Gutted for Jake. Had a decent season, and one week before the end he gets an ACL injury.
When it was announced we had a fully fit squad two weeks ago you knew that trouble was ahead. Wasn't true because Washington had to be eased back into the team and the ongoing Chuks Aneke adventure.
Not sure how the politics plays out if your contract runs out at the end of June and you will only be fit for selection around March 22. Tear or Rupture will determine the rehabilitation process and length.
Robbie Savage said he never even had a pulled hamstring in his long career yet Jake has had two ACL.
If Jake wins the POTY ( I voted for Chuks as he influences the game the most in his truncated time on the field) it will give JFC a boost in his recovery whether with Cafc of another club after his recovery.
Knowing him personally, I feel for him. Performances have been solid, but mentally, this is the most focussed I’ve known him since he was at Brighton and around the England U21 set up. Hopefully his recovery will be a quick one and he’ll be back on the pitch soon.
Don't "do" Twitter so please pass on our very best wishes for a swift recovery & for next season, @SurvivaloftheFittest.
What a nightmare end to his best season with us so far.
Knowing him personally, I feel for him. Performances have been solid, but mentally, this is the most focussed I’ve known him since he was at Brighton and around the England U21 set up. Hopefully his recovery will be a quick one and he’ll be back on the pitch soon.
Don't "do" Twitter so please pass on our very best wishes for a swift recovery & for next season, @SurvivaloftheFittest.
What a nightmare end to his best season with us so far.
To be fair, he’s my Brother’s friend and I’ve met him a handful of times through him. In the entire time he’s been here I’ve never contacted him. He’s quite private so doubt he’ll appreciate the out of the blue contact.
I’m playing football on Monday against his close mates. Assuming they’re playing I’ll ask after him and send our regards. I’ll tell them to mention this thread so he can take a look if he wants too.
Right thing to do to feed an extra year from a point of view of messaging to other players going out of contract in future and getting worried about injuries near the end of the season.
Would be interesting to know why JFC had not already signed an extension though - i.e his choice or ours.
I imagine he won't get a new contract with us if injured as back to back ACLs is bit of a risk, but we may take it.
Is it really a risk, giving him another year, in "football terms" it's sod all money. If there is another wage cap he would be exempt from it as wouldn't be in our "squad".
It's 100% the right thing to do. Especially for our 2nd longest serving player and one that has played nearly every game this season.
Depends on how long he’s out for (it sounds like a less serious version of the previous injury so maybe 3-6 months rather than the 8-9 last time?) and whether Nigel was planning to keep him prior to this news.
There’s no room for sentiment in football. Thomas would not take kindly to paying someone a pity wage. Come and use our facilities for your recovery, sure. But let’s only be offering contracts to players that are actually in Nigel’s plan.
JFC is the only footballer I can think of that was physically stronger after an ACL. Nice bloke, wish him all the best, hope he stays. He just brought a house in Lingfield so suspect he thought he would be staying.
I imagine he won't get a new contract with us if injured as back to back ACLs is bit of a risk, but we may take it.
Is it really a risk, giving him another year, in "football terms" it's sod all money. If there is another wage cap he would be exempt from it as wouldn't be in our "squad".
It's 100% the right thing to do. Especially for our 2nd longest serving player and one that has played nearly every game this season.
Depends on how long he’s out for (it sounds like a less serious version of the previous injury so maybe 3-6 months rather than the 8-9 last time?) and whether Nigel was planning to keep him prior to this news.
There’s no room for sentiment in football. Thomas would not take kindly to paying someone a pity wage. Come and use our facilities for your recovery, sure. But let’s only be offering contracts to players that are actually in Nigel’s plan.
It wouldn't be a pity wage though. JFC could well be voted player of the season and have more to offer us. It does also make the club more attractive to players and ultimately we (us fans) should be more generous to Taylor and Solly if we don't think we should do this.
I imagine he won't get a new contract with us if injured as back to back ACLs is bit of a risk, but we may take it.
I’m sure he’ll get a year. We have a duty of care to those we employ and we have a history of supporting those who have got injured whilst playing for us, it’s the least we can do until he’s fit and ready to play again. Not my favourite player and I think he’s very overrated but I wish him all the best and a speedy recovery.
I imagine he won't get a new contract with us if injured as back to back ACLs is bit of a risk, but we may take it.
Is it really a risk, giving him another year, in "football terms" it's sod all money. If there is another wage cap he would be exempt from it as wouldn't be in our "squad".
It's 100% the right thing to do. Especially for our 2nd longest serving player and one that has played nearly every game this season.
Depends on how long he’s out for (it sounds like a less serious version of the previous injury so maybe 3-6 months rather than the 8-9 last time?) and whether Nigel was planning to keep him prior to this news.
There’s no room for sentiment in football. Thomas would not take kindly to paying someone a pity wage. Come and use our facilities for your recovery, sure. But let’s only be offering contracts to players that are actually in Nigel’s plan.
Disagree totally I’m afraid. He got injured playing for us so we should pay him until he is fully recovered and go from there.
I imagine he won't get a new contract with us if injured as back to back ACLs is bit of a risk, but we may take it.
Is it really a risk, giving him another year, in "football terms" it's sod all money. If there is another wage cap he would be exempt from it as wouldn't be in our "squad".
It's 100% the right thing to do. Especially for our 2nd longest serving player and one that has played nearly every game this season.
Depends on how long he’s out for (it sounds like a less serious version of the previous injury so maybe 3-6 months rather than the 8-9 last time?) and whether Nigel was planning to keep him prior to this news.
There’s no room for sentiment in football. Thomas would not take kindly to paying someone a pity wage. Come and use our facilities for your recovery, sure. But let’s only be offering contracts to players that are actually in Nigel’s plan.
It wouldn't be a pity wage though. JFC could well be voted player of the season and have more to offer us. It does also make the club more attractive to players and ultimately we (us fans) should be more generous to Taylor and Solly if we don't think we should do this.
You’ve taken a bit of stick recently Muttley but I agree with every word you’ve said here.
I imagine he won't get a new contract with us if injured as back to back ACLs is bit of a risk, but we may take it.
Is it really a risk, giving him another year, in "football terms" it's sod all money. If there is another wage cap he would be exempt from it as wouldn't be in our "squad".
It's 100% the right thing to do. Especially for our 2nd longest serving player and one that has played nearly every game this season.
Depends on how long he’s out for (it sounds like a less serious version of the previous injury so maybe 3-6 months rather than the 8-9 last time?) and whether Nigel was planning to keep him prior to this news.
There’s no room for sentiment in football. Thomas would not take kindly to paying someone a pity wage. Come and use our facilities for your recovery, sure. But let’s only be offering contracts to players that are actually in Nigel’s plan.
It wouldn't be a pity wage though. JFC could well be voted player of the season and have more to offer us. It does also make the club more attractive to players and ultimately we (us fans) should be more generous to Taylor and Solly if we don't think we should do this.
You’ve taken a bit of stick recently Muttley but I agree with every word you’ve said here.
I imagine he won't get a new contract with us if injured as back to back ACLs is bit of a risk, but we may take it.
Is it really a risk, giving him another year, in "football terms" it's sod all money. If there is another wage cap he would be exempt from it as wouldn't be in our "squad".
It's 100% the right thing to do. Especially for our 2nd longest serving player and one that has played nearly every game this season.
Depends on how long he’s out for (it sounds like a less serious version of the previous injury so maybe 3-6 months rather than the 8-9 last time?) and whether Nigel was planning to keep him prior to this news.
There’s no room for sentiment in football. Thomas would not take kindly to paying someone a pity wage. Come and use our facilities for your recovery, sure. But let’s only be offering contracts to players that are actually in Nigel’s plan.
It wouldn't be a pity wage though. JFC could well be voted player of the season and have more to offer us. It does also make the club more attractive to players and ultimately we (us fans) should be more generous to Taylor and Solly if we don't think we should do this.
I know I'm in the minority here - he's a decent player and will win POTY for good reason but I was hoping he wouldn't be first choice next season after the rebuild. I think he gets a lot of leeway from our fans because he's a bit of a local lad that the fans can identify with and he gets stuck in which helps.
The numbers are such that giving JFC another year will cost the club $200-250k at a rough guess. The decision makers at the club will have to weigh up the pros and cons and decide if spending that amount of money will be worth it if he can only play half a season. If they make that call, I will support it.
I imagine he won't get a new contract with us if injured as back to back ACLs is bit of a risk, but we may take it.
Is it really a risk, giving him another year, in "football terms" it's sod all money. If there is another wage cap he would be exempt from it as wouldn't be in our "squad".
It's 100% the right thing to do. Especially for our 2nd longest serving player and one that has played nearly every game this season.
Depends on how long he’s out for (it sounds like a less serious version of the previous injury so maybe 3-6 months rather than the 8-9 last time?) and whether Nigel was planning to keep him prior to this news.
There’s no room for sentiment in football. Thomas would not take kindly to paying someone a pity wage. Come and use our facilities for your recovery, sure. But let’s only be offering contracts to players that are actually in Nigel’s plan.
It wouldn't be a pity wage though. JFC could well be voted player of the season and have more to offer us. It does also make the club more attractive to players and ultimately we (us fans) should be more generous to Taylor and Solly if we don't think we should do this.
I know I'm in the minority here - he's a decent player and will win POTY for good reason but I was hoping he wouldn't be first choice next season after the rebuild. I think he gets a lot of leeway from our fans because he's a bit of a local lad that the fans can identify with and he gets stuck in which helps.
The numbers are such that giving JFC another year will cost the club $200-250k at a rough guess. The decision makers at the club will have to weigh up the pros and cons and decide if spending that amount of money will be worth it if he can only play half a season. If they make that call, I will support it.
I imagine he won't get a new contract with us if injured as back to back ACLs is bit of a risk, but we may take it.
Is it really a risk, giving him another year, in "football terms" it's sod all money. If there is another wage cap he would be exempt from it as wouldn't be in our "squad".
It's 100% the right thing to do. Especially for our 2nd longest serving player and one that has played nearly every game this season.
Depends on how long he’s out for (it sounds like a less serious version of the previous injury so maybe 3-6 months rather than the 8-9 last time?) and whether Nigel was planning to keep him prior to this news.
There’s no room for sentiment in football. Thomas would not take kindly to paying someone a pity wage. Come and use our facilities for your recovery, sure. But let’s only be offering contracts to players that are actually in Nigel’s plan.
It wouldn't be a pity wage though. JFC could well be voted player of the season and have more to offer us. It does also make the club more attractive to players and ultimately we (us fans) should be more generous to Taylor and Solly if we don't think we should do this.
I know I'm in the minority here - he's a decent player and will win POTY for good reason but I was hoping he wouldn't be first choice next season after the rebuild. I think he gets a lot of leeway from our fans because he's a bit of a local lad that the fans can identify with and he gets stuck in which helps.
The numbers are such that giving JFC another year will cost the club $200-250k at a rough guess. The decision makers at the club will have to weigh up the pros and cons and decide if spending that amount of money will be worth it if he can only play half a season. If they make that call, I will support it.
So Taylor had a decent point then?
Taylor refused to play while still under contract. I don't think the two situations are comparable at all.
But he could argue he did this because of the risk of injury. Added to that, no point to expect any player at the end of their contract to bust a gut for us.
But he could argue he did this because of the risk of injury. Added to that, no point to expect any player at the end of their contract to bust a gut for us.
Quite right, there's a risk of injury from the first day of pre season training. I think all our players should do precisely nothing for the duration of their contracts, because of the risk of injury.
But he could argue he did this because of the risk of injury. Added to that, no point to expect any player at the end of their contract to bust a gut for us.
Sure - and that's exactly what Lyle argued at the time. My view on it is that injuries are an occupational hazard that you accept when you sign your contract. Until your contract's up, you play. When your contract's up, it's up to player and club to renegotiate or part ways.
But imagine you are a player going in for a challenge near the end of the season. You want them thinking they are going to win it not if I go for that and get injured I might not get a club. A few months out becomes a bigger issue as you get nearer the end of your contract.
That will always happen whether we offer JFC a contract extension here or not. Oh I wasn’t going to go crunching into that tackle but wait a minute I just remembered they gave Jake that contract when he got hurt.
He played knowing his contract was ending. He took the risk. We should rehabilitate him but not pay him. I'm sorry both sides knew the dangers of running down the contract.
I imagine he won't get a new contract with us if injured as back to back ACLs is bit of a risk, but we may take it.
Is it really a risk, giving him another year, in "football terms" it's sod all money. If there is another wage cap he would be exempt from it as wouldn't be in our "squad".
It's 100% the right thing to do. Especially for our 2nd longest serving player and one that has played nearly every game this season.
Depends on how long he’s out for (it sounds like a less serious version of the previous injury so maybe 3-6 months rather than the 8-9 last time?) and whether Nigel was planning to keep him prior to this news.
There’s no room for sentiment in football. Thomas would not take kindly to paying someone a pity wage. Come and use our facilities for your recovery, sure. But let’s only be offering contracts to players that are actually in Nigel’s plan.
It wouldn't be a pity wage though. JFC could well be voted player of the season and have more to offer us. It does also make the club more attractive to players and ultimately we (us fans) should be more generous to Taylor and Solly if we don't think we should do this.
I know I'm in the minority here - he's a decent player and will win POTY for good reason but I was hoping he wouldn't be first choice next season after the rebuild. I think he gets a lot of leeway from our fans because he's a bit of a local lad that the fans can identify with and he gets stuck in which helps.
The numbers are such that giving JFC another year will cost the club $200-250k at a rough guess. The decision makers at the club will have to weigh up the pros and cons and decide if spending that amount of money will be worth it if he can only play half a season. If they make that call, I will support it.
I don't get what bit of this people don't get. You don't just need 1st choices!
If he hadn't been injured in 18/19 he would have still played over 30 games. Despite being not 1st choice. He would have been behind Cullen and Beilek. So were Lapslie and Reeves. Guess what those 2 played over 40 games between them!
You need at least 6 center mids. You aren't getting 5 better than JFC, not in league 1.
This is a league 1 rebuild. We aren't buying the man city team.
Plus what's 200k when your talking about 10s of millions of quid?
That will always happen whether we offer JFC a contract extension here or not. Oh I wasn’t going to go crunching into that tackle but wait a minute I just remembered they gave Jake that contract when he got hurt.
Of course that would cross some players' minds. Not in the way you express it, but before a game they may say to themselves, I'll go for 50/50s but not 40/60s because if the worst happened I know the club won't support me and I'll be buggered. What players will think is part of management and if they know you are a club that does right by its players it will be of benefit in the long run.
I imagine he won't get a new contract with us if injured as back to back ACLs is bit of a risk, but we may take it.
Is it really a risk, giving him another year, in "football terms" it's sod all money. If there is another wage cap he would be exempt from it as wouldn't be in our "squad".
It's 100% the right thing to do. Especially for our 2nd longest serving player and one that has played nearly every game this season.
Depends on how long he’s out for (it sounds like a less serious version of the previous injury so maybe 3-6 months rather than the 8-9 last time?) and whether Nigel was planning to keep him prior to this news.
There’s no room for sentiment in football. Thomas would not take kindly to paying someone a pity wage. Come and use our facilities for your recovery, sure. But let’s only be offering contracts to players that are actually in Nigel’s plan.
It wouldn't be a pity wage though. JFC could well be voted player of the season and have more to offer us. It does also make the club more attractive to players and ultimately we (us fans) should be more generous to Taylor and Solly if we don't think we should do this.
I know I'm in the minority here - he's a decent player and will win POTY for good reason but I was hoping he wouldn't be first choice next season after the rebuild. I think he gets a lot of leeway from our fans because he's a bit of a local lad that the fans can identify with and he gets stuck in which helps.
The numbers are such that giving JFC another year will cost the club $200-250k at a rough guess. The decision makers at the club will have to weigh up the pros and cons and decide if spending that amount of money will be worth it if he can only play half a season. If they make that call, I will support it.
I don't get what bit of this people don't get. You don't just need 1st choices!
If he hadn't been injured in 18/19 he would have still played over 30 games. Despite being not 1st choice. He would have been behind Cullen and Beilek. So were Lapslie and Reeves. Guess what those 2 played over 40 games between them!
You need at least 6 center mids. You aren't getting 5 better than JFC, not in league 1.
This is a league 1 rebuild. We aren't buying the man city team.
Plus what's 200k when your talking about 10s of millions of quid?
No we definitely do need more than just a first XI but if he's going to be injured / back-up when healthy, that's an expensive wage to carry.
It's because we aren't buying the Man City team that we need to be careful. We can't spent 5k per week on six midfielders after spending 48k p/w (wage cap) total for the duration of the prior season. Wage cap won't exist for next year but I'm sure we won't let the wage bill explode. Spending 40-50% of the budget on six players that all play the same position would be madness.
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Had a decent season, and one week before the end he gets an ACL injury.
When it was announced we had a fully fit squad two weeks ago you knew that trouble was ahead. Wasn't true because Washington had to be eased back into the team and the ongoing Chuks Aneke adventure.
Not sure how the politics plays out if your contract runs out at the end of June and you will only be fit for selection around March 22. Tear or Rupture will determine the rehabilitation process and length.
Robbie Savage said he never even had a pulled hamstring in his long career yet Jake has had two ACL.
If Jake wins the POTY ( I voted for Chuks as he influences the game the most in his truncated time on the field) it will give JFC a boost in his recovery whether with Cafc of another club after his recovery.
What a nightmare end to his best season with us so far.
I’m playing football on Monday against his close mates. Assuming they’re playing I’ll ask after him and send our regards. I’ll tell them to mention this thread so he can take a look if he wants too.
Would be interesting to know why JFC had not already signed an extension though - i.e his choice or ours.
There’s no room for sentiment in football. Thomas would not take kindly to paying someone a pity wage. Come and use our facilities for your recovery, sure. But let’s only be offering contracts to players that are actually in Nigel’s plan.
The numbers are such that giving JFC another year will cost the club $200-250k at a rough guess. The decision makers at the club will have to weigh up the pros and cons and decide if spending that amount of money will be worth it if he can only play half a season. If they make that call, I will support it.
I think all our players should do precisely nothing for the duration of their contracts, because of the risk of injury.
If he hadn't been injured in 18/19 he would have still played over 30 games. Despite being not 1st choice. He would have been behind Cullen and Beilek. So were Lapslie and Reeves. Guess what those 2 played over 40 games between them!
You need at least 6 center mids. You aren't getting 5 better than JFC, not in league 1.
This is a league 1 rebuild. We aren't buying the man city team.
Plus what's 200k when your talking about 10s of millions of quid?
It's because we aren't buying the Man City team that we need to be careful. We can't spent 5k per week on six midfielders after spending 48k p/w (wage cap) total for the duration of the prior season. Wage cap won't exist for next year but I'm sure we won't let the wage bill explode. Spending 40-50% of the budget on six players that all play the same position would be madness.