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England Cricket 2021 (excluding Ashes)
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Oh and Jack Leach has gone from being the drinks carrying spinner, to being the cover for Moeen! He's finally been released from the squad, but is on standby in case of any injuries0
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The actual Denly Jr was last seen sweeping the bowling of one L. Jagger for four, which surely qualifies him for the slot0
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So could well be?:
Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Bairsow
Pope
Buttler
Ali
Robinson
Wood if fit, Mahmood if not
Anderson
Unless they keep Curran in over Pope and Buttler and Moeen are 6 & 7. Can't see Overton or Lawrence playing.
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Root can bat 3 but refuses to.kentaddick said:I do question the logic of recalling a 33 year old with a test average of 27. Are there literally no decent Englishmen that bat 3?0 -
If Curran keeps his spot it's one of the most astonishing selections in living memory tbh2
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Not saying Curran, who bowled 40 overs in the last Test, is worth his place but the issue is that we will be going in with just 4 bowlers without him. If Anderson or Wood breaks down we will be down to two seamers.North Lower Neil said:So could well be?:
Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Bairsow
Pope
Buttler
Ali
Robinson
Wood if fit, Mahmood if not
Anderson
Unless they keep Curran in over Pope and Buttler and Moeen are 6 & 7. Can't see Overton or Lawrence playing.0 -
3 seamers would mean moeen doing a lot of bowling, which I don’t think we should be that keen on doing.0
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On current form is Buttler worth his place in the side? Give Bairstow back the gloves, have Pope at 5, Bairstow at 6, Moeen at 7 and then you can play Overton at 8 as the 5th bowler. Or Curran if they want the left arm option
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Root batting at four and Anderson at 11 are the only 'safe' positions in the team at the moment. Root's batting position shouldn't be in any question, at all He's scored more than twice as many runs as anyone else batting at 4 this year - for any country - at an average over 69.golfaddick said:
Root can bat 3 but refuses to.kentaddick said:I do question the logic of recalling a 33 year old with a test average of 27. Are there literally no decent Englishmen that bat 3?2 -
The problem with that is Moeen Ali is a better batsman, bowler, fielder, thinker and leader than Overton.killerandflash said:On current form is Buttler worth his place in the side? Give Bairstow back the gloves, have Pope at 5, Bairstow at 6, Moeen at 7 and then you can play Overton at 8 as the 5th bowler. Or Curran if they want the left arm option0 - Sponsored links:
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The problem with that is Moeen Ali is a better batsman, bowler, fielder, thinker and leader than Overton.killerandflash said:On current form is Buttler worth his place in the side? Give Bairstow back the gloves, have Pope at 5, Bairstow at 6, Moeen at 7 and then you can play Overton at 8 as the 5th bowler. Or Curran if they want the left arm option
I have both Moeen and Overton in the side0 -
My comment still stands. Even though I have absolutely no idea what I was thinking when I posted it, especially in response to yours.killerandflash said:
???Chizz said:
The problem with that is Moeen Ali is a better batsman, bowler, fielder, thinker and leader than Overton.killerandflash said:On current form is Buttler worth his place in the side? Give Bairstow back the gloves, have Pope at 5, Bairstow at 6, Moeen at 7 and then you can play Overton at 8 as the 5th bowler. Or Curran if they want the left arm option
I have both Moeen and Overton in the side
I am sure my comment would have been perfectly clear if I had either read yours properly first, or chosen not to post it at all. Can we agree never to mention this again?
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Trouble is that Buttler is averaging 31 this year and in the same period Pope averages under 23. Bairstow also hasn't kept for more than 50 overs or in a red ball game for a year.killerandflash said:On current form is Buttler worth his place in the side? Give Bairstow back the gloves, have Pope at 5, Bairstow at 6, Moeen at 7 and then you can play Overton at 8 as the 5th bowler. Or Curran if they want the left arm option1 -
Buttler got his decent scores right at the beginning of the year though, as he had a decent series in Sri Lanka.Addick Addict said:
Trouble is that Buttler is averaging 31 this year and in the same period Pope averages under 23. Bairstow also hasn't kept for more than 50 overs or in a red ball game for a year.killerandflash said:On current form is Buttler worth his place in the side? Give Bairstow back the gloves, have Pope at 5, Bairstow at 6, Moeen at 7 and then you can play Overton at 8 as the 5th bowler. Or Curran if they want the left arm option
He then played one match in India, left the Test team for 6 months before returning to struggle against India at home.0 -
Or ask one of the other bowlers to bowl left handed, it can’t be less I effective than Curran.killerandflash said:On current form is Buttler worth his place in the side? Give Bairstow back the gloves, have Pope at 5, Bairstow at 6, Moeen at 7 and then you can play Overton at 8 as the 5th bowler. Or Curran if they want the left arm option2 -
"Woody, we've come up with a great way for you to bowl without straining your right shoulder"Todds_right_hook said:
Or ask one of the other bowlers to bowl left handed, it can’t be less I effective than Curran.killerandflash said:On current form is Buttler worth his place in the side? Give Bairstow back the gloves, have Pope at 5, Bairstow at 6, Moeen at 7 and then you can play Overton at 8 as the 5th bowler. Or Curran if they want the left arm option4 -
But Pope was hardly in great form against NZ (22, 20*, 19 and 23), hasn't scored a 50 in the last year (14 innings) and has had three 50 over games since June (in the last week) scoring 16 runs in total. That, combined with asking Bairstow to keep when he hasn't done so for any comparable period of time in a game for a year doesn't suggest to me that Buttler should be dropped. As we found when Pope did it and with Bracey too, it's not easy to just pick up the gloves especially in Test matches.killerandflash said:
Buttler got his decent scores right at the beginning of the year though, as he had a decent series in Sri Lanka.Addick Addict said:
Trouble is that Buttler is averaging 31 this year and in the same period Pope averages under 23. Bairstow also hasn't kept for more than 50 overs or in a red ball game for a year.killerandflash said:On current form is Buttler worth his place in the side? Give Bairstow back the gloves, have Pope at 5, Bairstow at 6, Moeen at 7 and then you can play Overton at 8 as the 5th bowler. Or Curran if they want the left arm option
He then played one match in India, left the Test team for 6 months before returning to struggle against India at home.
Pope either has to wait to come back or bat at 3 instead of Malan or we go in with just 4 frontline bowlers.1 -
Mark Wood confirmed out of the 3rd test with shoulder injury0
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Mahmood probably going to make his test debut then.0
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Bat Pope at 5North Lower Neil said:So could well be?:
Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Bairsow
Pope
Buttler
Ali
Robinson
Wood if fit, Mahmood if not
Anderson
Unless they keep Curran in over Pope and Buttler and Moeen are 6 & 7. Can't see Overton or Lawrence playing.
Drop Bairstow
Bring in Moeen.
Gives the side a much better ballance2 - Sponsored links:
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I do not believe that the number of injuries sustained by fast bowlers sustain these days is a new phenomenon. Given how relatively sheltered they are through central contracts, it does make me wonder how the fast bowlers of the 70s and 80s ever got through the number of overs they did for county and country. I can't help thinking that they did so to the ultimate detriment of their respective bodies.1
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Moeen to play alongside Ali?blackpool72 said:
Bat Pope at 5North Lower Neil said:So could well be?:
Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Bairsow
Pope
Buttler
Ali
Robinson
Wood if fit, Mahmood if not
Anderson
Unless they keep Curran in over Pope and Buttler and Moeen are 6 & 7. Can't see Overton or Lawrence playing.
Drop Bairstow
Bring in Moeen.
Gives the side a much better ballance
Bairstow was one of our better batsmen in the 2nd Test, would be bizarre to drop him2 -
Gary will be overjoyed that you think he deserves a place ! :-)blackpool72 said:
Bat Pope at 5North Lower Neil said:So could well be?:
Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Bairsow
Pope
Buttler
Ali
Robinson
Wood if fit, Mahmood if not
Anderson
Unless they keep Curran in over Pope and Buttler and Moeen are 6 & 7. Can't see Overton or Lawrence playing.
Drop Bairstow
Bring in Moeen.
Gives the side a much better ballance3 -
Now here's the thing. Perhaps I'm using the wrong examples but I've compared the number of balls bowled by two from different eras but of a comparable age - Bob Willis bowled 83,921 balls and Stuart Broad has bowled 91,219 balls. That said, I can't see Jofra Archer (17,001 to date and now aged 26) getting anywhere near that given his injuries and penchant for bowling 4 overs in a game!Addick Addict said:I do not believe that the number of injuries sustained by fast bowlers sustain these days is a new phenomenon. Given how relatively sheltered they are through central contracts, it does make me wonder how the fast bowlers of the 70s and 80s ever got through the number of overs they did for county and country. I can't help thinking that they did so to the ultimate detriment of their respective bodies.0 -
Addick Addict said:
Now here's the thing. Perhaps I'm using the wrong examples but I've compared the number of balls bowled by two from different eras but of a comparable age - Bob Willis bowled 83,921 balls and Stuart Broad has bowled 91,219 balls. That said, I can't see Jofra Archer (17,001 to date and now aged 26) getting anywhere near that given his injuries and penchant for bowling 4 overs in a game!Addick Addict said:I do not believe that the number of injuries sustained by fast bowlers sustain these days is a new phenomenon. Given how relatively sheltered they are through central contracts, it does make me wonder how the fast bowlers of the 70s and 80s ever got through the number of overs they did for county and country. I can't help thinking that they did so to the ultimate detriment of their respective bodies.
Sadly, I think Jofra might struggle to ever play test cricket again, he has had problems with he's elbow for quite some time now, he may end up just playing white ball cricket. I hope I am wrong1 -
Completely agree, I don't think we'll see Jofra in the Test side again sadly.Johnnysummers5 said:Addick Addict said:
Now here's the thing. Perhaps I'm using the wrong examples but I've compared the number of balls bowled by two from different eras but of a comparable age - Bob Willis bowled 83,921 balls and Stuart Broad has bowled 91,219 balls. That said, I can't see Jofra Archer (17,001 to date and now aged 26) getting anywhere near that given his injuries and penchant for bowling 4 overs in a game!Addick Addict said:I do not believe that the number of injuries sustained by fast bowlers sustain these days is a new phenomenon. Given how relatively sheltered they are through central contracts, it does make me wonder how the fast bowlers of the 70s and 80s ever got through the number of overs they did for county and country. I can't help thinking that they did so to the ultimate detriment of their respective bodies.
Sadly, I think Jofra might struggle to ever play test cricket again, he has had problems with he's elbow for quite some time now, he may end up just playing white ball cricket. I hope I am wrong0 -
Maybe it was his elbow hampering him, but I've not been that impressed with Jofra in Test cricket anyway, I think he's far more suited to white ball cricket. Mark Wood is a better, and more hostile, Test bowler, albeit just as fragile.0
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I agree with this.killerandflash said:Maybe it was his elbow hampering him, but I've not been that impressed with Jofra in Test cricket anyway, I think he's far more suited to white ball cricket. Mark Wood is a better, and more hostile, Test bowler, albeit just as fragile.
Wood always seems to give 100 % when bowling in tests Archer often seems to be holding back.
Having said that it's probably to do with his elbow.
A real shame we may never get to see them bowling together in a test again.0 -
Archer looks like he’s holding back because he’s got such a graceful slow looking action. He’s been carrying an injury since the first test of the ashes which is why he’s having so much surgery now.Massive opportunity for mahmood, he could end 2021 with being England’s premier quick in both white and red ball, if he goes to Dubai in October and does well there too.3
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I agree he has a graceful action and it's lovely to watch.kentaddick said:Archer looks like he’s holding back because he’s got such a graceful slow looking action. He’s been carrying an injury since the first test of the ashes which is why he’s having so much surgery now.Massive opportunity for mahmood, he could end 2021 with being England’s premier quick in both white and red ball, if he goes to Dubai in October and does well there too.
But considering he can bowl at 90mph plus there are times when he was barely reaching 85mph.
This is what I mean when I say he appears to be holding back.
Like I said his elbow probably explains why.1
