing a fair bit of reflecting on cricket the last few weeks. It very much feels as though we have reached the end and there is no going back. Test cricket is gone. The 50 over game will survive for a while but will eventually also become a second rate format.
to be honest I just feel pretty lucky that I got to grow up in what looking back was a real golden era for Cricket in general but also England Cricket and County Cricket.
That period from the introduction of T20 in 2002 to around 2012-2013 was truly a golden age. All 3 formats managed to co-exist and be world class. The county game was thriving - I remember sell out crowds at the Oval for 40 and 50 over games The county championship was producing international quality players for all 3 formats (even if England were a little late to the game in working out how to play 50 over cricket). We had the 2005 Ashes as the first test series I remember, 2009 another great Ashes then the 2010 World T20 the 2010/11 Ashes away from home and reaching number 1 in the world. A test side with World class players in every slot. Once in a live time maverick talents like KP (no matter what I think of how his time in the game ended) the likes of Cook, Strauss, Broad Swann and Anderson. County Stalwarts like Ramprakash, world class overseas players (arriving for more than 4 games).
There will still be moments of class like the 2019 world cup and I'm sure the upcoming T20 world cup but I cant see Cricket ever being the same again.
The suits at the ECB have sold the game for their own greed. There has been more and more cricket played every year until players are unable to carry on (see Ben Stokes) and various formats have been completely marginalised (see county champ in April and October, 50 over game as secondary comp). Years of history and tradition written off for a quick buck.
Even in County age group 3 day cricket the challenge placed upon batsmen is not to "bat time" but to find scoring areas against good bowling. To have a game plan. Counties simply cannot afford to have red ball only batsmen on their books. But they can afford to have white ball only batsmen hence the one message being delivered to all young cricketers.1 -
Addick Addict said:billysboots said:How comes India can concentrate a lot of their season with the IPL but also have a top rated test team - when England can’t ?
Covid has been part of the problem (but certainly not the full reason) but the international calendar is ridiculous now, with separate Test and white ball tours randomly scheduled into the calendar, often at late notice. England in 2021 have this schedule -
Sri Lanka (A) - 2 Tests
India (A) - 4 Tests
India (A) - 3 ODI, 5 T20
NZ (H) - 2 Tests
Sri Lanka (H) - 3 ODI, 3 T20
Pakistan (H) - 3 ODI, 3 T20
India (H) - 5 Tests
Bangladesh (A) - 3 ODI, 3 T20
Pakistan (A) - 2 T20
T20 World Cup
Then
Australia (A) - 5 Tests in 2021/22
And
West Indies (A) - 3 Tests and 5 T20s in early 2022!
So within 12 months England will have played series against just about everyone except South Africa! Multi format players could be playing for England 10 months of the year, even without franchise cricket0 -
killerandflash said:Addick Addict said:billysboots said:How comes India can concentrate a lot of their season with the IPL but also have a top rated test team - when England can’t ?
Covid has been part of the problem (but certainly not the full reason) but the international calendar is ridiculous now, with separate Test and white ball tours randomly scheduled into the calendar, often at late notice. England in 2021 have this schedule -
Sri Lanka (A) - 2 Tests
India (A) - 4 Tests
India (A) - 3 ODI, 5 T20
NZ (H) - 2 Tests
Sri Lanka (H) - 3 ODI, 3 T20
Pakistan (H) - 3 ODI, 3 T20
India (H) - 5 Tests
Bangladesh (A) - 3 ODI, 3 T20
Pakistan (A) - 2 T20
T20 World Cup
Then
Australia (A) - 5 Tests in 2021/22
And
West Indies (A) - 3 Tests and 5 T20s in early 2022!
So within 12 months England will have played series against just about everyone except South Africa! Multi format players could be playing for England 10 months of the year, even without franchise cricket
With the CC now starting at the beginning of April there will be an inevitable overlap with the IPL - and the likes of Billings will be carrying drinks in India when, if he really has aspirations as he has maintained to be a Test cricketer, he should be training and playing county red ball at that time.1 -
Addick Addict said:billysboots said:cantersaddick said:I've been doing a fair bit of reflecting on cricket the last few weeks. It very much feels as though we have reached the end and there is no going back. Test cricket is gone. The 50 over game will survive for a while but will eventually also become a second rate format.
to be honest I just feel pretty lucky that I got to grow up in what looking back was a real golden era for Cricket in general but also England Cricket and County Cricket.
That period from the introduction of T20 in 2002 to around 2012-2013 was truly a golden age. All 3 formats managed to co-exist and be world class. The county game was thriving - I remember sell out crowds at the Oval for 40 and 50 over games The county championship was producing international quality players for all 3 formats (even if England were a little late to the game in working out how to play 50 over cricket). We had the 2005 Ashes as the first test series I remember, 2009 another great Ashes then the 2010 World T20 the 2010/11 Ashes away from home and reaching number 1 in the world. A test side with World class players in every slot. Once in a live time maverick talents like KP (no matter what I think of how his time in the game ended) the likes of Cook, Strauss, Broad Swann and Anderson. County Stalwarts like Ramprakash, world class overseas players (arriving for more than 4 games).
There will still be moments of class like the 2019 world cup and I'm sure the upcoming T20 world cup but I cant see Cricket ever being the same again.
The suits at the ECB have sold the game for their own greed. There has been more and more cricket played every year until players are unable to carry on (see Ben Stokes) and various formats have been completely marginalised (see county champ in April and October, 50 over game as secondary comp). Years of history and tradition written off for a quick buck.
Even in County age group 3 day cricket the challenge placed upon batsmen is not to "bat time" but to find scoring areas against good bowling. To have a game plan. Counties simply cannot afford to have red ball only batsmen on their books. But they can afford to have white ball only batsmen hence the one message being delivered to all young cricketers.
Burns
Jennings
Denley
Average 25.2
Australia v England Melbourne, 1978-79
Wood
Darling
Hughes
Average 29.60 -
Chizz said:Addick Addict said:billysboots said:cantersaddick said:I've been doing a fair bit of reflecting on cricket the last few weeks. It very much feels as though we have reached the end and there is no going back. Test cricket is gone. The 50 over game will survive for a while but will eventually also become a second rate format.
to be honest I just feel pretty lucky that I got to grow up in what looking back was a real golden era for Cricket in general but also England Cricket and County Cricket.
That period from the introduction of T20 in 2002 to around 2012-2013 was truly a golden age. All 3 formats managed to co-exist and be world class. The county game was thriving - I remember sell out crowds at the Oval for 40 and 50 over games The county championship was producing international quality players for all 3 formats (even if England were a little late to the game in working out how to play 50 over cricket). We had the 2005 Ashes as the first test series I remember, 2009 another great Ashes then the 2010 World T20 the 2010/11 Ashes away from home and reaching number 1 in the world. A test side with World class players in every slot. Once in a live time maverick talents like KP (no matter what I think of how his time in the game ended) the likes of Cook, Strauss, Broad Swann and Anderson. County Stalwarts like Ramprakash, world class overseas players (arriving for more than 4 games).
There will still be moments of class like the 2019 world cup and I'm sure the upcoming T20 world cup but I cant see Cricket ever being the same again.
The suits at the ECB have sold the game for their own greed. There has been more and more cricket played every year until players are unable to carry on (see Ben Stokes) and various formats have been completely marginalised (see county champ in April and October, 50 over game as secondary comp). Years of history and tradition written off for a quick buck.
Even in County age group 3 day cricket the challenge placed upon batsmen is not to "bat time" but to find scoring areas against good bowling. To have a game plan. Counties simply cannot afford to have red ball only batsmen on their books. But they can afford to have white ball only batsmen hence the one message being delivered to all young cricketers.
Burns
Jennings
Denley
Average 25.2
Australia v England Melbourne, 1978-79
Wood
Darling
Hughes
Average 29.6
The point remains our top three are a bit of a joke.1 -
Talk is Moeen in and Bairstow to bat 3.
I'm happy about 1 not the other.1 -
blackpool72 said:Chizz said:Addick Addict said:billysboots said:cantersaddick said:I've been doing a fair bit of reflecting on cricket the last few weeks. It very much feels as though we have reached the end and there is no going back. Test cricket is gone. The 50 over game will survive for a while but will eventually also become a second rate format.
to be honest I just feel pretty lucky that I got to grow up in what looking back was a real golden era for Cricket in general but also England Cricket and County Cricket.
That period from the introduction of T20 in 2002 to around 2012-2013 was truly a golden age. All 3 formats managed to co-exist and be world class. The county game was thriving - I remember sell out crowds at the Oval for 40 and 50 over games The county championship was producing international quality players for all 3 formats (even if England were a little late to the game in working out how to play 50 over cricket). We had the 2005 Ashes as the first test series I remember, 2009 another great Ashes then the 2010 World T20 the 2010/11 Ashes away from home and reaching number 1 in the world. A test side with World class players in every slot. Once in a live time maverick talents like KP (no matter what I think of how his time in the game ended) the likes of Cook, Strauss, Broad Swann and Anderson. County Stalwarts like Ramprakash, world class overseas players (arriving for more than 4 games).
There will still be moments of class like the 2019 world cup and I'm sure the upcoming T20 world cup but I cant see Cricket ever being the same again.
The suits at the ECB have sold the game for their own greed. There has been more and more cricket played every year until players are unable to carry on (see Ben Stokes) and various formats have been completely marginalised (see county champ in April and October, 50 over game as secondary comp). Years of history and tradition written off for a quick buck.
Even in County age group 3 day cricket the challenge placed upon batsmen is not to "bat time" but to find scoring areas against good bowling. To have a game plan. Counties simply cannot afford to have red ball only batsmen on their books. But they can afford to have white ball only batsmen hence the one message being delivered to all young cricketers.
Burns
Jennings
Denley
Average 25.2
Australia v England Melbourne, 1978-79
Wood
Darling
Hughes
Average 29.6
The point remains our top three are a bit of a joke.
The current top three isn't working. The problems with them are easy to diagnose. Sibley isn't good enough, Burns' technique is abysmal and Crawley is batting in the wrong position. Crawley should open, with Burns if he can sort out his St Vitus dance; Sibley should be replaced in the squad with a cricketer.1 -
cantersaddick said:Talk is Moeen in and Bairstow to bat 3.
I'm happy about 1 not the other.0 -
cantersaddick said:Talk is Moeen in and Bairstow to bat 3.
I'm happy about 1 not the other.4 - Sponsored links:
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Chizz said:Addick Addict said:billysboots said:cantersaddick said:I've been doing a fair bit of reflecting on cricket the last few weeks. It very much feels as though we have reached the end and there is no going back. Test cricket is gone. The 50 over game will survive for a while but will eventually also become a second rate format.
to be honest I just feel pretty lucky that I got to grow up in what looking back was a real golden era for Cricket in general but also England Cricket and County Cricket.
That period from the introduction of T20 in 2002 to around 2012-2013 was truly a golden age. All 3 formats managed to co-exist and be world class. The county game was thriving - I remember sell out crowds at the Oval for 40 and 50 over games The county championship was producing international quality players for all 3 formats (even if England were a little late to the game in working out how to play 50 over cricket). We had the 2005 Ashes as the first test series I remember, 2009 another great Ashes then the 2010 World T20 the 2010/11 Ashes away from home and reaching number 1 in the world. A test side with World class players in every slot. Once in a live time maverick talents like KP (no matter what I think of how his time in the game ended) the likes of Cook, Strauss, Broad Swann and Anderson. County Stalwarts like Ramprakash, world class overseas players (arriving for more than 4 games).
There will still be moments of class like the 2019 world cup and I'm sure the upcoming T20 world cup but I cant see Cricket ever being the same again.
The suits at the ECB have sold the game for their own greed. There has been more and more cricket played every year until players are unable to carry on (see Ben Stokes) and various formats have been completely marginalised (see county champ in April and October, 50 over game as secondary comp). Years of history and tradition written off for a quick buck.
Even in County age group 3 day cricket the challenge placed upon batsmen is not to "bat time" but to find scoring areas against good bowling. To have a game plan. Counties simply cannot afford to have red ball only batsmen on their books. But they can afford to have white ball only batsmen hence the one message being delivered to all young cricketers.
Burns
Jennings
Denley
Average 25.2
Australia v England Melbourne, 1978-79
Wood
Darling
Hughes
Average 29.6
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Bairstow at 3 would be ludicrous. You could just about get away with it if we had Hayden/Langar or Greenidge/Haynes opening, so that he'd be strolling out at 80-1, but chances are he'd be strolling out at 8-1 to face the new ball
Sir Geoffrey knows him as well as anyone, and he's constantly said he's a number 6 not a top order player1 -
Saqib Mahmood added to the squad as Broad is a doubt.
I'm hoping he & Hameed play, promising young players that are worth giving a go, Mahmood could be a good pace option in the Ashes given no Archer & Wood is unlikely to play back-to-back Tests.1 -
kentaddick said:cantersaddick said:Talk is Moeen in and Bairstow to bat 3.
I'm happy about 1 not the other.2 -
Jimmy is a doubt as well apparently, so potentially missing Anderson, Archer, Broad, Stokes & Woakes.0
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North Lower Neil said:Jimmy is a doubt as well apparently, so potentially missing Anderson, Archer, Broad, Stokes & Woakes.0
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Mahmood, Robinson, Wood, Curran, Ali hopefully0
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cantersaddick said:North Lower Neil said:Jimmy is a doubt as well apparently, so potentially missing Anderson, Archer, Broad, Stokes & Woakes.0
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We need more variation in the bowling attack. Its clear they arent backing Leach though God knows why..... I would pick him but I'm happy with Moeen coming back. Robinson looks a find so I would keep him. In the absence of Stokes/Woakes I'd probably leave Curran there. One of Mahmood or Wood need to play as a genuine pace option and one of Broad/Anderson depending on fitness.
Hameed has to come in for Crawley. No idea on who bats 3. Either Leave Sibley to open and bat Hameed/Burns at 3 (which I think they will do) alternatively one of Lawrence/Bairstow or Pope will have to bat 3 which you all know I'm not a fan of but it can be done as a short term solution.
Burns
Sibley
Hameed
Root
Pope
Buttler
Moeen
Curran
Robinson
Wood/Mahmood
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Overton for Curran imo. Just a much, much better bowler0